[titi monkey]

	Originally Posted by Bardas To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	...It was a massive, record-breaking attendance fueled by irrational hatred for a minority.

Paranoid much?

You think (or should I say feel) that everyone who supports traditional marriage hates gays?

[larkin]

	Originally Posted by newtome To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Explain that to the Jews who lost their businesses not because they broke laws but because they were Jews. NOW, you want to do the same to anyone who has a anti-gay view. But you can't see the similarities?

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	Makes one wonder who the Nazis really are. The sad reality of this entire farce is the simple facts that one group of people doesn't/didn't like what another group said, and one of the groups wrongly threatened the other group. The group that made the threats got called to the carpet on it and now the groups supporters refuse/fail to see that they were in the wrong.

Fucking ridiculous, truly. Every single one of these arguments. I don't give a shit because they're Christian; I give a shit because they support denying me my civil rights.

In short, they hate me for who I am, and I hate them for hating me. So which one are the Jews and which one are the Nazis in these absurd, Godwin-defying analogies?

So congratulations: you both just made the argument that Jews who supported a boycott of a business that would send them to the gas chambers are being "intolerant" of the "anti-Jew" view.

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	I suspect people like those in this forum who are vocally against chik have helped them make millions of dollars in the last few days. I know my coworkers are making it a point to go there.

And you took it a step farther by supporting the viewpoints of such fat, backward, pathetic sacks of shit. Unsurprising.

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Oh, that's right; it's illegal. If you don't hire any gays, that's called "tyranny", even though it's perfectly okay for gays to start their own businesses themselves and practice the same discriminatory policies. There would nothing wrong for a "women owned" company to only hire females either, yet we seem to be living in some kind of bizarre twilight-zone of state-managed association between human beings.

Please, of course it would be illegal if any business only hired gays or women. What twilight-zone alternate legal reality are your posts living in? Ones where the false reality justifies your worldview?

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I'm not that great at conspiracy theories, but it is true that there are wealthy people who genuinely care about injustices against gays. It is true, for example, that laws have been made in some states that punish homosexual behavior. Rightfully so, these laws ought to be abolished. But the "gay issue" at hand is more than that now; it's about whether it's okay to force Jim to pay for Sally's social-engineering. In other words, "gay rights" has been transformed from an arena of liberty to one of class warfare.

Yep. My right to get married - same as heterosexuals - is "class warfare." That totally makes sense, like most of what you post.

	Originally Posted by titi monkey To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	You think (or should I say feel) that everyone who supports traditional marriage hates gays?

Yes, we "feel" and you "think" your way into supporting "traditional marriage," just the same way you "thought" your way into supporting transubstantiation or snake-handling or whatever other absurd cult practices - I'm sorry, "traditions" - you blindly adhere to.

That said, I couldn't care less what "people who support traditional marriage" think of me personally. They oppose me having the same rights that they do, and living the same life that they do. Ergo, fuck them all. Sincerely.

[Autumnleaf]

Originally Posted by Traverser To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Heh. Why not just start your own sandwhich business, compete against Chik-Fil-A, not lobby, and refuse to hire any gays? Oh, that's right; it's illegal. If you don't hire any gays, that's called "tyranny", even though it's perfectly okay for gays to start their own businesses themselves and practice the same discriminatory policies. There would nothing wrong for a "women owned" company to only hire females either, yet we seem to be living in some kind of bizarre twilight-zone of state-managed association between human beings. At least, at the business level, but what if this creeps into personal relationships? Eventually, if it gets bad enough, no one will want to associate with anyone for fear of violence. The economic ignorance is astounding.

Right. Gays enjoy a protected status in the political realm. That didn't happen because all of the sudden Joe and Jane America decided it would. It didn't happen because gay people decided to push for their rights, this chikfila fiasco is what that looks like when gay people push for something. What happened is money exchanged hands and political pressure opened doors in the corridors of power.

