[LiveNotOnEvil]

So I've been questioning lately what type I am as it's difficult for me to assign myself a type because of how often I vacillate between the types. I know with a profound degree of likelihood that I am an In at the very least i.e. Ixxx. The problem is that I've wondered whether I'm anything that falls within this domain before. I can relate to many of the types as well, it just seems that I most directly relate to either INTJ or INTP. Most prominantly on tests I've scored INTJ, followed by ISTJ followed by INTP.
Anyway here's the breakdown: I usually keep an ordered environment in a near-compulsive way (I have OCD as well, more mild these days), but this apparently leads towards an ISxx, however such types tend to defer to institutions, whereas I am about as liberal a person as you'll ever find. I have no problem with gay marriage, I'm an atheist, I don't have faith in anything (in a non-dystopic sense), I merely believe in using the scientific method to analyse and provide evidence for situations. I naturally have a very weird sleep schedule (I usually sleep at around 5 am and get up at 2 pm or so), but I almost always turn up precisely on time to everything I have to, as such I'm very punctual, but fairly reliable and highly trustworthy.
On the other hand I quite like writing poetry, have enjoyed emo music before, but also like classical, baroque, metal and alternative. Basically everything I guess, but more predominantly metal. I assumed maybe I'm an INFJ type because I don't like hurting other people and coz of the music I listen to, but the problem is that when reading the description is seems that INFxs are geared towards bettering relationships and understanding others, wheareas (I don't mean to be rude), but I am fairly apathetic towards others need (unless the person is very close to me) and couldn't care less about improving relationships, if someone doesn't want to be my friend then it's up to them.
I often put things off a lot, which tends to a P, but I also plan things out to the point of actually sometimes writing out schedules of what I should do to use my learning time on the holidays. I don't really like when people disrupt my day by calling me up suddenly, but I will usually aquiesce because I rarely go out as it is. When I get home I usually analyse everything I pretty much did and then worry about the amount of time I wasted which could have been used doing something more productive such as learning, gaming etc. I spend a lot of time doing things I want, which others may look at and consider stupid and recreation (such as gaming), but I consider them to be part of my plan and what I was meant to do.
I'm currently doing research in comp sci and may go on to do a PhD, but that's contingent on multiple factors. I would prefer to work in R&D in comp sci, but would defer to programming as a copasetic alternative. I have been criticised for treating issues with too much logic at times where people have told me to 'stop being so logical and just experience/enjoy things'. I go for walks pretty much every day and every minute that I spend going for walks is time that I spend ruminating, considering my life, thinking about my future, where I'm at, what I'm doing, what I should be doing, planning out the rest of my day etc.
I would love to find a partner who I could spend the rest of my life with and kind of enjoy the idea of romantically pleasing a woman and I enjoy when people perceive me positively. I can often waver in my opinions when people fight me and I can often very quickly criticise myself and wonder if I'm wrong, though I have identified this as a weakness and am trying to remove it altogether at the current time, as I don't like it and a good part of me knows that I shouldn't gaf what other people think. To further confuse this point, people who know me have stated quite clearly before that I can be incredibly stubborn in sticking to my arguments with such certainty that I just don't let go.
Lately I've reserved myself to the idea that I may be too odd/unconventional to ever find someone and if that happens I'm coming to terms with the idea of being alone for life, though I'd prefer not to. This notion of eccentricity is based on the fact that I don't enjoy parties/social gatherings, I don't want to drink because it has detrimental neurological effects, I want to spend my time learning, I spend a hell of a lot of time alone and I don't like a lot of social customs and think they're stupid e.g. I think dating is ridiculous and is nothing more than an unnecessary, ritualistic dance. I tend not to read instruction manuals, as I'd rather assume I know (or would like to try and figure out) how to put something together myself. I don't really like confrontation and would rather avoid it. I very much like controlling things but don't have to explicitly be in control. I love having power over, the ability to manipulate/control things including people.
One of things I commonly do is digress expectations, it's one of the very things people who know me would be familiar with, in other words I like saying things that will make someone think "what the fuck are you talking about?". I also have a quirk where I use stand-ins for real things for amusement purposes when talking to people at times, but this makes it harder for them to understand things so I sometimes avoid it. An example would be "Do you watch the Baird machine much?" i.e. "TV", or if I walk past a few crossdressers I'd say "Wow, there's a lot of John Travoltas around here!" and the other person may find it hard to follow what I'm talking about. I also sometimes like messing with people, especially mentally, just for the fun of it, but hey, who doesn't?

