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athenian200

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  1. I have found that these kind of discussions happen along certain lines. INFJs usually believe INFJ is more similar to INTJ, while INTJs believe INTJ is more similar to ENTJ. ENTJs, however, often don't share that view, and see INTJs and INFJs as similar. ENFJs, in contrast... appear to see ENTJs and INTJs as similar, and see ENFJ and INFJ as most similar. Anyway, what I believe is that INFJ and INTJ start off at the same place, and diverge later in life. This is a conclusion I came to while talking to an INTJ who was typed as ENTJ. He realized that he had always had Ni, that it was his favorite function, and in fact he took it for granted. He taught himself confidence (and Te) later in life, and identified with it so strongly that he typed ENTJ because that was what he was trying to be. When we contrasted our life stories, we saw that we were similar as children, but that I developed a sense of shame/empathy (I was oblivious to other people's feelings before), and he developed confidence/competence (He was timid before). It was at that point that we became different. He also admitted to being slightly disgusted at having so much in common with me, because it forced him to imagine himself without that confidence, and he really hated to remember the person he was before he developed it. I don't know if this anecdote applies universally, but I can imagine it explaining a lot of the distance. INFJs may sometimes envy an INTJs confidence, but an INTJ will never envy an INFJs shame. Meanwhile, an ENTJ would tend to see both types as somewhat lost in their heads and oddly subjective. Also, I think it's possible that INFJs are more likely to develop Ti than INTJs are to develop Fi. Society expects a certain degree of logic, but you can get away with relying on pragmatism and not developing morals. In the end, I think that INTJs are more similar to INFJs in terms of underlying nature and perspectives on life, but more similar to ENTJ in terms of their values/ideals. The similarity between INTJ and INFJ is on a more unconscious, instinctive level... while that between INTJ and ENTJ is on a more conscious and rational level. But there are any number of ways to look at this, in the end.
  2. You and my enemies both. Those people from the Zelda place are still turning others against me. There's a very good chance I won't be able to stick around here long. I'm a little uncomfortable with that friend of yours... he found me on Facebook, and that's a big part of why I shut the site down.

    I'm actually just wrapping up some loose ends here, asking a few final research questions and saying goodbye to some people I haven't spoken to in a while. After I'm done here, I can't use any of the sites I've frequented for the past 8 years. I have to burn all those bridges because I pissed off the wrong people.

    It isn't your fault. I screwed up, my community was doomed before you found it. I'm no leader, and probably not a very good person either.

  3. And I'm sorry for sending two messages in a row, but... There's an IRC channel I was wondering if you would like to check out. It's #zelda on irc.badnik.net, but we don't talk about Zelda much. It's just a casual hangout like #Sociology was, I guess. I'm Link again there...

  4. Well, to be completely honest, I was searching for anywhere you were active this year because I hated losing contact like that.

  5. I didn't expect to see you here, LOL. Sure, why not?

    So, what brings you to INTJ forum?