I'm not that great at conspiracy theories, but it is true that there are wealthy people who genuinely care about injustices against gays. It is true, for example, that laws have been made in some states that punish homosexual behavior. Rightfully so, these laws ought to be abolished. But the "gay issue" at hand is more than that now; it's about whether it's okay to force Jim to pay for Sally's social-engineering. In other words, "gay rights" has been transformed from an arena of liberty to one of class warfare. I don't think I have to describe it any further for you understand where that leads us next...

Maybe. I think its part of a divide and conquer strategy. I'm dismayed at so many people taking this so seriously when its an obvious issue where their chains are being yanked on both sides of the argument.

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	Originally Posted by larkin To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	And you took it a step farther by supporting the viewpoints of such fat, backward, pathetic sacks of shit. Unsurprising.

Both sides are off base in this argument. Both are puppets smacking each other with rubber mallets. I'm pointing at the guy behind the curtain as you beat away at your caricature opponent.

[larkin]

	Originally Posted by Autumnleaf To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Right. Gays enjoy a protected status in the political realm. That didn't happen because all of the sudden Joe and Jane America decided it would. It didn't happen because gay people decided to push for their rights, this chikfila fiasco is what that looks like when gay people push for something. What happened is money exchanged hands and political pressure opened doors in the corridors of power.

More alternate reality fantasy. In your world, "Chick Fil-A appreciation day" happened because gay people are too uppity, and clearly don't know their place - and thank fucking god, because you might actually have to deal with an actual gay person. In your world, Christians are persecuted by gays. In the real world, gays are beaten, behavior criminalized, rights routinely denied, relationships delegitimized or legislated away.

These arguments are beyond embarrassing.

	Originally Posted by Autumnleaf To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Both sides are off base in this argument. Both are puppets smacking each other with rubber mallets. I'm pointing at the guy behind the curtain as you beat away at your caricature opponent.

Your arguments are in caricature, true, but that doesn't make them any less damaging. I didn't invent the effect they have. Deny it all you want, because you don't have to live with it. You casually nod your head at the sacks of shit who support making sure I can't have a family by buying chicken - whatever makes you not have to witness the unpleasant spectacle of two men kissing! - and pretend your offensive views don't have an impact, but those that live with the impact don't have that luxury.

[Autumnleaf]

Originally Posted by larkin To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

More alternate reality fantasy. In your world, "Chick Fil-A appreciation day" happened because gay people are too uppity, and clearly don't know their place - and thank fucking god, because you might actually have to deal with an actual gay person. In your world, Christians are persecuted by gays. In the real world, gays are beaten, behavior criminalized, rights routinely denied, relationships delegitimized or legislated away. These arguments are beyond embarrassing.

You remind me of one of my coworkers. She was just as sure you are about how right she was to insist on getting chikfila the other day.

In my world different groups of people are used against each other by people who control what we see on television and hear on radio. You and my coworkers are part of that world. As am I. I just seem to see things a bit differently than most other people.

[newtome]

Originally Posted by larkin To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Yes, we "feel" and you "think" your way into supporting "traditional marriage," just the same way you "thought" your way into supporting transubstantiation or snake-handling or whatever other absurd cult practices - I'm sorry, "traditions" - you blindly adhere to. That said, I couldn't care less what "people who support traditional marriage" think of me personally. They oppose me having the same rights that they do, and living the same life that they do. Ergo, fuck them all. Sincerely.

If that is how little traditions mean to you why do you want to be part of it? Is it to prove a point to all the hetrosexuals? or do you truly want to marry someone? It can't be about the legal recognition and rights that go with marriage because if that was all you wanted, and you gave up the push for the term marriage, then you could figuratively have it tomorrow. Or is it because a piece of meaningless legislation says others can use the term marriage and you want it too, even though fighting that fight will take years when you could achieve the legal rights so easily and fight for the title of marriage another day.