Sorry if the post is a bit long, but I thought I'd need to give an adequate description so that someone could take a more accurate guess if anyone wants to take a stab at it. I can answer additional questions if neccessary.

[Moxiie]

First, you are a very interesting person.

Second, you strike me as an INTP - lot's of Ti and Ne in your post to me, with just hair of Fe in there.

[LiveNotOnEvil]

	Originally Posted by Moxiie To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	First, you are a very interesting person.

Thank you
To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

	Originally Posted by Moxiie To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Second, you strike me as an INTP - lot's of Ti and Ne in your post to me, with just hair of Fe in there.

Yes, I was wondering about this lately because the descriptions that I have seen of an INTP (in some slight ways) seemed more accurate to me than an INTJ, however I seem to come up more prevalently as an INTJ on tests.

[Moxiie]

I found this site to be fairly remarkable in its descriptions - have you seen it?


To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


Lot's of INTJ's I know test very, very low on J. I have this theory that many INTJ's are INTP's who have learned J functioning - they tend to be in academia.

To me, as a Ne dom, I recognize and resonate with Ne almost instantly in that I can follow that weird Ne logic/relationship path between disparate things.

[LiveNotOnEvil]

Originally Posted by Moxiie To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I found this site to be fairly remarkable in its descriptions - have you seen it? To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Lot's of INTJ's I know test very, very low on J. I have this theory that many INTJ's are INTP's who have learned J functioning - they tend to be in academia. To me, as a Ne dom, I recognize and resonate with Ne almost instantly in that I can follow that weird Ne logic/relationship path between disparate things.

I hadn't seen that site before, the problem is that directs me more towards an INTJ perspective, based on things such as this:

"INTJs can make for good storytellers. Like INFJs, they enjoy employing stories, metaphors, and examples from popular culture (Se) to help illustrate abstract concepts or ideas. This represents a point of difference from their INTP counterparts, who, while witty, are generally poor at delivering stories or jokes. "

which explicitly represents what I do, however both the descrips of INTJ and INTP seem very close to me.

[painfulltruf]

You don't decide what you are, the test does.

[LiveNotOnEvil]

	Originally Posted by painfulltruf To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	You don't decide what you are, the test does.

But the test is ultimately me deciding what I am

[Ender]

I recommend studying the cognitive functions.


To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


Try not to focus too much on the minutiae - unless you're really into them, which might say something about what personality you are - and try to get a look at the underlying processes beneath your thoughts and actions. If this forum is any indication, there is a lot of behavioral variance in INTJs, but there are also underlying patterns that can be observed even among those who differ. The same undoubtedly applies to the other types.

[LiveNotOnEvil]

Originally Posted by Ender To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I recommend studying the cognitive functions. To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Try not to focus too much on the minutiae - unless you're really into them, which might say something about what personality you are - and try to get a look at the underlying processes beneath your thoughts and actions. If this forum is any indication, there is a lot of behavioral variance in INTJs, but there are also underlying patterns that can be observed even among those who differ. The same undoubtedly applies to the other types.

If I knew them in detail, I wouldn't be asking other people, if you catch my drift.

[reckful]

You sound very INT to me. I'd be surprised if you're an S. I get somewhat mixed signals on J/P, and I don't really know how to factor your OCD into the type analysis.

Contrary to a lot of forumites (but consistent with quite a bit of MBTI and Big Five data, as I understand it), I think it's possible to be either in the middle on J/P or sufficiently close to the middle that INTx is arguably a better label than either INTJ or INTP would be.