  6. Hey. It's Link from Arcanadigm. I apologize for my behavior that I feel led to its demise. Can we be friends here?

  7. Is it... INFJ, because they share Ni as a dominant function? ENTJ, because they use Ni and Te, but with different emphasis? ENTP, because they share the N-T-F-S function order, but with all functions in opposite orientation? INTP, because you believe J/P is the least important dichotomy? ISTJ, because you see Ni and Si as similar enough that the ITJ pattern is most important? ENFP, because they have dominant Intuition paired with Fi/Te? ISFP, because they have an Ni/Fi inner world and Se/Te outer world?
  8. These songs are all taken from Luca Turilli's Dreamquest, and I've been listening to them a lot over the past few days. Something about them is definitely fascinating to me. Virus ET COGITO ERGO SUM ET COGITO ERGO SUM Forgotten soul Angel of stone Guardian of electric moonlight You saw that seed Raping the rain Causing the neural infection Myst of secret heavens Save my world They act and think Caught in weird dreams Victims of viral abstraction Fading away Denying the phi Primary code of existence Star of cosmic ocean Breath my lost soul LOST IN SILENT GREY EMOTION ON THE ENDLESS MORTAL WAY TO NOWHERE EMPTY VISION DEADLY SADNESS JUST THE FROZEN TEARS OF FALLING ANGEL VIRUS ET COGITO ERGO SUM ET COGITO ERGO SUM Mournings of dawn Give me the strength To search the inner reflection There where still pure The child feels so sure No virus can corrupt the truth Star of cosmic ocean Breath my lost soul LOST IN SILENT GREY EMOTION ON THE ENDLESS MORTAL WAY TO NOWHERE EMPTY VISION DEADLY SADNESS JUST THE FROZEN TEARS OF FALLING ANGEL VIRUS Lost Horizons Heavenly entities Enlight me and my dreams To bring back memories Innocence, energy Intersection, revelation One lost brain for a new heart A new heart ANOTHER LIFE BACK TO THAT TIME AGE OF NO LIES JUST NAKED TRUTH AT THE MIRROR DEEP INNER SIGHT EMBRACE YOUR CHILD DARE TO REMIND WHERE LIE THE WIDE LOST HORIZONS TRY Still awake I can be At the breath of the spring Just a soul, just one name Endless love, endless fate Only hope for mind's infection Life's depression, moral lies Moral lies ANOTHER LIFE BACK TO THAT TIME AGE OF NO LIES JUST NAKED TRUTH AT THE MIRROR DEEP INNER SIGHT EMBRACE YOUR CHILD DARE TO REMIND WHERE LIE THE WIDE LOST HORIZONS TRY THE SIN OF COSMIC DARKNESS ON THE SEA OF DESTINIES FORGOTTEN FROZEN STAR NOW RISE AND BRING WITH YOU MY SECRET WHAT I HIDE BEHIND THE MASK OF DARK FEAR FOR A THOUSAND DYING SUNS I am learning to live here Found myself on this planet Coming from life, going to death Not knowing any single answer Some choices, it seems Are just divine illusions But one thing I am sure of There's no way to deny myself DARE TO FACE THE SIN OF COSMIC DARKNESS ON THE SEA OF DESTINIES FORGOTTEN FROZEN STAR NOW RISE AND BRING WITH YOU MY SECRET WHAT I HIDE BEHIND THE MASK OF DARK FEAR FOR A THOUSAND DYING SUNS Love, hate, good or evil Refractions of the same source Don't deny your fragments Don't lose the cosmic path to nowhere DARE TO FACE THE SIN OF COSMIC DARKNESS ON THE SEA OF DESTINIES FORGOTTEN FROZEN STAR NOW RISE AND BRING WITH YOU MY SECRET WHAT I HIDE BEHIND THE MASK OF DARK FEAR FOR A THOUSAND DYING SUNS
  9. Luca Turilli - Virus ET COGITO ERGO SUM ET COGITO ERGO SUM Forgotten soul Angel of stone Guardian of electric moonlight You saw that seed Raping the rain Causing the neural infection Myst of secret heavens Save my world They act and think Caught in weird dreams Victims of viral abstraction Fading away Denying the phi Primary code of existence Star of cosmic ocean Breath my lost soul LOST IN SILENT GREY EMOTION ON THE ENDLESS MORTAL WAY TO NOWHERE EMPTY VISION DEADLY SADNESS JUST THE FROZEN TEARS OF FALLING ANGELS VIRUS ET COGITO ERGO SUM ET COGITO ERGO SUM Mournings of dawn Give me the strength To search the inner reflection There where still pure The child feels so sure No virus can corrupt the truth Star of cosmic ocean Breath my lost soul LOST IN SILENT GREY EMOTION ON THE ENDLESS MORTAL WAY TO NOWHERE EMPTY VISION DEADLY SADNESS JUST THE FROZEN TEARS OF FALLING ANGELS VIRUS
  10. Red rose, so attractive Bleeding broken feelings In this shade of hate Your colour turns to black New dawn enlight my wrong thoughts Make blind my weakness Align the astral conscience To my old strength Outside, no ways need to be found Change of visual Inside, find the deepest contact With your soul A face that hides a secret Dark lying mirror An always hidden whisper Revealing truth SENSATION, EMOTION DEEP FEELING, TRUE DEVOTION SUPREME LOVE, SUPREME HATE DIVINE CHOICE FOR A NEW FATE Symptoms of viral illness Hard to challenge Closed eyes tired to see the Red rose turning black A never-ending try To escape myself While there still lies the mirror And something more SENSATION, EMOTION DEEP FEELING, TRUE DEVOTION SUPREME LOVE, SUPREME HATE DIVINE CHOICE FOR A NEW FATE