Seriously, don't even bother responding, we talked this through before and I can't be bothered.

[Autumnleaf]

Originally Posted by larkin To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Your arguments are in caricature, true, but that doesn't make them any less damaging. I didn't invent the effect they have. Deny it all you want, because you don't have to live with it. You casually nod your head at the sacks of shit who support making sure I can't have a family by buying chicken - whatever makes you not have to witness the unpleasant spectacle of two men kissing! - and pretend your offensive views don't have an impact, but those that live with the impact don't have that luxury.

You are not going to have a family because somebody bought some chicken? Did I miss something? You are getting emotional about people having a different opinion than you do. If you want to give them that kind of power over you then keep it up.

If it makes you feel better, you should know they think gays are trying to force their opinions on them and they don't like it either.

As for me. I just watch and shake my head.

"Opinions are like assholes. Everybody's got one."

[larkin]

	Originally Posted by Autumnleaf To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	You remind me of one of my coworkers. She was just as sure you are about how right she was to insist on getting chikfila the other day.

Except, again, I'm doing it to have a life, and she's doing it to tell me I can't.

	Originally Posted by Autumnleaf To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	You are not going to have a family because somebody bought some chicken? Did I miss something? You are getting emotional about people having a different opinion than you do. If you want to give them that kind of power over you then keep it up.

Absolutely. How many millions did Chick Fil-A give to organizations who actively lobby to deny it? Don't play even dumber now.

	Originally Posted by Autumnleaf To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	If it makes you feel better, you should know they think gays are trying to force their opinions on them and they don't like it either.

I really don't care what they think about my opposition to attempts to legislate my life away.

	Originally Posted by Autumnleaf To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	In my world different groups of people are used against each other by people who control what we see on television and hear on radio. You and my coworkers are part of that world. As am I. I just seem to see things a bit differently than most other people.

Please, earlier in the thread you went on and on about how you just didn't want to see gay people. You were fine if they lived somewhere. Else. But yeah, you're totally just thinking different, Plato.

	Originally Posted by newtome To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	If that is how little traditions mean to you why do you want to be part of it? Is it to prove a point to all the hetrosexuals? or do you truly want to marry someone?

I don't need to justify why I deserve the same rights as you, much less your fucking permission.

[Autumnleaf]

	Originally Posted by larkin To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Except, again, I'm doing it to have a life, and she's doing it to tell me I can't.

That seems to tear you up inside. I'm sorry you take her so seriously.

	Please, earlier in the thread you went on and on about how you just didn't want to see gay people. You were fine if they lived somewhere. Else. But yeah, you're totally just thinking different, Plato.

I don't want to see gay people making out. I don't want to see straight people making out in public either. If you are into that then good luck with it.

[larkin]

	Originally Posted by Autumnleaf To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	That seems to tear you up inside. I'm sorry you take her so seriously.

Stop. She means it seriously. DOMA isn't real? The North Carolina amendment isn't real? This isn't exactly what you and her and chick fil-a support? Stop pretending this happens in a vacuum, and it doesn't have an effect on actual human beings. What a fucking cowardly argument.

	Originally Posted by Autumnleaf To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I don't want to see gay people making out. I don't want to see straight people making out in public either. If you are into that then good luck with it.

Yep, an "equal opportunity" distaste for PDA I'm sure, which is why you brought it up on this thread. That makes sense.

[Autumnleaf]

	Originally Posted by larkin To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Stop. She means it seriously. DOMA isn't real? The North Carolina amendment isn't real? This isn't exactly what you and her and chick fil-a support? Stop pretending this happens in a vacuum, and it doesn't have an effect on actual human beings. What a fucking cowardly argument.

She is real. She doesn't care about gay people. She doesn't care about you. You could have 20 kids and get married and have gay sex every day and twice on Sunday and she wouldn't give a flying fuck. But, some gay people threatened a Christian business that said marriage is between one man and one woman and she knows that is right so she had to be among the crowd to show her support.

