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About Tempest3

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    Studying to become a programmer. Programming is a lot more fun than IT work.
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    "Every man has a right to his opinion, but no man has a right to be wrong in his facts."
    -Bernard M. Baruch
  1. Sorted into Gryffindor, wanted to be in Ravenclaw. Not really a chance in the world I would end up in Hufflepuff.
  2. So, I think the idea fits, but my biggest problem with it is that I don't really have any Ni/Se friends. I only have my own experience to that half of it. But the Se vs Si feels right so far.
  3. ^ The reason people are still using Windows XP -- security vulnerabilities, outdated features, hardware limitations and everything else that comes with a 14 year old unsupported OS. Software design is a constantly improving field, and the hardware market has changed dramatically since 7 came out (SSD's were barely in the realm of affordability, DDR4 was a dream, and optical drives were still a big deal).
  4. So, really looking for feedback/confirmation... almost anything relating to this. I kind of have the feeling that either this is the most obvious thing and I'm dumb for not realizing it sooner, or that this is not a thing and I'm dumb for thinking it is. Also, I apologize for how long "Example B" is. Skimming it is allowed. But here goes: So, my two best gaming friends are and INTP and an ENTP. Their playstyles have always been reasonably similar (although the INTP is much less comfortable with being awful at something in competitive play), but I don't think we'd ever really attempted to nail down what differentiated my playstyle from theirs. Recently, I introduced my girlfriend to a game we all play together (League of Legends), and when trying to help her choose a character she would enjoy (characters usually have associated playstyles), I picked something very specific (Lux) and didn't know why. So... that ended up launching an attempt to figure out how Ni arrived at the conclusion that she would prefer a playstyle I'd never even really bothered to try. Back to focusing on my experience with the INTP/ENTP friends... in pretty much any game we play, they both love the micro-game -- finding something off-the-wall and focusing on perfecting a version of it. It doesn't bore them, and there's an obvious degree of satisfaction they feel in "succeeding" at their usually ludicrously complicated micro-game. It's *that* which they derive their sense of fun from. We can lose the actual game itself, and that hardly matters if the micro-game didn't involve winning or losing the round. We can win and it will be disappointing and sad if the micro-game was lost. They both focus heavily on the mechanics of the game -- practicing something that can become a micro-game for them. However, I usually play for the adventure of the game. I want to reach the level that I feel competent, and then I just go looking for anything exciting to do. If the micro-game involves something tedious, I struggle to find any way to enjoy it. I love the rush of excitement when I need to make split-second decisions or instinctively read how a PVP situation should be handled. I enjoy the micro-games of perfectly-timed super-flashy combos -- when we're all on the same page and execute a synchronized play. And I love the thrill of the imminent threat of failing. If the game doesn't involve "risk", I quickly lose interest. I want to have to try, and I want to have earned success, rather than have had practically no alternative. Example A (much shorter): Warframe The ENTP got *livid* at me for killing enemies that he was finding the most inefficient way to kill. The INTP loves exploring the maps and spending countless hours exploring. Both choose weapons that are "fun" (bizarrely complicated and underpowered) because it's too boring to play the game efficiently. My favorite warframes are always easy to kill, but have specific tricks to overwhelm/disable enemies and survive. I prefer to perfect specifically strong weapons/warframes and theorycraft ways to make them deal more damage to enemies. ---------------------------------------------- Example B (painfully long, but reasonably precise): League of Legends INTP's favorite champs -- Viktor, Draven, Rumble. All literally the most mechanically complex in the game. The INTP loves the obsessively complex mechanics of all of these champions. It's not that he's extremely good at them -- he's not interested in competing -- he just loves the fact that they are complex. You don't just "play Viktor" and do well. You have to spend a significant amount of time learning a unique way to play League. Same with Draven and Rumble -- it's about the INTP executing a complex kit with perfection. ENTP's favorite champs -- Swain, Diana, Velkoz, Taric, Nautilus. Two extremely "simple" tanks (you mostly ignore enemies and focus on your own actions), a very hard to kill mage, a very calculated mage (extremely long-range, extremely high-damage), and an assassin (He more enjoys the character of Diana than actually playing her... assassins aren't his thing) The ENTP will get most upset when he isn't able to combo someone correctly. He doesn't really care what his enemy does, or what happens overall... as long as mechanically -- he won. Swain, Taric, Nautilus, Velkoz... they're all about the order you do things in and some level of reward for perfection in that. And me? Kassadin, Lissandra, Nocturne, Udyr, Janna, Vayne I want to be in the middle of the fight -- very possibly the person who engaged the fight in the first place. I want to have to fight instinctively and pull my way through winning. I love assassins and