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i just joined their forum because the description of their ALLEGEDLY "mellow & conflict avoiding" personalities is SERIOUSLY overstated. i had to split from their brand of insanity after just one day of them bringing out my effing stare ganging up and insulting me for my views on women and their hideous bad boys only lust motivation.
they REALLY seem to like pushing people's buttons like i'd only imagine ESFPs doing. not only that, but they pick and chose their quotes ignoring the context and bigger picture because i guess trying to quantify stupid human emotions as statistical probabilities based on both science and personal experience rocks their world so much they gotta start dropping words like schizophrenic. instead of answering my issues with the fact that women just don't like nice guys no matter how much they try to convince themselves, WITH a FEW exceptions, of course, but the basic FACT remains, women are programmed to breed with scum. you might not like the fact, but that's evolution for ya. i really thought my soul mate would be an INFJ, but if that's how uppity they are, eff that noise! it's so effing impossible finding a mate that has at least a little sex appeal (and i totally dig plain jane nerds with big noses!) that isn't also desperate or clingy or another annoying bad boy groupie. instead of offering tips on locating the woman that don't play the game i absolutely despise (all social stratification annoys me, not just women's bassackwards attempts to breed for it) they were more interested in attacking me personally making me want to bludgeon the whole instigating lot. i now see what everyone was talking about with INFJ argumentativeness. their description lied. they live to argue! 4x in one day? holy crap! it took me a month to get to that here. then again, it was the same subject. EFF that "thou shalt not disparage the female species" crap! as much of their self induced crap i have to listen to about how "all men are dogs" no, just the ones you lay down with, and you KNOW what that makes you. that's the way it really is, and eff anyone that doesn't like me telling the truth. i'll fight whoever to the death for that. i'm beginning to think that maybe there really AREN'T any worthy women out there that are mellow, avoid conflict and that are turned on by nice guys. if that's the case, then i just hate everyone. there's no point in life. all i know now is that INFJ = STFU to me. to think i was all ready to marry one sight unseen yesterday. human beings are the worst blight on planet earth. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- sorry for all the letter transpositions like INFP when i meant INFJ. i have name and number dyslexia and these abstractions are meaningless to me. i really have to stop and think to get them right. thanks to moxie for the correction, and i DO like being corrected when i'm ACTUALLY, and not perceived to be wrong. please don't take anything i say personally. i'm only talking about the status quo and no individuals in particular, and there are exceptions to every rule, even within a single type. tree hugging left wing hippies like me in the INTJ are a good example of that as goth & military is so much more common. i really just wanted to vent because i needed a hug where i feel i'm at least partially understood and accepted -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Last edited by zeroemission; 08-01-2012 at 01:35 PM.
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Are you talking about INFJs or INFPs? I'm confused but that's probably because I can't possibly objectively look at data......
Are you actually interested in knowing the reasons behind what you perceive as superiority or is that just the cozy blanket we all get to lay under? |
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You clearly offended them. My INFP friend is AMAZING. She is like my rock, very supportive and wouldn't hurt a fly till you cross her line. And it's a VERY big line so it takes one hell of a feat to cross it.
Also, being INFJ myself, I can be a little bitch at times too, but only if I think you deserve it and we're not close. If we are close (by this I mean "friends") I'll just ignore you till you take the hint. Sounds like you need to just stick to NT women lol. So it didn't work out with a couple NF women, relax dude, the human race is screwed whatever happens, might as well enjoy the ride. Go smoke a bowl or something. |
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INFP's lead with Fi, which can seem strange to those of us who lead with Thinking or Intuition. Their first reaction to something will be gauged against their emotional and moral compass. You have to get past the feelings before you get to their Ne.
