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Gelatinous Pope

Gay Pride "Don't Shove It In Our Face."

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"Don't shove it in our face," is something I've heard multiple times recently and many times in the past on the subject of 'gay pride' events. It got me wondering. I've never actually seen anyone literally shove their junk in someone's face, and I've been to some of these events, unlike most of the people I hear this from, who I figure are expressing an opinion absorbed from their peers rather that direct experience.

For example, There are far greater beerfests, art/music festivals done in public in my area (Portland, OR), yet I've never ever heard anyone say, "Don't shove your beer in our face," even from people who don't drink.

So why the resistance to gay events in particular, while others are accepted? One obvious answer homophobia, though I also suspect it has to do with a kind of puritan fear of nudity and human sexuality in general, the idea of sin. However, sex and sexuality is a prominent feature in our media and is very, "in our face," yet I've almost never heard someone say that about TV. It is particularly homosexuality that needs to be tucked away, while heterosexuality is to a great degree allowed in public. So it seems the reason is more homophobia in particular than just a fear of sex in general.

The ironic part about this whole situation is the only reason a gay pride event exists is to counter its resistance. If it were not for homophobia, there would be no grand gay pride events in the street, it would just be on tv like everything else.

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I think, that like third wave feminism, some gays have taken it upon themselves to become so nonconformist that their behavior can be seen as bizarre or disturbing to folks with more traditional sensibilities. Obviously, people's beliefs exist on a spectrum.

The people who are completely against the concept of homosexuality wouldn't say something like that. Those people are out somewhere with a sign reading "all gays are going to hell." 

I think the kinds of people that would say "don't shove it in our faces" exist between the wholly intolerant and the indifferent moderates. They are uncomfortable with the idea of homosexuality, but would likely be willing to see traditionally masculine men in normal relationships living quiet lives under the radar.

I don't think it's explicit homophobia. I think it would be much easier for gay men to integrate into society if they did fall into hetero-like relationships. I think they will, too, with time. 

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1 hour ago, Gelatinous Pope said:

However, sex and sexuality is a prominent feature in our media and is very, "in our face," yet I've almost never heard someone say that about TV.

That just shows the type of circles you run in. Please login or register to see this link. There's also the fact that there's a significant difference between media and public events. If you think that no parents would be concerned about their kids seeing Please login or register to see this link. , if it was at the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade and for women, you live in a bubble.

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Screw all human pride.

Bring it on.

/Gets overrun by weird furries.

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30 minutes ago, Melchizedek said:

If you think that no parents would be concerned about their kids seeing Please login or register to see this link. , if it was at the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade and for women, you live in a bubble.

I hope said parents never attend a water park, beach, or *gasp* watch the summer Olympics with their delicate little flowers.

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2 hours ago, Gelatinous Pope said:

yet I've never ever heard anyone say, "Don't shove your beer in our face," even from people who don't drink.

 

1 hour ago, vedera said:

I think the kinds of people that would say "don't shove it in our faces" exist between the wholly intolerant and the indifferent moderates. They are uncomfortable with the idea of homosexuality, but would likely be willing to see traditionally masculine men in normal relationships living quiet lives under the radar.

Uh-huh.

It's more like this in some of the moderate crowd's (crowds'?) minds:

Gay festival equals thoughts of poop

Beer festival does not equal thoughts of poop

     and regarding kids,

Gay equals a harder life

Gay likely equals my genetic chain comes to a halt

That is what goes on in people's minds

Also, the parents I work with do not want their kids to be gay. They just don't. That is reality. They tell me so, quietly; I get this information because I'm helping raise their kids and we make choices about TV shows and toys. I've only heard one parent volunteer that she wouldn't care, and that was the heroin-addicted mom.

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1 minute ago, vertebrate said:

 

 

Uh-huh.

It's more like this in some of the moderate crowd's (crowds'?) minds:

Gay festival equals thoughts of poop

Beer festival does not equal thoughts of poop

     and regarding kids,

Gay equals a harder life

Gay likely equals my genetic chain comes to a halt

That is what goes on in people's minds

Also, the parents I work with do not want their kids to be gay. They just don't. That is reality. They tell me so, quietly; I get this information because I'm helping raise their kids and we make choices about TV shows and toys. I've only heard one parent volunteer that she wouldn't care, and that was the heroin-addicted mom.

I don't disagree. My parents were two of them. 

And yet, I have hope. For them and people like them. 