For more from me on J vs. P (and whether you can be an INTx), see
To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
and the posts it links to.

[TheObserver]

	Originally Posted by LiveNotOnEvil To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	But the test is ultimately me deciding what I am

Exactly.

[LiveNotOnEvil]

	Originally Posted by TheObserver To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Exactly.

But other more experienced people's advice based on my own knowledge would be most accurate
To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

[Ender]

	Originally Posted by LiveNotOnEvil To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	If I knew them in detail, I wouldn't be asking other people, if you catch my drift.

I do. But personally, I can't help you much without knowing you really well in person. Problem is, most of your descriptions of yourself are how you view yourself, not necessarily how you would look if I viewed you in action.

My intuition says you're an INTJ that is having a deep moment of trying to understand yourself, and, perhaps, misunderstanding some personality theory in the process (for example, liking poetry can easily be a product of an inferior function, such as Fi) -- but my intuition has been wrong on plenty of occasions.

The reason I suggested studying the cognitive functions is that by gaining a more complete understanding of the MBTI and related theories, you will likely obtain a more clear picture of what rings true to yourself and what does not. I know that when I was initially studying the MBTI, there were numerous aspects of it that I just didn't "get" and nothing short of additional life experience, and increased self-awareness, made those things clear.

[Badger]

The test tells you which state of ‘you’ you prefer, which one is natural, not necessarily how you act. How you act is decided by you. You may have recognized your own weaknesses and developed or compensated for them making you very well rounded. But again, the test shows you the state you prefer. I can fake being an extrovert, I prefer being an introvert. The action I decide, the preference I don’t.

[LiveNotOnEvil]

Originally Posted by Ender To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I do. But personally, I can't help you much without knowing you really well in person. Problem is, most of your descriptions of yourself are how you view yourself, not necessarily how you would look if I viewed you in action. My intuition says you're an INTJ that is having a deep moment of trying to understand yourself, and, perhaps, misunderstanding some personality theory in the process (for example, liking poetry can easily be a product of an inferior function, such as Fi) -- but my intuition has been wrong on plenty of occasions. The reason I suggested studying the cognitive functions is that by gaining a more complete understanding of the MBTI and related theories, you will likely obtain a more clear picture of what rings true to yourself and what does not. I know that when I was initially studying the MBTI, there were numerous aspects of it that I just didn't "get" and nothing short of additional life experience, and increased self-awareness, made those things clear.

Hmm, I suppose that is a point, but it would take me a while to go over them and even then I wouldn't know how subjective I was being.

Originally Posted by Badger To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

The test tells you which state of ‘you’ you prefer, which one is natural, not necessarily how you act. How you act is decided by you. You may have recognized your own weaknesses and developed or compensated for them making you very well rounded. But again, the test shows you the state you prefer. I can fake being an extrovert, I prefer being an introvert. The action I decide, the preference I don’t.

That's true.

[painfulltruf]

	Originally Posted by LiveNotOnEvil To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	But the test is ultimately me deciding what I am

Does the grasshopper decide if he's a grasshopper or the scientist that has labeled him so?

Your opinion has nothing to do with the self test process and adding up the results at the end, although many here that routinely pound round blocks into square holes would feel sympathy for your position.

[LiveNotOnEvil]

	Originally Posted by painfulltruf To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Does the grasshopper decide if he's a grasshopper or the scientist that has labeled him so?

Neither, the grasshopper's essence is innate, the label of being the grasshopper is merely a label we use to easily describe what the attributes that a grasshopper embodies.

	Originally Posted by painfulltruf To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Your opinion has nothing to do with the self test process and adding up the results at the end, although many here that routinely pound round blocks into square holes would feel sympathy for your position.

I disagree and where is the sympathy in my position? This is not a life or death scenario, it is merely some other forumasting a vague description to a person.

