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About Batosi

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  1. As an INTJ, this should be already imbedded into you at some level. Otherwise, I don't think you'd necessarily match up with how an INTJ operates, although that's a very bold opinion of mine, and probably worth contesting. Regardless, I can see how you trip up and get misinterpreted. You're seem to exert conceptualizing qualities when you're in a conversation; you're thinking on an entirely different level. We'll take the Abi guy for example (Note: this is just how I'm thinking about the situation, feel free to correct me as I have no factual basis, merely my conceptual INTJ thought process): The conversation you engaged in, to him, was likely a simple meet and greet. After hearing his name you jumped to the "slave" derived name concept. You developed this quite some time before the conversation, and saw a pattern and felt it might connect, and it made you curious. You conceptualized that, based on other data, his name might be of the same derivation, and therefore you posed an interesting question out of context to answer that question. People stared, obviously misinterpreting your question and jumping to conclusions (a fault of the human population in general). Without a chance to explain yourself, the question perhaps came off as offensive or extremely misplaced. What are the ways you could've avoided this situation? The ones that come to mind for me: Put in a level of context BEFORE you initiate your question ("'Back in the day, I had a group project that concerned the Muslim culture. I learned that the prefix "Abd" often refers to "slave." Does your name draw on the same concept? It sounds very similar.'") Bring down your thought process to their level, even though it's likely pretty boring and standard ("Nice name! I'm x.") Adress your thought process internally. Often your personal questions, if they're anything like mine, are poised for you by you. Meaning you're the best at interpreting your own question when you explain it to yourself. Attempt to answer your own question. (In your head: "Huh, his name is familiar to the "Abd" series of names in Muslim culture, perhaps his name has a familiar meaning. However, being only Abi, and not Abdi or a related name, it probably doesn't follow the same meaning. *internal tangent ensues*") Like one of the above posts mentions, censoring yourself is a key for being interpreted correctly. Yes, it's annoying to change how you would naturally respond, but to avoid getting your point or question across with some contention or conflict, it might be in your best interest. You do work for your own best interest, don't you? Often there are other creative, non-offensive ways to answer your questions, if you think hard enough. ("What does your name mean?") That's all I can think of. I'm not the social guru by any means, for I am after all, an introvert. But conceptually speaking I think this makes a lot of sense. We all know everything is perfect in theory, and that in practice this is more difficult. But once again, as mentioned, practice is key. These are things I often think about, whether or not to censor myself, ask my question at all, etc. Usually I spend so much time thinking about it during a conversation that the other person has moved on beyond a point where my question is valid and "in the now." Perhaps that's for the best, right? Silence, with a clear disposition of being engaged in the conversation, may be your best social weapon. Intent listening, after all, should be one of your strong suits, as you may have indicated. Hope I didn't repeat too much from other posts, I only scanned them momentarily. Perhaps this will provide some valuable overlap between other's thoughts.
  2. In no way do I find the INTJ label as a shackle. From time to time I like to read up about them because I connect so greatly to what is said in those articles. It's less of a label and more of a method of unlocking a greater understanding about yourself. Yes, it is essentially an idea that groups you into a sect of people who think like you, but in no way does that restrain you from being an individual. It doesn't suggest that you shouldn't be yourself or reflect exactly what is written about INTJs, only that a lot of what you see in INTJs is what you see in yourself. Personality type is but one dynamic that constitutes who you are. "This test said I'm an INTJ, therefore I should act like... Go into the career of x... Etc." --> wrong "This test said I'm an INTJ, and according to literature on the INTJ type, who I am at my core correlates with many or all of the descriptions listed, but does not limit me to being only what is described or only choosing a career that INTJs might be good at." --> oh so right
  3. For me I was in the same boat, but much earlier on (in High School). My father wanted me to be a doctor with all his heart. I did exceptionally well in school, but hated sciences. If he were still around today, I might've been still on that career path. Unfortunately he passed, but I'm not trying to extract pity from a forum, I have lost him but gained a world of insight in return. Left to my own devices to decide, I struggled wondering what it is I really loved and wanted to do. But over my time socializing and video gaming, one common theme emerged: I loved money. But I loved it more than the average man. It's not that I wanted to just work for money, I wanted to know everything about it. How it's invested, circulated, valued... Everything you can imagine. On all the MMOs I've played I began to accrue massive amounts of wealth strictly on developed expertise by predicting and abusing market trends. There was nary an item I could not flip for a profit. Realizing all these trends, I had an epiphany that I was destined for a career in finance and money management. If you asked me now that I'm a freshman in college, I will tell you defiantly that "I'm a business major who's going to have a concentration in finance & accounting with a minor in economics." I have not yet and will not deviate from this path. Then again I am likely more decisive than you and this quality has persisted in many different situations for me, to the point where I've made more decisions than I'd like to for others. The common theme I see here is that you must force an epiphany on yourself. These other people have suggested ways of doing so, but that may not be right for you. Reach inside yourself and find at your core what it is you want to become, and what you already are, and what you have to do to transition. You have the potential for skilled labor, so does most everyone. If you've made it this far into college, then you are definitely able, and you seem to want to stay. The only thing I can say to you is that at your core, you have primal wisdom about you that dictates what career you're best suited for. My friend, a manager at McDonalds who didn't apply himself, really loves to fix up bikes and cars and work on them, but settled for less. It's clear to me his path was mechanics but so far he hasn't worked on his future enough to come close to being one. If he ever reached his goal, we would be, at his core, optimally happy. He'd be doing something he loved for a profit. Think. What at your core makes you optimally happy? Think of something that relates to a career. Don't think about your compensation as the prime directive, that all comes later. If you would be happiest bumming around the country sucking dick for coke, I'd tell you to drop out of college because it's a sunk cost that won't make your life as happy as sucking dick for coke would. You have to come to this conclusion yourself, and you have to be defiant about it, life choices don't get made when you sit idly by like a pussy. Every man that gets asked "Do you take x to be your lawfully wedded wife?" answers promptly within 30 seconds-15 minutes at most. Go out and find your ideal future, take that concept on a date. If you like 'em, bring em home, fuck its brains out and marry that idea and don't look back, because you ought to love it more than you could possibly love anything else. Hope that helps put things into perspective.