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How many parades about heterosexual sex have you attended?

 

There is a line of thinking that sex isn't something to be going on about in public, period.

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I'm fine with gay parades and support their right to do so but opt not to attend since PDA and overt displays of sexuality aren't entertaining to me. Guys in BDSM gear kinda' gross me out, regardless of their sexuality.

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5 minutes ago, Distance said:

I'm fine with gay parades and support their right to do so but opt not to attend since PDA and overt displays of sexuality aren't entertaining to me. Guys in BDSM gear kinda' gross me out, regardless of their sexuality.

Ditto. Although, I think it's much more controversial for me to hold that view than it is for you. :laugh: 

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4 hours ago, eagleseven said:

I hope said parents never attend a water park, beach, or *gasp* watch the summer Olympics with their delicate little flowers.

 

People in the Olympics are fit and look good in underwear. But if some old short-fat-dude is walking down the city streets in soiled underwear then that's not appropriate, is it?

I can extend this to many people who now take part in some parades, because they just don't look very good and they do inappropriate things.

Plus, why is it necessary to sexualize it to such a degree? Unless of course they think being gay is about being overtly sexual. Which, I'm not sure it is.

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1 hour ago, vertebrate said:

Also, the parents I work with do not want their kids to be gay. They just don't. That is reality. They tell me so, quietly; I get this information because I'm helping raise their kids and we make choices about TV shows and toys. I've only heard one parent volunteer that she wouldn't care, and that was the heroin-addicted mom.

i wouldn't care.  i've talked openly to my children about sexuality and gender for years, in part because i wanted to normalize a variety of people/lifestyles to them, in part because i wanted to lessen any difficulty should one of them realize they are gay or etc.  i'm addicted to nicotine and caffeine.

i find it odd to think there might still exist a significant number of parents who fear their children might become gay by exposure.

i also think most people have challenges in their lives.  might homosexuality present additional challenges?  sure.  so does autism.  or difficulty with numbers.  or unusually large feet.  whatever.  easy lives are for the lucky and the very laid-back.  everyone else will have struggles.

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On a related note, today I saw fresh footage in from Turkey where the Police were water cannonning gay pride event participants that were holding up rainbow flags.

To the OP, I just don't need to see everybody's naked ass and I'm just leaving it there. But I'm fine with the events, we have a major one in Toronto every year, brings in tons of money, if you don't like it do what everybody else does and don't go. It's not in my face if I'm not there. Dafuq is more simple than that?

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13 minutes ago, elsdfr said:

 

People in the Olympics are fit and look good in underwear. But if some old short-fat-dude is walking down the city streets in soiled underwear then that's not appropriate, is it?

I can extend this to many people who now take place in some parades because they just don't look very good.

Plus why is it so necessary to sexualize to such a degree. Unless of course being gay is all about being overtly 'sexual'.

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Is being a football fan all about overt sexuality?

 
 
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28 minutes ago, Paul Siraisi said:

How many parades about heterosexual sex have you attended?

 

There is a line of thinking that sex isn't something to be going on about in public, period.

Which is why the average American spends $26k on a public celebration of their heterosexual sex partner of choice?

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14 minutes ago, vedera said:

Ditto. Although, I think it's much more controversial for me to hold that view than it is for you. :laugh: 

;D

Yeah but you support the underlying intent of normalisation, same as I do. 

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8 minutes ago, eagleseven said:

Is being a football fan all about overt sexuality?

You can watch football without looking at cheerleaders. Just as someone should be able to go to a gay parade without having to see 10 inch dildos and people dry-humping. No big deal really, just something that probably puts a lot of people off.

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9 minutes ago, elsdfr said:

You can watch football without looking at cheerleaders. Just as someone should be able to go to a gay parade without having to see 10 inch dildos and people dry-humping. No big deal really, just something that probably puts a lot of people off.

You should check out our Pride, one of the biggest in the country.

 

It's mostly churches and local companies. Granny waving rainbow flags with crosses.

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I've heard more people complain about the very existence of a gay pride than about it being too sexual. Their message is «don't shove your sexual orientation in our face, it's a private matter», and it is coming from the sort of whiners who seriously ask why there isn't an hetero-pride, or the hypocrites who are totally oblivious about the fact that they DO display their sexual orientation in a public manner. It's not hateful-homophobia, just stupid-homophobia.