counter-assassins. For every fight to be 50-60% up to my opponent to lose, as much as for me to win. And losing isn't both of us walking away -- losing a fight with these characters is dying. Janna is my reverse-assassin, using my love of being right in the fight to be the person stopping people diving my team. The perfect example of the "micro-game" is when we play co-op vs AI and they brainstorm for our playstyle. "Burn-comp" is a favorite. We literally just pick characters who deal damage in a circle around themselves, and we build to never die and deal constant damage. We're not allowed to attack the enemies or use any abilities other than our "burn" damage (which we have to walk right next to enemies to deal... we chase them around as they slowly die). This is the most fun thing ever to them. I cringed today when it was mentioned again. ---------------------------------------------- Okay, TLDR: I *think* the Ni/Se vs Ne/Si boils down to looking for external adventure vs looking for internal adventure. I want to compete with my opponents, they want to compete with themselves. I'm possibly seeing a connection with INTJ's being "unlikely" adrenaline junkies (when "Rational" expectations would have us limit calculated risks). [from a conversation with the INTP] "It's more like jumping off a cliff and figuring out how to use a wingsuit for the first time without bothering to read the instructions first. I just know I have this and it'll be more fun this way." Thoughts?
  5. "Honestly, I wish typology didn't exist. All it leads to is this fake idea that you can just stereotype someone and once you know what *letters* they are, you know everything about them. That is just so disgusting and wrong to me. People are unique. You can't just classify them." I find it curious how frequently this point of view is encountered (whether rejecting or embracing the concept of typology), and I've often wondered how a person espousing that belief dealt with encountering people different than themselves. It is true that we are all unique. Colors are also unique. And yet we give many of them names. The more shades of color we have identifiers for, the more our brains differentiate colors [http://www.wired.com/2012/06/the-crayola-fication-of-the-world-how-we-gave-colors-names-and-it-messed-with-our-brains-part-i/]. Similarly, the more we understand the differences between us -- the more we allow perspective to show us detail in variation -- the more we can truly respect the uniqueness of the individual. The "obvious" flaw of this myth is that every single one of us stereotypes people. We learn how to identify "types" from early childhood. Generalizations are what our brains are fantastically equipped for (and why we are lousy eye-witnesses). Whether we're stereotyping black teens in hoodies, rich white girls drinking starbucks, or old men wearing Marine ballcaps, we inherently build expectations of how to interact with these people. It's not "wrong" -- society would struggle to exist without our ability to do things like this. Sometimes, of course, our reaction to a stereotype is extremely wrong, and sometimes [frequently] our stereotypes are ill-informed and need to be corrected. However, we all have our methods of "typing" people, and we all interact with those around us based on how we perceive them. This is where we get our battery of questions we open up with when meeting new people ("How are you? What do you do for a living? Where did you get your degree? Where are you from? How long have you been in the area?") -- we assign a "type" to that person and begin interpreting our interactions with them through that type. This leads me to the slightly less obvious flaw in the myth (and one that many new students of typology unwittingly embrace without realizing the fallacy of) -- that typology allows a practitioner to categorize people and derive all interpersonal knowledge from the "type". The study of typology is about understanding the diversity of human thought and applying "types" rooted in an expanded perspective beyond just the practitioner's life experiences. One of the fundamental truths of typology is the concept that not all people think like "you." For me, I remember there being a moment when a flood of things people had said or done but that I hadn't understood suddenly "clicked" and I realized that I had spent my life expecting people to think the same way I did. They don't (and I don't mean that in an arrogant "INTJ's think better than anyone else" way, because... we don't. It's just different than a lot of people. Regardless of your type). People are unique. Within types, there is room for infinite levels of self-development and individualism. Myers-Briggs isn't about having "4 letters assigned to you" and that being the end of it -- it's a point of perspective. I am an INTJ. As such, I struggle with being emotionally insensitive, strikingly cruel, arrogant, and self-absorbed. However, I'm also capable of endless selflessness (when it is for a good and just cause), extremely honest self-critique, a vibrant drive to understand myself emotionally, and an ability to read people and situations that allows me to offer insightful perspective on almost anything someone needs help with. I am developing as a person. There is nothing stagnant about being an "INTJ" or some other type. If anything, it's harder to justify many of my weaknesses when they are clearly spelled out in front of me. It's not just people "misunderstanding." Typology is not limiting. Rather, we all live and exist within our limits. Typology offers a broader perspective on our limited perspective. It is fundamental to our species to "classify." Typology helps us recognize more specific categories. Thoughts or arguments over the myth?