	Yep, an "equal opportunity" distaste for PDA I'm sure, which is why you brought it up on this thread. That makes sense.

Gay people said they were going to do that at chikfila. They brought it up.

What you don't realize is how little people care about you until you piss in their cheerios.

[newtome]

	Originally Posted by larkin To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	You casually nod your head at the sacks of shit who support making sure I can't have a family by buying chicken - whatever makes you not have to witness the unpleasant spectacle of two men kissing! - and pretend your offensive views don't have an impact, but those that live with the impact don't have that luxury.

	Originally Posted by larkin To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Except, again, I'm doing it to have a life, and she's doing it to tell me I can't.

For the first time I actually feel sorry for you, not because of what you are denied but because you seem to think that State validation of your relationship will magically give you something you clearly already have. The State can't give you love or a family if it doesn't already exist. The title of married wont change that either. If you don't already feel that then nothing the courts or legislators do will change that.

[Bardas]

	Well I guess you weren't protesting. Plenty of people had to walk through the protestors including posters on this forum.

I live in a town without its own franchise. Interesting you're prepared to insult me for not attending, while if I had, I would be oppressing Christians in a manner analogous to Nazis oppressing Jews.

	My arguement hasn't changed. A Mayor made a fool of himself but the Gay community didn't call him a jerk, they just kept raising the bar to a nationwide boycott. The Jews of Germany quietly accepted the injustice, the christians of America seem like they wont.

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Just wow.

	Read Autumnleaf's post above. The christians and families of America responded to the LGBT trashing of their values. They will tolerate your quest for equality but don't trash their values.

Source?

	It wasn't about hatred of a minority. Not everything in life means that everyone hates you. You trashed their values and they quietly spoke by buying a meal at a particular chain of food outlets. They weren't oppressing you, asking you to leave town, for people to send you broke.

This whole movement was supporting anti-gay sentiment, and to pretend otherwise is just fucking pesky, really.

	Yep, no one was doing that to a christian business owner were they.

Since you failed to provide a source for this militant response you speak of, I'm going to assume you were pulling it out of your ass until proven otherwise. Withholding money is not oppression. Stop acting the victim and learn to acknowledge the real world.

	Originally Posted by titi monkey To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Paranoid much? You think (or should I say feel) that everyone who supports traditional marriage hates gays?

EUPHEMISMS! EUPHEMISMS EVERYWHERE!

[larkin]

	Originally Posted by Autumnleaf To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	She is real. She doesn't care about gay people. She doesn't care about you. You could have 20 kids and get married and have gay sex every day and twice on Sunday and she wouldn't give a flying fuck. But, some gay people threatened a Christian business that said marriage is between one man and one woman and she knows that is right so she had to be among the crowd to show her support.

An organization that actively lobbies to keep me from getting married and adopting kids. So yeah, she does care if "I had 20 kids or got married." Stop pretending she doesn't, and this is just about her, or Chick Fil-A, fucking being Christian.

	Originally Posted by Autumnleaf To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	What you don't realize is how little people care about you until you piss in their cheerios.

So stop lobbying against gay marriage. Again, a fundamental and quite purposeful inability to see whose life is actually being affected.

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For the first time I actually feel sorry for you, not because of what you are denied but because you seem to think that State validation of your relationship will magically give you something you clearly already have. The State can't give you love or a family if it doesn't already exist. The title of married wont change that either. If you don't already feel that then nothing the courts or legislators do will change that.

For the last time: the state can absolutely deny me the right to adopt kids, or a million other rights that come with marriage. Sincerely, what a fucking coward's argument to pretend your position, and the lobbying you're actively supporting or enabling, won't have exactly the effect that's intended. Would you make this argument if the state were telling a black and a white person they couldn't get married? It's pathetic.

[Arcanist]

Wow, the display here is just fucking disgusting. Welcome to "Christian" America.