  11. I seem to end up having a lot of conversations like this with Kitsu... they always go like this, and usually end with me unsure how I helped him without knowing to code programs, and him saying that he can't get a clear picture of the problem without me. What psychological functions do you see at work here? I think this could be an interesting analysis of thought processes. It seems like we work well together because each of us can do something well that the other can't, but both of these qualities are required for effective programming. What do you make of this exchange? athenian200: I figured out what's wrong with the links... the actual thread ids are different athenian200: For one of the posts, it's really 417, but it's trying to link to 1046, athenian200: Otherwise the link is formatted perfectly. Kitsu:Problem is it's getting the ids from POSTS, not threads. Kitsu:So that's the post id, not the threadid. athenian200:Oh. How do you tell it to get the threadid instead of the postid? Kitsu:That's what I researching, I'm thinking I'll need to select from two different tables, and then someone get the title via the thread id of the other. athenian200: I can get the title of the thread for you, if you tell me what to reference it against. athenian200: I can go into phpmyadmin and look it up, I guess. athenian200: If both of us are in there at once, we can look at both tables at the same time. athenian200: If there's some reason that's needed. Kitsu:The tables are "post" and "thread", under _vb. athenian200: Right, I thought so. athenian200: There's a post in table "Post" with a postid of 40. Correlates to threadid 10. Matches up in table "Thread" revealing the title to be "Computer Spec Thread." athenian200: I didn't know which one you wanted me to get. athenian200: So I just picked one at random. athenian200: But that's an example of what you need me to do, right? athenian200: You give me an id of some kind, and then I tell you what's in the table? Kitsu:Well that's what the computer needs to do. athenian200: Oh. Kitsu:I need to write some code that will match them up. athenian200:[Today 02:21:48] Kitsu: That's what I researching, I'm thinking I'll need to select from two different tables, and then someone get the title via the thread id of the other. Kitsu:Oh wow I typed "someone" instead of "somehow". athenian200: Yeah, so I interpreted your sentence as meaning that I should go into the database and do that. athenian200: You'd give me a threadid, and then I'd look it up in the table or something. athenian200: Wasn't sure what was going on, thought maybe the data was dynamic and you needed one person on each table or something, and the computer wasn't fetching it right. athenian200: And I figured it was static, so was a bit unsure what to do with that. athenian200: But just thought, "Well, that's not hard, I can look up those tables." athenian200: If you can get the computer to do that for me, though, I'd appreciate it. It took me about 10 seconds to look it up, and another 10 seconds to serve the answer. I think the computer could speed that up. athenian200: xD athenian200: If I do this enough times, though, I might be able to cut that time in half and do the whole thing in 10 seconds. Kitsu:Haha, yeah. athenian200: At least I proved that I understand how the tables work. athenian200: Doing something like that kind of reminded me of DOS. athenian200: When the computers weren't really smart enough to find stuff unless you told it exactly where to look. athenian200: And most of the settings had to be memorized, etc. Kitsu:Writing SQL is extremely literal. Kitsu:You have to say EXACTLY what you want,. Kitsu:With almost no abstraction. athenian200: And THEN programs could find the sound card... usually. athenian200: I'm pretty good at being literal, I think. athenian200: xD Kitsu:'(SELECT pagetext, postid, username, threadid, title FROM {post}) UNION ALL (SELECT title, NULL, NULL, NULL, NULL FROM {thread})' athenian200: That looks like it would execute multiple commands at once, in a particular order with particular data. Kitsu:Yeah, it's selecting data from two different tables at once. athenian200: Obviously the computer wins at executing multiple database queries at high speed. athenian200: It would take two of us to get even close. athenian200: Looking at the tables manually. Kitsu:So... athenian200: Yeah? Kitsu:Trying to work it out in my head. Kitsu:How to get the title. Kitsu:I know I need to use the data from the post table, and somehow use it to fetch from the thread table... Kitsu:maybe matching up ids or something. athenian200: Why not just store the threadid from the post table somewhere temporarily, and then feed it to a query from thread table? athenian200: Maybe in a variable or something... if you can use PHP. If it's just raw SQL, maybe that won't work. Kitsu:I'm writing this in PHP & MySQL. athenian200: So, what's the difficult part? athenian200: Bridging the queries and keeping the data from being used before it's ready? athenian200: Or is the issue with not being sure you can reliably reuse the variable several times on the same script? Kitsu:I just can't figure out how to go about it. Kitsu:Because I don't think I have a clear enough picture of the problem. athenian200: Well, let's break it down. You know how to get the threadid from the postid, right? athenian200: The program is already doing that. Kitsu:That's the exact problem, actually. Kitsu:I know how to get them individually. Kitsu:But not the postid..... to the threadid, and thus the title. athenian200: Well, first get the threadid. athenian200: Then store it in a variable or something. athenian200: And then call that variable again. athenian200: When requesting data from the other table. athenian200: Because it's the same value in each one. athenian200: And then, print that as your final answer. Kitsu:Oh. athenian200: That's basically what I did earlier, when you said you needed someone to do it. athenian200: I just did it myself because I was getting the impression that the software couldn't due to some issue. athenian200: LOL. athenian200: But if it didn't work that way, I couldn't have gotten the data from the other table. athenian200: Because there would be nothing consistent to reference. athenian200: The fact that the values match up is the key to making the database usable for either me, or the computer. athenian200: Neither one of us could use it if they didn't. athenian200: I looked at the postid, glanced over to the threadid column. Wrote that down. athenian200: Then went to the thread table. athenian200: And looked for the threadid. athenian200: And then glanced at the title column. athenian200: And gave you the result. Kitsu:It worked!!! athenian200: Yay! athenian200: I think part of your issue with pointers may have been that you're used to thinking of variables the way they are in Math. athenian200: And not the way they're used in programming. athenian200: Which tends to be really dynamic, the same information often being used in different ways to solve multiple problems. Kitsu:Hmm, just ONE more thing. Kitsu:Need to convert the titles to the url slugs. Kitsu:So that Official Suggestions Thread becomes Official-Suggestions-Thread Kitsu:I remember doing it once with codeigniter athenian200: I think there's some kind of character replacement thing. athenian200: That just converts certain parts of a string to another character, if it contains that character. athenian200: Web browsers do it all the time. Kitsu:Fully working! Kitsu:Try it! athenian200: Yes, it does work. athenian200: This is pretty good. athenian200: How did you end up doing the url slug thing? Kitsu:Simple regular expression. athenian200: Ah, those are the character replacement things, right? Kitsu:$title = preg_replace('/[ ,]+/', '-', trim($miracles->title)); Kitsu:Yeah. athenian200: Yeah, that's the exact kind of function I was thinking of. athenian200: Just didn't know what it was called. athenian200: But I knew there had to be something that worked that way. Kitsu:Thanks for figuring that out though, really helped. athenian200: I don't know how I really help, I don't know any code. athenian200: I just have these vague ideas about how computer programs and their functions work. athenian200: And looked them up enough to know the vocabulary. athenian200: It's kind of cool, though. athenian200: I wonder how you actually write these things? athenian200: Without having that in mind. Kitsu:It's mainly that I can't put together a clear picture of the problem very well. Kitsu:Once you put it like you did, I immediately knew what code to write and how to structure it. athenian200: Ahh. athenian200: You really have studied a lot of the PHP reference, haven't you? Kitsu:Yeah. athenian200: It's strange what you did learn and what you didn't. athenian200: I wouldn't be able to understand what I was reading if I didn't have these concepts in mind first.
  12. I'd like to go back to the 1980's. A lot of amazing stuff was going on then.
  13. That's not a typical reaction of most of the Sensors I've encountered. Most sensors I've encountered are simply very rigid about their abstract notions. They tend to listen to what I'm saying, and then bring up the ideas they already have that closest to what I said, trying to convince me that's the case. Basically, they don't like to make new connections or listen to new ideas until they've heard the facts. Their biggest weakness is that they don't like to accept new ideas, modify existing ones, or anything like that. They'll generally have vague, simple opinions on abstract issues if you don't push them very much, but they might react that way if you got into theoretical details or challenged an idea they already held. You can generally bring them into an abstract discussion indirectly if you can find a way to make the idea more concrete for them by giving examples or something, but that's just my experience. They're just not comfortable taking theory head-on rather than couched in facts, details, and examples. Exposed to relevant supporting facts, their abstract notions tend to change unconsciously and without problems. Basically, the best way to teach a Sensor an abstract idea is to mention facts in casual conversation that, if pieced together over time and combined with common knowledge/reasoning, would eventually add up to the abstract idea. Sensors don't trust puzzles that are already put together (because they're not that good at taking them apart and seeing how they go together at that point), they want to feel like they put all the pieces together themselves. IOW, you don't want to make them use their N consciously. You want to consciously engage their S with stuff their N can put together later when they're alone, possibly asleep. There's a reason why a lot of people report that they often wake up knowing the answer to a crossword puzzle or riddle that they couldn't figure out the previous day.