Keeping that in mind, being that you lead with Ni, you feel like you can spout an idea which may come across as offensive and sexist. Even if it is a true or worthy idea, if it triggers the Fi of your audience, their Ne will never have a chance to engage in order to see your perspective. So, yes, they are mellow unless you trigger their Fi defenses. |
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am i pushing anyone's buttons here? ... I wonder how many of you want to burn me at the stake then -_-
women breed with people they either think can provide for their children, her needs or both. why do that with someone she thinks is incapable of it. the needs part is what changes from woman to woman. but theres plenty of variety out there. there's bound to be one type that would go with what you have... there should be...... you just sound really bitter and hurt right now. why dont you try to calm down and take a walk. just chill man. I always say this to myself: If someone doesnt want me, I cant blame that person, its not that persons obligation to want me. And the same goes for me, Im not obligated to want them either. Dont hate those who dont want you, if they cant see something they want from you... thats their call, and their right and thats what makes it right. |
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I can't speak for all INFPs but I have noticed a common trend that the tendency is to view people as individuals and not as conglomerates. Fi will be an alarm that says, "yeah, that might be true [that women date neanderthals, blah, blah] but we know it isn't full truth......because we can see Doris down the street who married the nicest guy in a three mile radius and countless others that get overlooked in the statistical data......the crowd mentality means nothing to me....individuals within it are another story entirely. |
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That's a good illustration of the difference between leading with Fi and Ne for instance. |
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^^^ read those two posts carefully for some amazing insight. Also, I think you had a Te hiccup in your Fi tantrum there ZM - the thread title says INFP but you primarily speak of INFJ's. Which is it? Both being lumped together? |
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Yes, ALL INFPs are crazy emo freaks with BPD, just like ALL INTJs are control-freak assholes extraordinaire with ramped up amounts of narcissism and superiority complexes and ALL INFJs are passive-agressive socially awkward nerds with self-righteous holier than though Jesus complexies.
And dude, women are not biologically programmed to mate with scum. They are biologically programmed to mate with what appears to be superior genetics and/or superior parenting skills, etc. Maybe you just don't appear to be superior... Also, Fi doesn't just belong to INFPs. I'd be insulted by the shit you said too, but my Fi is actually pretty well developed at this point. If you aren't getting the response you want then you might want to take a look at what you are doing to not faciliate a positive response, because I can guarantee it's more than you think/realize. Communication is a two-way street. Otherwise, you'd have people pissed off thinking they are going somewhere when really they have to turn around because your damn building is in the middle of what was a road. You don't move, aren't flexible, and people aren't going to respond in the best manner because they don't feel like they are getting anywhere. |
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Okay I have to ask...how old are you?
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That is interesting that your first thought would go to the empirical data on the subject......I think the confusion is not in that I would view it as an implied insult rather I would view the data relative to its perceived, by me, worth. So if someone says these things to me my mind processes the worth of each things relative to the longevity of a relationship....followed by Ne (stores of data) of Si (examples) of people who do not fit the criteria who are happily dating outside of that norm......my mind will automatically shift to the outliers of those paradigms and cling to that data as noteworthy as well and I'm likely to point it out as such even if it's pointless to do so and gets drowned out by the drone of the popular. |
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Psychology and evo psych are hardly empirical |
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Says you
You are strong with the Ti force. However, I am strong with the Fi force and I say men just prefer women (overall, of course, not all, of course)....hair or no hair and the established patterns speak for themselves |
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What's weird about this is I've never had any problems with INFPs and we don't even share any functions. :/ Maybe I'm just lucky? Or maybe I just haven't offended one yet haha.
ENFPs on the other hand... oh lord. |
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I'm literally holding my breath until someone tries to argue that men, in fact, do not generally prefer women... |
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You just haven't offended on yet. |
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If there's one thing I've noticed around here, it's that anything can be argued
What of the fury of a value that strains to be broken willingly by the INFP..... |
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In a way, that's what makes me jealous of Fi. I tend not to flip my shit at people I know; regardless of how much they deserve it. |
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I love, and I have to emphasize 'LOVE' you guys.