  4. Hey guys. My names Alex Baxter. Figured I'd register under Batosi, a name I'm commonly known by for many other gaming communities. Just kind of stuck ever since I was a young lad prowling around the web. Pretty sure my rationale was based on Rirouni Kenshin back when that was on Adult Swim and such. Was pretty off base with the spelling, and I'm sure not a slayer of men. I'm an eighteen year old college student at the University of Vermont. It's been a bit of a struggle to get my name out there and make friends because of the transition. I find myself needing to understand myself better, so I went back to the tests and the information. I love hearing that type of information that meshes with the core of my being. Then I saw a link to this forum on an INTJ article and was interested. I wondered "In a cesspool of people like me... What in the world will they think up?" You guys did not disappoint. The clear thought processes combined with speculative nature of thinking and reasoning gave me the biggest intellectual boner I've had in a long time. This seems like a solid community to help me pass the time for the great deal of time I spend in my dorm. Hopefully I'm welcomed with open arms :) All you really need to know is that I'm a man of theory and a man of money. I'm an opportunity seeker, and damn good at it. I'm an inward centered profiteer, and more often than not work in my best interest. During my video game years, I've always been more concerned with gaining the cold hard cash over gaining the skill/levels/etc. Everything else was second to cash flow, because to me cash flow dictates everything. The theorycrafting aspect of my inner being likes to reflect on why things are the way they are, and also solutions to complex problems that are often overlooked, but probably for good reason because I like to disregard social standards and don't pander to the masses. (Quick, undeveloped example: if I ran my own country, I'd use a monthly census to determine employment rates -> if unemployed, they are given until next census to become employed -> if unemployed after two consecutive census', they are deported -> higher resulting employment rate w/ stabler economy) That's me in a nutshell. Cheers.
  5. Agreed. Take this lesson to heart. MBTI can only do so much for you in determining compatibility. What it will probably do best for you is determining how to interpret and deal with the person you're with. Use your general judgement -> if you like 'em, try to get with them -> get their MBTI (tell them you want to understand them better, or that you're curious as to what their type is because you took a test, whatever you have to do -> use some analytics and rock their world with incredible amounts of understanding and beneficial interaction -> profit If they are crazy, you mighty only need the first point step... Use your general judgement. EDIT: Also, opposites attract, that's for certain, but they don't always work well together. So think about that aspect. That doesn't exclude the prospect of dating/getting with an INTJ, but I think it makes it somewhat unlikely. Besides if you're an INTJ, you're probably gonna need a counterweight to some of your qualities (perhaps someone more rooted in facts and definite prospects, realistic, perhaps extroverted and more talkative, etc.)
  6. Quite an interesting topic indeed. First topic to catch my eye as I joined this forum. To limit thought processes to that of only INTJs probably wouldn't provide a richer overall perspective, but it'd probably be much more interesting. Allow me to expand the grey area to the best of my ability. I don't think that friendzoning is necessarily a cultural construct of modern western culture, for its too simple of a concept to be generalized to one part of the world. In breaking it down I see it as simple cause and effect; then again the way we all define friendzoning may be different. At the very least we can all agree its the process by which you end up in the friend zone. Whether the inputs are an expression of emotion, verbal or physical, that fails or no input at all, etc., it is all a part of the rejection process which is an essence of human mating. Being friends despite this rejection doesn't seem mutually exclusive to the west. Whether or not it is commonplace here more so than anywhere else is a mystery to me, but I would speculate that perhaps it is because its propagated by western culture (TV/Movies/Music/etc.). Any way you spin it, men more often than not are the ones searching for women and pussy, and women usually end up being the ones cracking the whip because of it. Men have more incentive, I feel, to go after pussy than women after dick. As you can imagine that creates a demand in men that exceeds supply of poontang, and that means suppliers will discriminate to get the payout that they feel they deserve. It is animalistic in nature. I don't mean to exclude women who search for men, because of course there are such incidents and many of them. The question is who has to search harder, which makes comparing the graphs a joke to me; it's pretty obvious. I don't think co-dependence is something exclusive to any one or group of personality types, or even gender. Seems like "having someone" is a priority that is given high precedence over others for people which are greatly concerned by lacking a partner. It can stem from pre-dispotioned fear or traumatic events, etc., which are not mutually exclusive to any personality type. Considering INTJs, they might be more affected by losing a partner and be more obligated to find a new one because of the introversion aspect (small inner circle, many acquaintances -> loss of innermost circle member -> scramble for replacement(s) v. divert resources to relying on other friends/factors). What it also suggests to me is that it usually wouldn't be a quick process, which it can be for other personality types, especially any extroverts who are more exposed to social surroundings. Of course this is purely speculation, but I'm sure other INTJs can handle how my thought processes operate in that respect.