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07-29-2013 07:50 PMQjiggyLogistics is another word for analyzing. Very often i find many people say that they are "best suited" for this job. Even find some extroverts doing this role because the stress can be low. I don't have much experience in pure logistic, and the analyzing that i do on my previous job has gone un-noticed and invalued. the story of an introvert.
however, i recently switched careers into sales within financial industry. oh boi am i in a wrong field lol. but i am focusing on the logical part of the sale and i'm convinced that intj can do well in anything the mind puts its focus onto. i have to say, its been quite a wild ride so far. the benefit that i can speak off is: doing something new each day; trying to find a system for my day-to-day activities (extremely difficult to do in a sales job); and managing the person's needs to match with what makes sense to me. And ofcourse, educate the client as to why i made my recommendation and ask for suggestion if they see a better way. i've been on my own for 5 months, so far i'm surviving. but i feel that i am just getting started...
my previous work was in grocery retail, serving as a customer service leader and in management role. at that job, i found the systematic ways of doing things better; as long as the mind focuses on that need. hope this helps
03-19-2013 09:43 AMzippikayHi Moniker9, excuse me for not answering earlier but no, I did not end up going in that direction; from my experience it seems that certifications like cpa, cfa, cfe would hold more value than the degree (obviously to get the certification I would need degree first) so I am actively pursuing one of those.
03-12-2013 01:31 AMcomunaziHmmm, I’ve had bad experiences with torrenting. Almost got kicked out of college for it and it seemed like many of the files I downloaded either didn’t download right or were purposely corrupted prior to uploading. I could be listening to chapter 1 and then the audio would skip to chapter 4. However, I haven’t heard of either of those sites though. I’ll have to look into them. Hope their more reliable that ThePireateBay.se. Thank you!
03-11-2013 07:28 PMElstonGunnThere's the internal side of production, and the external side of logistics. I took classes in both, mostly with a manufacturing bent to them. Part of the reason I chose it as my major was because it was in the "Strategy and Operations" department at my school, and there was no Strategy major (which is what I would have preferred). So I looked at the Operations discipline as being the core thing that a company does, as opposed to finance or marketing or whatever.
After graduating, I got a job in sourcing components for new products. I dislike it intensely, but that's more due to the company and industry (banal consumer products) that I'm in, rather than the nature of the job itself. I think there's potential for interesting work in the field-- I live right on the US-Canada border, and there's a lot of freight crossing there. Something like that, or maybe for something like the railroads or Fed Ex could be an interesting puzzle to figure out. Like how to coordinate trips so that you're never sending a truck full of air somewhere. INTJs like puzzles, right?
That's one of the intrinsic things that I dislike about my current job-- it's very rare that I'm presented with a problem where I don't know the answer before I start working on it. It's basically just "Find a supplier for parts A, B, and C, and get them here so that we can ship the final product by X date at Y cost." There's very little variation to it, so after about a month of this, I got bored.
Is there anything specific that you'd like to know? I'd be happy to complain more about my job under the guise of being helpful.
03-04-2013 09:41 PMShadizarOnly allowed 3000 characters??? I was 336 too long, here's the rest...
Being a tradesman, isn't a job, it's a lifestyle. Trades are set up the way they are, because of what they do.
Helper - you're a piss-ant, you know nothing, not interested in responsibility, and generally cost the Journeyman money.
Apprentice - you're a slave, but you got brains and drive, you look for responsibility, money will come later.
Journeyman - you made it, you can work on your own, or with a partner, or for a company. It's your name on the job, you get the lion's share of the earnings, you can hire helpers and/or train apprentices now. If work should run out, you pick up the phone book, and call around, then you journey to where the work is.
Master - you were too fucking stupid to get out of the trade when you should have, you body is borderline broken. You can still do some jobs, but your value (to yourself or anyone else) is in teaching apprentices at school the theory and correcting some bad habits, while introducing them to rare or new materials.
Legend - one day some three or four hundred years from now, you may be remembered for some obscure piece of junk tool or concept you invented which is displayed in some little known museum fighting for it's right not to be torn down for parking space.
03-04-2013 09:40 PMShadizarFigures. All the hype about higher education, and no one teaches the ramifications of the courses available.
Ok, the first thing you need to learn, is your schooling and straight A's are meaningless; you are a fucking tool. The sooner you understand that the 30+yo grade 10 C- dropout knows more than you, the faster you'll learn. And go buy a standard tape measure; you may have been good at math, but math is metric, and everyone's a cluster-fuck when presented an imperial tape; I'm talking about yards, feet, inches, 1/2 inches, 1/4 inches, 1/8 inches, etc; knowing how to read this tape, will open all trade doors; a 25 foot Stanley is the best bang for your buck. Be ready to dump $100's into tools, and don't be cheap about it, your journeyman says "these brand names, and order these specialties" you follow his advice; there's a reason Black&Decker sits by the paint section, that's where women can find them, because men are in the tool section, looking at actual tools.