ZM: INFPs are like gentle sweet deer in a pasture eating clover and homemade parch ice cream....however, YouTube what happens on occasion when say an over excited dog tries to chase one. They prefer to run away from trouble but if you threaten them in a group or bite a bit at the fluffy sacred tail they will turn and kick the shit out of you. Did you miss the line in the personality assessments that say: beware of an INFP who feels you have stepped on a sacred cause.....defending the downtrodden is a holy act- my guess if a pack of them turned on you, they sensed you beating up on something that needed defended. Trick to INFP love? Be pure and wounded in some way. You've got the right stuff: 'hate everybody' And 'I fight for truth to the death!'. 'Pot' this is your new buddy 'Kettle' about to call you black, but you need to take a deep breath and try to shield your haunted memory of the scent of antifreeze. There are no enemies here, just a bunch of road rage on a dark highway. Everyone is confused and open and closed and aching in some strange corner of their being. INFs rarely rarely attack unless playing defensive offense. It wasn't against you, it was defense of something. I guarantee it. I am so close to the border of INTP and INFP that I dont even like playing team sports or board games because watching someone loose kills my joy of winning so that I dread the win. Gentle creatures mate but if I got captured as a prisoner of war I would put at least one INFP on my rescue team, they would have to kill that bitch 50 times before she/he gave up on the rescue. You can bet your ASS on that. Keep the faith. I am on a mind bending protocol myself. When I start a scourge of humanity internal rant destined to become a death spiral of a hybrid hubris and self hate- I think 'this crazy talk is why. Ice guys that are attractive and not door mats do exists but they are not trying to love you because of this crazy shit attitude- lets go to Tableau Rossa until reasonable quiet is back in charge of command central instead of itchy little ID. I laughed during your post with the KINDEST, most self recognizing gentle of laughs. Because I have great affection for this forum due to the endless kindness it has offered me, I realized how hard on myself and life I was being through reading your frustrations. I thought to myself 'this sweet honest nice guy could use a break, I hope someone comes along to hold him close despite all of his protests and thrashing about.' the healthy not-unrequited love scorched side of my mind said 'hey you, how about offering yourself that kind of empathy.' I stopped laughing. Drink artificially flavored Peace of Mind until the real thing is something your brain can manufacture for itself. I find it by the case around here. It isn't fake, you are hearing road maps and concern from their wells of acceptance and understanding. That is the therapy when your reserves are dry. Other people cannot fill you back up-the essential ingredient for peaceful acceptance and love is something you have to make yourself. Peace won't live in a conflicted place. It is hard to even get it to visit. But other People reaching out into a safe but unknown space to offer words, empathy, and time to sooth a tattered stranger. There is a humanity here that is somewhat astounding to me, beautiful if you think about it. The most accepting sweet kindness from a group labeled as society's arrogant robots. You have to find beauty where it grows. I am sleepless and drunk as fuck on left over birthday champagne , To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. so there is another place beauty grows. The forum is here for you Black Kettle.
Last edited by Kryptonite; 08-01-2012 at 01:20 PM.
Reason: Spelling spelling spelling. Damn Superflax.....
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Balanced INFPs can argue almost like real people.
To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. But yeah, we tend to react very strongly when our moral values are attacked, especially if it's about generalizing on a certain group of people because Fi is extremely passionate about individuality. That said, I'm an INFP and I agree with you to an extent. Many women are attracted to jerks. Maybe some of them like to be treated badly because of personal issues. Maybe others just find assertiveness sexy, find it simpler not having to deal with emotionally clingy guys and/or like a challenge. Whatever the reasons, it is their choice and who can blame them? It's not like the rest of humanity is somehow entitled to having sex with these girls. Moreover, I don't blame them for staying away from self-proclaimed "nice guys", because they are not an attractive bunch. (About that, To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. said it best.) But back to the point... No, INFPs are not all crazy. We are passionate, instinctive and intuitive - this last adjective not being necessarily flattering. We often feel like we've figured it all out just because our Fi pushes us so hard in a direction that we have trouble even thinking about reconsidering our trajectory. We can be difficult to understand and to love. Our emotions are fleeting and often undecipherable from an exterior perspective. Like any Introvert, our interior world is much more real and important to us than the actual solid reality of the outside world. We often have trouble communicating our deepest feelings. But... We can be smart, fun, loving and even - yes! - responsible people. We have a poetic point of view that others may find refreshing and we can bring lots of joy and surprises to their lives. Not everyone can love an INFP or enjoy a long-term relationship with them. But I assure you, some people can and do, even NTs To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. |
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in my case, merely stating THE FACTS that women, barely evolved primates that they are, (and i'm a male barely evolved primate with my own busted INTJ wiring, i'm very self aware like that) and how breeding for aggression "in the olden days" stuck turning the species into a scum breeding machine squirting out trouble making emotional after trouble making emotional. fuck tact and ass kissing! women deliberately breed with scum. it's not a fucking opinion, it is a fact. call it the alpha male syndrome, nice guys finish last syndrome, bad boy groupie syndrome i'm partial to or whatever. the bottom line is that ALL non INTJs are to be avoided like the poison they are by me for said reason because they ALL piss me off sooner or later, asap in the case of INFJs apparently.
