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  1. While I'm waiting for an argument, I have to ask, did you even read this? And it goes on to suggest solutions…
  2. Please feel free to take however long you need to form an argument. I never gave you a deadline.
  3. Even when you don't need to damage your intellectual integrity any further, you go above and beyond. In case you're puzzled, it's telling that you haven't been able to respond directly to any of the arguments I've made, yet you continue to drag it out.
  4. Agreed. Norway has one of the lowest incarceration rates at 74 per 100,000 while the US is at 666 per 100,000. This article goes into why it's so successful. They use "restorative justice" instead of "revenge justice."
  5. Don't the two already go hand in hand? In countries with more successful prison rehabilitation, crime and incarceration rates are lower as well.
  6. Did you miss the part where that's also a reflection of the prison system and our culture's view on criminals? You're just showing that it's currently not working in our system, not that rehabilitation doesn't work. How does it make more sense other than reaffirming your already held belief that brutal punishment works? Along with thebrainpolice, I'd like to see actual data that a brutal penal system is more effective than rehabilitation. Since you linked an article from HuffPost, here's another that goes into how the US can learn from prison reform efforts throughout the world.
  7. More reform. When society believes it's impossible for a criminal to change, is it any wonder why they don't change? When a criminal is released on good behavior and commits the same crime, it's as much of a failure of the prison system and society as it is a failure of the individual. Majority of people who commit crimes aren't actually psychopaths and are capable of being reformed, rapists included. The problem is reform requires a lot of time and tedious work. And of course, most importantly, we need to ensure that we protect the community while reforming. But to throw out ideas that rapists should be castrated is just barbaric, ignorant retaliation.
  8. There's still not. Considering the topic isn't "how far does human depravity go," it's irrelevant.
  9. On the contrary to what?
  10. My condolences. These are great ideas. Anything that'll allow you to feel comfortable expressing yourself will help, especially in the company of others.
  11. And there are rapes that are worse than your cancer. Why are you being obtuse? In your original post to the thread, you brought up your cancer, compared it to rape, then claimed "there are worse things [than rape]" which carries the implication that your cancer is one of those things. I can understand if you didn't mean it that way, but considering you carried on with "worse examples," it's confusing why you didn't clear it up sooner. And perhaps more importantly, bringing up "worse things than rape" is what I was addressing as delegitimizing rape. There's no reason to bring up "worse things" to make your point about death being worse than rape.
  12. The times when I've disliked interrupting usually amounted to either: 1) being accommodating or 2) avoiding conflict. In a work environment, it's pretty easy to interrupt when it feels necessary. Working on the timing can require social nuances and take practice. If you lead with a question, you'll at least open the opportunity for them to say no. And more often than not, it'll be more like "hold that thought" while they continue, then you can add what you'd like when they've finished their train of thought. See if you can pick up on the differences between the times when you're told yes or no and use that to improve your timing.
  13. Except, you hadn't said any of that until now. You've only brought up your cancer, compared it to rape, and claimed that cancer is worse than rape. And now you're contradicting yourself by arguing that competing who is the biggest victim for brownie points is unhealthy. No one in this thread has done that but you.
  14. I don't think most women would mind waking up without a testicle. You've missed my point. You're attempting to delegitimize rape by bringing your testicular cancer into the conversation. That'd be like me trying to delegitimize your experience with testicular cancer by comparing it line by line with how my brain cancer is worse. Instead, I'm pointing out that our experiences with cancer are different. Similar to how rape victims' experiences will be different not only between each other but also to cancer victims. Do I really need to point out to you how rape victims can have a worse experience than what you had with testicular cancer?
  15. I agree with Seablue on this. You can't really know that a rapist wouldn't be able to inflict more pain on you. But even if we pretend that you can, you can't apply it to everyone. I've been dealing with cancer as well. For over three years, and there isn't an end in sight. And I don't believe it's nearly as bad as the trauma and pain others have gone through from their experience of rape. So, you're not the only one who's gone through trauma, and yours isn't the worst just because you experienced it. One would hope that after going through cancer they'd have a better grasp on empathizing with the nuances of different traumas for different people. And I say all that because you said, "there are worse things" as if that were an objective statement. --- To answer the OP regarding fiction, sometimes rape is used as a shock factor without any real character development. Instead, the victim is just a prop to evoke emotion from the reader or it's used to develop a male character who is outraged that it happened to the victim. And that's what happened to Barbara Gordon. Her rape and crippling was done simply to break her father, Commissioner Gordon. And in fact, people were more upset about the crippling because it killed Batgirl. Barbara lived, but she could no longer be Batgirl. And for what purpose? A "dark" story? So in that sense, Batgirl's death was actually perceived as worse than her rape. Overall, I think people are afraid of suffering any kind of trauma. People want to take the path of least resistance, and some go as far as imagining that they'd rather be dead than deal with the suffering of trauma. But more often than not, the worst is suffering trauma in isolation. So I'd suspect those who believe rape to be worse than death likely aren't imagining that people would be there to support them.