[thebrainpolice]

Originally Posted by LiveNotOnEvil To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Don't forget that you could quit work and live off of their pension, use most of it for yourself and buy only the bare essentials for them. You could also make use of their handicap to park in the special handicapped spaces, which would be a real plus. Moreover, you could cheat on them as much as you wanted because they would never willingly leave you, knowing that they could never do any better. Finally, if they had a significant disability you could probably get power of attorney over them, so when you were done using them you could just get them euthenised. Those are the major benefits that come to mind, so it might just be worth taking a trip down to the local disabled centre to see whether I can pick up any bargains.

Dude, you can put a capital T in you're MBTI type.
To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

[Badger]

And you can burn the F.

[obnoxious]

Tentatively ill put forth that you're INFJ. I offer my condolences (jk, INFJs are not feely and irksome.. just very complex, like you (especially so when dealing with something like MBTI which paints with broad strokes and disregards complexities... like economists who fiercely subscribe to only one 'established' theory :P)

Why? Because you identify things by Je function: what's P, why labels such as athiest contribute to your argument of not functioning as ISxx types have been Je defined, etc.*

Your thoughts revolve around your meta-happiness and what that means in the context of your lot in life, you have proably acknowledged quite thoruoughly the social mores of your locale and reject them by Ti'ing your NiFe understanding. Fe is recognized as a yearning to disconnect from those you don't Fe-approve of as much as connecting with those whom you do

You definitely have well developed Ti, which can give the NiFe an Ne-like flavor, but as an example your travolta cross dressing joke was developed by NIFe because travolta has never really cross dressed right? Your understanding of pop culture has led you to identify travolta's 'Fe label' in the context of pop culture, and CREATE an Ni relationship that is unobvious to the situation.


INTJ: looks like the cast of rocky horror picture show (objective Te identification of the functionality of such outfits, with the same Se pop culture twist.. ntoice though that the T in INTJ does not concern itself with people imposed functionality labels ((Ni)Fe) aka travolta would not be the butt of a Te joke until they had something more solid to go on than 'i know of other people who agree with the label lololol')


INTP: look at that guy, with that fro and his white jump suit he kind of looks like a tootsie roll pop. Is that a fetish of some kind (Ti trying to CREATE a reason to explain this Ne IDENTIFIED relationship that anyone walking with the INTP would be able to recognize with no explanation, unlike Ni CREATED relationships)? I wonder what's hidden in the center of that one lolol


Or another eg: you identfied the function of the phone ringing during the day as an interruption, and that abstracted Je recognized function is the definition of subjective (introverted) perception. An Ne user runs to pick up the phone because while the past 1000 calls have simply been interruptions, this next one is representative of possibility unknown; not a disruption to the day but an interesting twist.**

to verify any of this further you could write up maybe 1000*words on your favorite topic, as if giving a lecture to blank slates. Use metaphor, examples, reason, and include any novel ideas or takes on the subject you may have and how you arrived at them.

Guaranteed with that we'd be able to type you accurately because my model has proved consistent for those to whom I've applied it (a priori definitions that turned out to be verifiable, mmm just what is needed)*

Don't listen to almost anyone else here, they're inconstistent and I'm beating my head against the keyboard that I'm bothering to jump back in the pool.

---------- Post added 07-25-2012 at 01:54 PM ----------

Actually I guess John travolta has been a female in a few movies.. doesn't make me wrong though, I'd still like to see the article if you could be bothered

---------- Post added 07-25-2012 at 01:55 PM ----------

Actually I guess John travolta has been a female in a few movies.. doesn't make me wrong though, I'd still like to see the article if you could be bothered

[LiveNotOnEvil]

	Originally Posted by thebrainpolice To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Dude, you can put a capital T in you're MBTI type. To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Still considering it, but it's leaning that way
To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

	Originally Posted by Badger To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	And you can burn the F.

Are you sure?

	Originally Posted by obnoxious To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Tentatively ill put forth that you're INFJ. I offer my condolences (jk, INFJs are not feely and irksome.. just very complex, like you (especially so when dealing with something like MBTI which paints with broad strokes and disregards complexities... like economists who fiercely subscribe to only one 'established' theory :P)

Yes, that was why I found this difficult to place, because I also have F traits, but just don't mesh all that well with a few of the attributes of the type.

