[universalis]

I am quite fascinated by this. I have only known one INTJ female in my life (particle physicist) and she was always annoyed by her male colleagues treating her as second rate having to prove herself just because she had a pair of ovaries and breasts. I'm wondering if others are like this too. Ironically she's the only female I do respect in that way.

My sample size being one, doesn't allow me to extrapolate.

[notthedroid]

I like it when men underestimate me. When I eventually pull the intellectual rug out from under them, the looks on their faces are priceless.

[Josephine1012]

I don't know if I get to participate since I'm not INTJ. But I am a female, in a highly technical field who is routinely underestimated due to both my flirtatious demeanor and the fact that I'm a girl.

I kind of like and encourage it as well. I can make my points when necessary, but I find it is much easier to get things done when men don't feel competitive. They tend to feel competitive when they are challenged by a female, so I don't like to challenge.

[notthedroid]

	I kind of like and encourage it as well. I can make my points when necessary, but I find it is much easier to get things done when men don't feel competitive. They tend to feel competitive when they are challenged by a female, so I don't like to challenge.

True! Besides, being competitive means you acknowledge the other person as competition, so you're already in a losing position there. I like to think I have no competition. :-)

[intj1999]

I never really had that problem because I always went to special schools or programs for "gifted" people where it did not matter what sex you are. Most of my friends are men and I tend to act more like a man than a woman. If you dress in a suit (and don't show skin) and you speak with authority, people tend to respect you. If they do not respect you, it shows that they are lacking in social skills.

[Colette]

It doesn't annoy me, but in my case I think my intellect 'distances' me from many men, in terms of prospective relationships. I wish I could do something about this, but I find it hard to dumb myself down.

[intj1999]

	Originally Posted by Colette To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	It doesn't annoy me, but in my case I think my intellect 'distances' me from many men, in terms of prospective relationships. I wish I could do something about this, but I find it hard to dumb myself down.

Yeah, that is a serious problem. I have tried to settle for less and it always ends in disaster.

[Solaris]

I would hate myself, and destroy him out of pure malice if I dumbed down. No can do. I don't often find many men that I can't get respect from though. Women often have more problems with me than men. Go figure that most of my friends are, then, men.

[notthedroid]

	It doesn't annoy me, but in my case I think my intellect 'distances' me from many men, in terms of prospective relationships. I wish I could do something about this, but I find it hard to dumb myself down.

Very true. Sometimes I wish I could drop around 30 IQ points. I'd still be bright, but my relationship prospects would be much better (or, say, existent). I need an intellectual equal or better, and they are so painfully rare. I have yet to find anyone who can really give me a run for my money. Which is probably why I am considering getting five cats and starting a collection of holiday themed sweatshirts.

INTJ females - we rock, and yet what makes us awesome is what dooms many of us to miss out, and we know it.

[intj1999]

Originally Posted by notthedroid To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Very true. Sometimes I wish I could drop around 30 IQ points. I'd still be bright, but my relationship prospects would be much better (or, say, existent). I need an intellectual equal or better, and they are so painfully rare. I have yet to find anyone who can really give me a run for my money. Which is probably why I am considering getting five cats and starting a collection of holiday themed sweatshirts. INTJ females - we rock, and yet what makes us awesome is what dooms many of us to lose, and we know it.

LOL, so true and so frustrating.
There has to be a way to overcome this.

[notthedroid]

	There has to be a way to overcome this.

I am thinking that by the time robotics and artificial intelligence progress to the point to be a solution, it will be too late for me and I would only want one for dishwashing and folding laundry. But just think - when you don't want to pay attention to him you could turn him off and put him in the closet!

"Coin operated boy" is stuck in my head.

[universalis]

	Originally Posted by notthedroid To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I am thinking that by the time robotics and artificial intelligence progress to the point to be a solution, it will be too late for me and I would only want one for dishwashing and folding laundry. But just think - when you don't want to pay attention to him you could turn him off and put him in the closet! "Coin operated boy" is stuck in my head.

Hahaha you people are hillarious.

OMG Solaris is female. WTF! That avatar is so ENTJ. Off topic but do you get in guys space's, poking them in a friendly manner and shit like that? .





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	Originally Posted by notthedroid To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Very true. Sometimes I wish I could drop around 30 IQ points. I'd still be bright, but my relationship prospects would be much better (or, say, existent). I need an intellectual equal or better, and they are so painfully rare. .

I read a study a few months ago on IQ disparity to divorce rate. Can't find the link, but the basic gist is. If you want to be happy, dumbing down aint the way.

[notthedroid]

	Off topic but do you get in guys space's, poking them in a friendly manner and shit like that?

The only time I can remember doing so in the last few years was when I sensed a male friend of mine was really down in the dumps, so I touched him on the shoulder and cracked a joke to cheer him up, kind of a solidarity thing. But normally I am very careful not to get in a guy's space or touch him, lest I give him the wrong impression. I've had too many problems with men misinterpreting my intentions.

	I read a study a few months ago IQ disparity to divorce rate. Can't find the link, but the basic gist is. If you want to be happy, dumbing down aint the way.

To get to divorce, you have to get married. I can't find anyone worth dating! I am failing on stage one. Failing on stage three is not a concern.

[Luthor Rex]

Originally Posted by mattosphere To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I am quite fascinated by this. I have only known one INTJ female in my life (particle physicist) and she was always annoyed by her male colleagues treating her as second rate having to prove herself just because she had a pair of ovaries and breasts. I'm wondering if others are like this too. Ironically she's the only female I do respect in that way. My sample size being one, doesn't allow me to extrapolate.