That said, the next step is in choosing which trade you want to get into. Several trades have advancement outs, geared to catering to smarty-pants, such as yourself. Electrician for instance, goes hand-n-hand with communications. Many of the trades are physically demanding; even if you are already physically fit, and go to the gym and blah blah, you're gonna hurt like you never have before, and you're gonna look like a pussy in front guys who look horribly out of shape, but are running circles around you. If you want to apprentice, I suggest you look into it, as it requires schooling too; usually about a month per year for 3-5 years; not critically necessary, but you get a red seal, which means companies from abroad become available to you, such as the Hotel Dubai and the Palm Tree Islands. If you want to get into welding, (good money), consider getting a diving ticket as well (bigger money, no home life though, because you'll be busy traipsing around the world). Seriously weight the cost/benefit of going contractor, or union.
I'll let you digest that, feel free to ask anything else.
03-03-2013 07:36 PMShadizarWhat are you in college for?
If the answer is "to be a tradesman", you've wasted your money; probably due to that "edjumakayshun ekals munees" scam. The trades are historically an on-the-job-training career; roughly about three years of starving as you learn a few critical tricks-of-the-trade. The only reason a tradesman "needs" college, is to be a general supervisor; in which case, the grunts will know for more than you anyhow, due to their hands-on experience.
If the answer is "something else, but I want to gain experience of being a real man", you're just gonna piss everyone off. Tradesmen are men who work for a living, they aren't there to babysit you, you pull your weight, or stay the fuck out of the way. My best advise for this, the advise I've given every helper I've had, "don't think of any job as just a job, think of it as a career, because you may just get stuck with it for five or more years, you may as well get good at it."
It's a critical question which needs answering. At best, you'll be an educated idiot; and the sooner you come to terms with that, the sooner you'll learn what there is to actually learn. And at worse, you'll be passing through like an eager puppy under foot.
I await your answer.
02-09-2013 02:47 AMUrshulgiI'm teaching English in Moscow, Russia. It's a good gig at the moment, been here a little over two years. I'm returning home this summer though to start retraining as a welder though I think, as teaching English is getting a bit boring. If you want to live overseas for a few years though, I'd definitely recommend it.
02-06-2013 03:40 PMRBMI had limited field experience in my locale. Due, in part, to a housing bust when I graduated, being old and being INTJ
Having said that, I'd still recommend going into it if you have any interest, at all.
Typical format for new employees is to break them in via the installation department of the company. But that's hardly a hard 'n fast rule.
My field experience was several years as a 'Clean 'N Check' tech for a sole proprietor/owner. He had a customer list he had accumulated in his 20 years as sales rep. He co-started one company and worked in sales for another.
When I met him he was a few years post-stroke that landed him in a wheel-chair and limited hand use. His physical limitations meant he could do phone work and he had a bit of a silver tongue so sales was a good fit for him.
It was great for me dealing with customers directly, to the extent I had to. My locale is a Zone 5 hardiness rating, which is forced air/air conditioning almost universally systems wise. Heating is primarily Nat. Gas with some Electric. Most my customers were single family residences with an occasional town home thrown in.
I'm a recovering alcoholic so that put me at a disadvantage socially. Lots of sensors. How that plays out depends of the culture/s you service or work with.
I'm from central america, I have a near gifted IQ (doesn't mean anything, I'm dumb in many ways) english is not my first language, but reading the forums... most of the times I thank God I wasn't born on the US... "sorry, America". Nice thread, actually I often find these facts very sad so don't think I'm making fun of your thread, my comment has no sarcasm... I shared trips around the area with "gringos".... to me it's no problem if someone knows, doesn't know or has no clue.... the problem is most of them think they know it all, they can do it all.... and that's pure arrogance.... sometimes it's funny, most of times it's a real shame
09-12-2011 09:44 PMsevansThe origin story of Rugrats, Rugrascals, and the story of Squidward's Suicide. Horrifying, imagining that these are shows meant for kids. The wording was so powerful I was able to visualize exactly what the images would look like. In one of those there is a pic that ruined Fosters Home for Imaginary Friends for me as well.
08-26-2011 02:07 PMIjzHehehe, no-one asked you to visit Singapore, what a shame
I did the whole yes-man routine as well, right after reading the book. Didn't go on any (far) trips either or get beat up or anything like that. It did made me enter the online dating game and take an NLP course. It definitely changed my life.
I bought 'Friends like these" by Danny Wallace, but never finished it. I did watch the "How to Start your own Country" series, which was great. I find him a fascinating figure, he's a bit odd but charismatic and funny nontheless. I find him an inspiration and like his message of kindness and loveliness.
You heard of Derren Brown?
08-25-2011 02:34 PMIjzThanks! Sorry about the delayed repsonse, I haven't visited the forum in a long time.
I indeed read the book, I thought it was awesome, and so funny. It was also a life changer for me. Showed me that I was sitting on my arse too much and partially wasting my life. Did you read it? Nice avatar text btw, heh.
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