  6. PBE account is Tempest3 -- I play on it regularly, so just message me if you see me online and want to play something!
  7. Being an INTJ does not make you a bad person. Separate from the realm of typology, a person like myself can tend to feel emotionless and frustrated by any emotional endeavors. If I become focused on "getting what I want" and refuse to appreciate the lives of people around me, then I will be dangerous, unpredictable, and share many characteristics with a sociopath (although not technically lacking in empathy, but rather subduing it for my own gain). If new to the subject of typology, INTJs may be one of the most concerning types because of the platitudes so frequently passed around ("emotionless," "arrogant," "selfish"). If you're typed as an INTJ, and you're already leaning towards many of these negative characteristics (like many of us are in our early adult years), there's a good chance you unfortunately embrace this as your "destiny" and excuse your weaknesses and problems as being your "type." But. INTJs are not limited to that. Those shortcomings crop up when we are immature and need further development. An INTJ can grow to put individual worth on other people and their ideas. To consistently look outside themselves and focus on helping people. I've met multiple INTJs in the field of counseling/psychology because they're already learned to care about other people more than themselves and they legitimately want to help. If the only person in the world who matters to you is you, reassess what it means to be a human. Think about what gives people value. Blind arrogance and self-centered thinking leads only to emotional vacancy and an unfulfilled life. We are what we choose to be. Grow to be a better person. Use your gifts to help those around you. Immaturity is the stepping stone for everyone. Look for the next step.
  8. Yes, that's rather what I was getting at. I play my trumpet alone. Because I need to express something (not "to" anyone) that I cannot get out any other way.
  9. Very curious... I frequently used my trumpet playing for a similar purpose. I've never really felt like I can express anything singing, and I'm rubbish at poetry, but I could put emotion into music and sort of "dump" what I was going through.
  10. My older brother died when I was in my early 20s. That line hit me pretty hard.

  11. If you have had experiences and/or thoughts on the subject of emotional filtering and communication (specifically for INTJs), please comment below! I'd love more input on the topic and to open a conversation that could deepen our understanding of the people around us and the "enemy" within! --------------------------------------- My life principle: "I will always be reasonable. No matter how personally involved I am, I will abstract the situation and find the most rationally reasonable solution. It may hurt. It may be exactly what I don't want to do, but I will put every fiber of my being into carrying out what I have decided must be done." I'm certain there are people who could easily nitpick the details/tone of my life principle, but the point is that it's mine and I aim to live by it. Anyway, I have decided to try and expound on what emotions are to me (as an INTJ), my occasional-but-fierce internal struggles with them, and the total failure that is "an INTJ being emotional." Please, if you have thoughts on the topic (whether as an INTJ yourself, or questions surrounding this topic) -- comment below. I think I would describe my childhood as nearly emotionally vacant. I loved planning things, thinking about things... I would tell stories to myself as I lived multiple lives with my imaginary friends. Everything was a mental adventure. I lived to understand concepts and see what they meant. At one of my birthday parties, my mother pulled me aside and told me I wasn't showing any gratefulness towards my friends for the gifts I'd gotten. I didn't know what she meant -- what was I supposed to do? I was grateful. But how was I to express that? Everything felt cheap. Ineffective. Meaningless. A couple of years later, a friend did something for me, and I intentionally went out of my way to try and "look" happy and excited. It felt stupid. They were pleased. Some time into my teens is when I first remember "feeling" something. I've told the story on here before, but it was utterly overwhelming. Out of the blue, I started weeping uncontrollably. I didn't know how to respond... this was not something I was prepared for. It shook me -- I'd lost control. A few years later I remember having a dream in which my older brother died. I woke up feeling overwhelmingly empty and helpless. Sort of (I'll get back to this part later). It was so bad that I ended up calling him at college and trying to explain to him that I loved him. It sounded so stupid, but I had to try... I felt awful realizing that he had no idea if I valued him at all. I consider both the above stories "awakening" experiences for me emotionally. They didn't really do much, and they were exceedingly isolated, but they were real. As I entered college, an entirely new problem opened up. To make a very long story short, I spent 2 years trying to figure out if/how I was supposed to let go of a girl I loved very deeply, but who would not reject me for fear of hurting me. The night I figured out what I had to do, I stayed up all night long staring at the bunk above me and waiting for the clock at the foot of my bed to say "5:00" so I could get up and call one