	Originally Posted by obnoxious To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Why? Because you identify things by Je function: what's P, why labels such as athiest contribute to your argument of not functioning as ISxx types have been Je defined, etc.*

As I said, I'm no expert, that's why I'm asking
To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

	Originally Posted by obnoxious To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Your thoughts revolve around your meta-happiness and what that means in the context of your lot in life, you have proably acknowledged quite thoruoughly the social mores of your locale and reject them by Ti'ing your NiFe understanding. Fe is recognized as a yearning to disconnect from those you don't Fe-approve of as much as connecting with those whom you do

Sounds fairly accurate.

	Originally Posted by obnoxious To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	You definitely have well developed Ti, which can give the NiFe an Ne-like flavor, but as an example your travolta cross dressing joke was developed by NIFe because travolta has never really cross dressed right? Your understanding of pop culture has led you to identify travolta's 'Fe label' in the context of pop culture, and CREATE an Ni relationship that is unobvious to the situation.

He has cross-dressed, which is explicitly what makes it humorous. His wife left him because of that and other homosexual issues I believe.
Oh hai!

To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Originally Posted by obnoxious To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

INTJ: looks like the cast of rocky horror picture show (objective Te identification of the functionality of such outfits, with the same Se pop culture twist.. ntoice though that the T in INTJ does not concern itself with people imposed functionality labels ((Ni)Fe) aka travolta would not be the butt of a Te joke until they had something more solid to go on than 'i know of other people who agree with the label lololol') INTP: look at that guy, with that fro and his white jump suit he kind of looks like a tootsie roll pop. Is that a fetish of some kind (Ti trying to CREATE a reason to explain this Ne IDENTIFIED relationship that anyone walking with the INTP would be able to recognize with no explanation, unlike Ni CREATED relationships)? I wonder what's hidden in the center of that one lolol Or another eg: you identfied the function of the phone ringing during the day as an interruption, and that abstracted Je recognized function is the definition of subjective (introverted) perception. An Ne user runs to pick up the phone because while the past 1000 calls have simply been interruptions, this next one is representative of possibility unknown; not a disruption to the day but an interesting twist.**

Interesting.

Originally Posted by obnoxious To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

to verify any of this further you could write up maybe 1000*words on your favorite topic, as if giving a lecture to blank slates. Use metaphor, examples, reason, and include any novel ideas or takes on the subject you may have and how you arrived at them. Guaranteed with that we'd be able to type you accurately because my model has proved consistent for those to whom I've applied it (a priori definitions that turned out to be verifiable, mmm just what is needed)* Don't listen to almost anyone else here, they're inconstistent and I'm beating my head against the keyboard that I'm bothering to jump back in the pool.

Haha, you seem very sure of yourself
To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


---------- Post added 07-25-2012 at 01:54 PM ----------

	Originally Posted by obnoxious To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Actually I guess John travolta has been a female in a few movies.. doesn't make me wrong though, I'd still like to see the article if you could be bothered

Posted above.

[Chameleon]

Write three random things below:

[LiveNotOnEvil]

	Originally Posted by Chameleon To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Write three random things below:

Really? Um...
- Cows like monkeys and penguins steal the sun.
- I fight the people of stagnant republiville who miscellany...sasaabelehds *brain melt*
- What time do apes come home from work at?

[Chameleon]

	Originally Posted by LiveNotOnEvil To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Really? Um... - Cows like monkeys and penguins steal the sun. - I fight the people of stagnant republiville who miscellany...sasaabelehds *brain melt* - What time do apes come home from work at?

Why did I have you do that?

[LiveNotOnEvil]

	Originally Posted by Chameleon To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Why did I have you do that?

To see me responding in a spontaneous manner?
Is even my questioning of this and your subsequent questioning (if any) determining my type?
If I didn't question you would it make me another type?
To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.