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15 hours ago, Gelatinous Pope said:

There are far greater beerfests, art/music festivals done in public in my area (Portland, OR), yet I've never ever heard anyone say, "Don't shove your beer in our face," even from people who don't drink.

What a good point this is I've never thought about it this way. Whether you're publicly expressing interest in beer or publicly expressing interest in other men, why should it make any difference? After all, an interest is just an interest. 

This is a perfectly valid train of thought and there's no good way to "argue against" this assertion without citing a personal preference of mine; I find public displays of overt sexuality unwelcoming. And because E7 brought it up, overt sexuality has also been one of my many criticisms against American football (though even I must admit, I would find a male only cheer leading squad quite comical because I can only imagine how an American crowd would react).

So I stand corrected... barring exceptions like Bruno which crack me up like none other, in general I find overt displays of sexuality unwelcoming. If it was up to me all forms of public displays of affection would be banned (or at least limited) regardless of sexuality. 

With my grievance of overt sexuality out in the open, the fact remains that heterosexuals don't need to go parading around telling everyone about how straight they are, and the same can't be said about gays. It's 2017 and no one cares what consenting adults want to do in their free time, and yet to this day gays still need to turn it into a public proclamation. Whether she wants to talk about her boy friend or wants to talk about her girlfriend, valedictorian speeches are not the time or place, and it's sickening to think that the liberal media would want to turn her publicly proclaimed sexuality into a news story.  Please login or register to see this link.  

If this was just an isolated incident I wouldn't be mentioning it but there are many similar examples and the premise undermines a fundamental principle that I stand firmly by; whatever your preferences are, enjoy the companionship of your romantic partner in your home and don't try to turn it into a parade. 

12 hours ago, Paul Siraisi said:

There is a line of thinking that sex isn't something to be going on about in public, period.

Amen. At the end of the day, after it's all said and done, people have a right to be overtly sexual, just as people have the right to be critical of this overt sexuality.

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5 hours ago, Gelatinous Pope said:

I've never actually seen anyone literally shove their junk in someone's face,

I have. Not at a gay pride event. Can't say I've really been to them. I don't usually go to parades.

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People think some things are "normal" and others are not. The things they think of as abnormal they don't really want to associate with. More to the point, they don't want their kids to experience/associate with for fear they will inadvertently start to think that behavior is normal. The more they see it.

People I think are more accepting of things they think are weird when they don't have their children in tow.

Beer fests and art/music fests are considered normal. Nobody is afraid of their kids seeing beer or music.

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I don't find anything wrong with pride parades or the overt sexuality sometimes seen, though I do understand that other people have more delicate sensibilities about things like this. That's all fine and good, and they can clutch their pearls about it all they want. The easiest solution is to just avoid pride parades if you don't like them. Nobody is marching you to them at gunpoint. 

As for the complaints about the lack of heterosexual equivalents, the expression of overt heterosexuality can be found almost anywhere you look. When sexuality is shown in ads, movies, music, TV, porn, fashion, etc. etc. etc. (which is very often), the vast majority of it is catered towards heterosexual sensibilities and audiences. There's absolutely no shortage of celebration and expression of heterosexuality, and it in fact saturates our culture so much that that many of us heteros probably don't notice it more is because it's so normalized and commonplace. If gay people want to have a parade here and there to express their sexuality, it seems more than reasonable to me. 

If people are arguing against public expression of sexuality, in general... well, you'd best point your puritan sensibilities towards the behemoth of heterosexuality being depicted everywhere. Pride parades are small potatoes in comparison.

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I don't really get it myself. Who are you targeting with the prides? It does not target the general public.

For hetero people who have nothing against gays - they don't really care, at most they can be annoyed at the traffic jam.

For hetero people who are homophobic - that will better serve them to radicalize.

The only potential benefit is to the homosexuals who might get some psychological thrill out of it - like publicly coming out of the closet, celebrating their particularities with similar folks.

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I think the parades work in reverse of what's intended. Flaunting one's sexuality, of whatever type, just seems immature. It's like the mom at work yesterday with the extremely low-cut tight t-shirt and breasts covered with tattoos, around her conservative parents and her kids. Very in-your-face. It's hard to respect that. I'm not against bodies, people can dress how they want and have parades if they want, but it's like they're telegraphing their immaturity. 

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14 hours ago, vedera said:

I think it would be much easier for gay men to integrate into society if they did fall into hetero-like relationships. I think they will, too, with time. 

I met homosexual men in exactly those types of relationships, 25 years ago.

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