Well you can't blame us men, most women we meet in our lifetimes will be idiots. Gifted women (IQ's over 130) are something like less than 2% of the population. So we'll meet one maybe ever few years? If I was gambling and 98%+ of the time the roulette wheel always ended up on black I think I'd be justified to assume the next roll will be black until proven otherwise.

[universalis]

	Originally Posted by notthedroid To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	To get to divorce, you have to get married. I can't find anyone worth dating! I am failing on stage one. Failing on stage three is not a concern.

Yah I'm with you on this one. I'm rather social for an INTJ, (forced myself to be a few years ago), since I wanted girls. I'd hang around with non-NT friends, go clubbing, etc. I'm bored of partying and drinking as you never meet intellectuals that way, just good looking collection of atoms that can be ravaged and discarded. Rather dull in the long run.

[Luthor Rex]

	Originally Posted by Josephine1012 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I don't know if I get to participate since I'm not INTJ. But I am a female, in a highly technical field who is routinely underestimated due to both my flirtatious demeanor

Men are correct in not taking you seriously then. You're just a sexual harassment lawsuit waiting to happen aren't you?

[universalis]

	Originally Posted by Luthor Rex To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Well you can't blame us men, most women we meet in our lifetimes will be idiots. Gifted women (IQ's over 130) are something like less than 2% of the population. So we'll meet one maybe ever few years? If I was gambling and 98%+ of the time the roulette wheel always ended up on black I think I'd be justified to assume the next roll will be black until proven otherwise.

Yeah the trouble is I know exactly what I want. Attractive, IQ 130+, 23 year old in the same city, pref ENTP or maybe and INTJ. Probability of meeting those criteria in population 2 million, almost 0.

I don't mind dying alone. In fact I don't plan on dying so I'll just rewire myself not to need sex.
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[Sinequanon]

I'm not a woman (I waited for some dudes to crash into the thread before I jumped in
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), but I would be annoyed with anyone who didn't respect my intellect.

That said I've always argued that there's a certain power that can be wielded by being underestimated. The sorts of interrelations with power and people aren't as black and white as some social theories attempt to portray.

[notthedroid]

	Well you can't blame us men, most women we meet in our lifetimes will be idiots.

I don't blame them, but I think men have an easier time accepting partners less intelligent than themselves, which means they have a much wider selection of potential dating partners. Kind of makes me jealous.

Dumb guys are boner killers, bluntly. Sometimes I just want to yell at them to say one very smart thing and then shut the hell up.

[Josephine1012]

	Originally Posted by Luthor Rex To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Men are correct in not taking you seriously then. You're just a sexual harassment lawsuit waiting to happen aren't you?

Lol, not at all. And it isn't that they don't take me seriously is that they don't feel at odds with me. Just because you're friendly doesn't mean you're a sexual harassment lawsuit waiting to happen.

I primarily bridge the gap between very technical and business people. It's important that I am liked and not threatening. I don't have to brag about my IQ.

There is a big difference between acting sexually inappropriate and being friendly and light-hearted.

Most people have no trouble identifying that difference.

[Solaris]

	Originally Posted by mattosphere To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Hahaha you people are hillarious. OMG Solaris is female. WTF! That avatar is so ENTJ. Off topic but do you get in guys space's, poking them in a friendly manner and shit like that? .

Holy crap!! I am. :P Anyway, this is my Halloween Avatar, I thought it suited my type. So far, I've been right.

I absolutely get in guy's spaces. That may be partly because I take martial arts, but I think not. I've always been that way.

On the dumbing down for a spouse -- I agree, don't. My ex was not stupid, but we weren't exactly equals. Since I said ex, you can guess success was not there.

[universalis]

	Originally Posted by Solaris To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Holy crap!! I am. :P Anyway, this is my Halloween Avatar, I thought it suited my type. So far, I've been right. I absolutely get in guy's spaces. That may be partly because I take martial arts, but I think not. I've always been that way. On the dumbing down for a spouse -- I agree, don't. My ex was not stupid, but we weren't exactly equals. Since I said ex, you can guess success was not there.

Haha good times - I suspected!. It's just like an ENTJ female I know. Lots of fun, she is nice and crude like the boys too.

So what's a efficient killing machine doing in a cold place like this? I'd grapple with you but I suspect I would be outmatched. I definitely suspect ENTJ's like physical combat. My business partner is a ENTJ. Loves MMA and pride fighting.

[rara avis]

I'm working in a support position right now in order to go to school, and the nature of such a job is generally to be underestimated. So I can take it. I'm not in a position where I feel competitive (I don't care a bit about the industry) and without that aspect, I'm not bothered by what people think, just as long as they stay out of my way. I harbor the sense that if it came to it, I could take most of them down before they knew what was happening, anyway. (Not physically, mind you.)

Of course, I like to think I'm all stealthy, flying under the radar- but do have the occasional gratifying moment when someone gives me a doubletake, or a nervous laugh.

I definitely alter my behavior more around women than men.

As for dating... I'm practicing hard at being, as my sister says with serious irony, "breezy!!!" and just trying like damn to have fun without writing people off immediately. But I'm having a difficult time finding a man who both compliments me and who could, on a psychological level, really give me a run for my money. I just can't be nicey-nicey all the time.

I feel like I'm expending alot of energy protecting people from myself.

Hope that didn't get too far off topic...

[alphawolf]

I don't respect anybody for how intellectual they are. I respect them for demonstrating how capable they are. Action has to be witnessed.

[Josephine1012]

	Originally Posted by alphawolf To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I don't respect anybody for how intellectual they are. I respect them for demonstrating how capable they are. Action has to be witnessed.

Well, of course! But why bother proving yourself to someone who doesn't matter (hypothetically speaking). There is no point in laying all your cards out on the table.