of my closest friends (an ENTP we'll call "Myyka") to talk about what I needed to do. Those two years hurt more than anything else I have ever been through, and I still describe them as the time I "found out I have emotions." Many times I found myself physically debilitated by my emotional scrambling, and abstracting situations grew increasingly difficult. I wanted to find what was right, but everything hurt so much. I couldn't focus, and that devastated me. I didn't know how to talk about anything I was going through, and I wanted so badly to have at least a single honest conversation with this girl where both of us would say what we were thinking. I did eventually get a conversation like that the summer after I "let go," and it wasn't very fun, but I felt so much relief afterwards that even the exceptional rudeness of her dad 30 seconds after she and I had parted ways hardly phased me. See, to an INTJ, emotions feel foreign. They're an internal force ravaging our well-oiled machinery. At first, I hated them. I've since learned to appreciate their existence (even though I still fight an endless war with them), and I hope to some day learn how to accept them and integrate them into my being. Emotions feel like a varying degree of "you're fine" or "you're not fine" with no rational basis and usually counter-productive drives. They make my life-principle exceptionally hard to fulfill. How can I be reasonable while fighting to even think about anything other than how awful I feel? And this is when I might as well talk about the elephant in the room... I've only discussed negative emotions. See, I believe that I do honestly experience both. However, I can far more easily rationalize positive emotion, and it usually doesn't conflict with anything going on. Also, I don't trust it. And untrusted positive emotion doesn't get to do very much. "Yay! I'm happy!" is met immediately by, "Don't get carried away... this could fall apart at any second." However, I recognize positive emotions because their downfall frequently gives strength to the ensuing negative emotions. Thus, the battle with them feels more dire and important -- if I feel nothing "happy," I won't feel as disappointed when it falls apart. It's a coping mechanism, and probably not the best way to deal with the issue... but it usually works. To some degree. This brings me to the element of INTJ frustration most regularly encountered by people of my age (young adult) -- emotional expression. I had a conversation with Myyka (ENTP) about how he expresses ideas and chooses words, and it was a completely eye-opening experience. See, to me -- ideas are not words. I fight to translate. I say something over and over again trying to get it to feel close to what I'm thinking. If I have one shot at it, it won't be very good. Also, the only thing that matters to me in communication is accuracy of wording. I desire to find out how to say precisely what I'm thinking. The tone is not something I usually give much consideration to (although I've obviously learned a great deal about tone from growing up), and this sparked a fascinating conversation about word choice and "painting pictures." I remembered reading a post on this forum about an INTJ/ENFP relationship in which the INTJ quite unfortunately used the loaded phrase "I love you" and the problems that arose from that-phrase/what-it-meant/what-he-might've-been-using-it-for were of great curiosity to me. Moxiie went on to expound on type-bias (If the types in this topic were reversed, the advice would also be reversed. If an INTJ had been told by an ENFP "I love you," the advice would be to run because they were just trying to emotionally manipulate you.) and this helped fuel a debate about whether INTJs manipulate people with words (if you read all of this and still think I can manipulate someone with my words... I am so sorry you failed reading-comprehension). Curiously, I think one of the fastest ways to separate INTJs from INTPs is to watch how they handle extremely strong emotional situations. Most INTJs (from what I have observed) will fight very hard to keep an internal enemy at bay, and may end up basically shutting down. An INTP will not be hiding much of anything; if the emotion is rage -- run (don't hide... they're too good at finding you). What's particularly curious about this (and I'm not at all condemning INTPs for this... emotional expression *at all* is frequently better than none) is that INTPs seem thoroughly convinced that they do not feel anything. In a conversation, if you mention that you "feel" some way about something, they will frequently express surprise at the use of that word and joke about how they don't know what it means. In both cases, I think we immaturely wish we didn't feel. Perhaps, some day, we will be mature enough to not fight our own souls. --------------------------------------- tldr: As I "awoke" to my emotions, I struggled with learning how to function in spite of them, and (more deeply) how to integrate them into being a healthier person. If you have had a similar experience, or if you have questions about emotional expression for INTJs, please comment below!
  12. I'm legitimately looking for housing based on available internet providers, their speed, and what routes they take to servers I need stable connections to. I'm beginning to wish this was info put together simply on a website somewhere... hmm...
  13. I was doing a phone interview at the time... slightly distracted. You are quite right though.