the fuckers really like ganging up on people and triggering the, "the lot of you combined don't scare me, i'll fuck as many of you up as i can before you take me out bitch!" response in just one day of trying to see all those alleged anti-drama and mellow traits the INFJ description falsely paints. many thanks in advance to the INTJs who tried to warn me away in advance about INFJ love of argument. i wasn't hearing it all starry eyed that "these are the goody goodies that are most likely to fight the forces of evil" when they're even more insufferable than ENFPs can be! WOW! i did not see that coming. now i know, only INTJs are worthy of dating and that's only after you get them to reveal just how dark they are as, sorry brothers and sisters, not a fan of INTJ goths and militaries. i just hope i'm not the only far left tree hugging hippy HERE. there's no one else to name as a romantic enemy in my calculatus eliminatus approach to ferreting out ALL of the annoying people to find that one in however many billion planet destroyers there are on this planet to find that one who makes the effort to consciously tune out her bad boy = drip drip drip instinct. i'm going to have to whittle the options down here, somehow, not that i have any as of yet. holy shit! hating that status quo created by emotionals, breeding for the quality of scum must be defended at all costs against ANYONE who would dare speak out against "the group" and simply tell it like it is in the world of INFJs. "stop him! he's trying to make us embrace logic! sound the alarm! sound the alarm! quick, someone call him schizophrenic!' To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. i have absolutely no patience for BS and that's ALL i saw at the some other forum. they've used up more than their one chance to make my FOAD list i give everyone and then some. see, THIS is PRECISELY why i like animals better than people. they don't ACT nice, they either are or they aren't and they want to make sure you know where you stand. hey, i can respect someone straight up telling me they don't like me and in fact prefer it so i know where i stand with any given irrational not to be trusted ever. as the INFJs here blend in, and maybe don't feel the strength in numbers aspect they need to get belligerent to anyone that'd rather die than lie, i'll just ignore the ones here, but will make sure to have a "nah uh! you are most certainly not my type" ready if any try to kick it with me. it's good to know who your enemies are. and here to think i was ready to take an oath under god binding myself to one. it's good to be back home amongst rationals. i'll never run away again! i promise! LOL
OH!!! so that's the scientific explanation why INFJs are so militantly irrational. any attacks on the shortcomings of being ruled by one's emotions (that's MOST people if you're doing the math) are perceived as direct threats to their ancestors and must be dealt with en force. well, they done managed to eliminate logic from yet another corner of the world.
Last edited by zeroemission; 08-01-2012 at 12:55 PM.
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Only qualm I have with that article is that it equivocates "nice guys" to "insecure guys". Douchebags can be insecure too. Not all nice guys are insecure. I'd like to think that I'm a nice guy who isn't always fretting over insecurities - although I do have them, they do not dictate all my behavior.
I did go through the phase of thought "Maybe I need to act more like a pushy asshole?" but women, particularly smart women, see right through that To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Then, of course, there are posts To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. which reassure me that at least some women value intellect above all else. |
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Sounds like she dumped your ass and sued you for the toilet paper she used to wipe you off the bottom of her shoe. |
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