[vampyroteuthis]

Originally Posted by newtome To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

For the first time I actually feel sorry for you, not because of what you are denied but because you seem to think that State validation of your relationship will magically give you something you clearly already have. The State can't give you love or a family if it doesn't already exist. The title of married wont change that either. If you don't already feel that then nothing the courts or legislators do will change that.

Get rid of straight marriage, then.

[Autumnleaf]

	Originally Posted by larkin To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	An organization that actively lobbies to keep me from getting married and adopting kids. So yeah, she does care if "I had 20 kids or got married." Stop pretending she doesn't, and this is just about her, or Chick Fil-A, fucking being Christian.

You are giving her more credit than she deserves. You are treating her like a symbol instead of as the person she is. You aren't that important to her. I know that is hard to understand.

	So stop lobbying against gay marriage. Again, a fundamental and quite purposeful inability to see whose life is actually being affected.

I'm not a lobbyist, but don't let the truth get in the way of assigning blame.

How has your life been affected other than you flying off the handle at an abstract enemy?

or the last time: the state can absolutely deny me the right to adopt kids, or a million other rights that come with marriage. Sincerely, what a fucking coward's argument to pretend your position, and the lobbying you're actively supporting or enabling, won't have exactly the effect that's intended. Would you make this argument if the state were telling a black and a white person they couldn't get married? It's pathetic.[

I'm confused. I thought we were talking about a chicken selling business that is making money off of animosity between gay people and Christians. Are you suggesting the chicken restaurant has the government in its back pocket and poses a serious threat to your ability to adopt children or get married?

You know what. All you and people like you are doing by attacking is making profits for a chicken restaurant who has a loud mouth owner. Why are you doing that when silently playing the victim was working so well for your cause?

[INTJRyan]

My co-workers told me the people eating chik fil a out of spite are hypocritical pricks who should be feeding the hungry and clothing the poor, stuff Jesus actually told them to do, with that money instead of using it to support bigotry and hate that Jesus never bothered to mention. It's not my opinion; just my co-worker's. That I'll passionately defend on a debate forum. But not me.

You would think there wouldn't be a tree in sight what with all the crosses modern Christians hang themselves on. Lucky for them there aren't more lions around.

[larkin]

	Originally Posted by Autumnleaf To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	You are giving her more credit than she deserves. You are treating her like a symbol instead of as the person she is. You aren't that important to her. I know that is hard to understand.

Why shouldn't I treat her as she and the rest behaves? She doesn't think I'm a person deserving of the same rights she has; that's not very hard to understand.

	Originally Posted by Autumnleaf To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	How has your life been affected other than you flying off the handle at an abstract enemy? [associated pathetic arguments pretending gay people can get married and adopt kids, and we're all just making this shit up]

And good lord, I'm not going to explain it again. See what you want to see, but your posts are embarrassing.

[Autumnleaf]

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My co-workers told me the people eating chik fil a out of spite are hypocritical pricks who should be feeding the hungry and clothing the poor, stuff Jesus actually told them to do, with that money instead of using it to support bigotry and hate that Jesus never bothered to mention. It's not my opinion; just my co-worker's. That I'll passionately defend on a debate forum. But not me. You would think there wouldn't be a tree in sight what with all the crosses modern Christians hang themselves on. Lucky for them there aren't more lions around.

Its silly to cry about getting stung by wasps if you stir up their nest. Those damn wasps! They stung me! They should be out doing wasp things instead of stinging me! I'll show them! I'll swat them and then they will know better than to mess with me the next time I kick their nest.

[newtome]

	Originally Posted by Bardas To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Interesting you're prepared to insult me for not attending, while if I had, I would be oppressing Christians in a manner analogous to Nazis oppressing Jews.

I wasn't trying to insult you, if you had been protesting then you would have been aware of the protests, nothing more.

	Originally Posted by Bardas To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Source? This whole movement was supporting anti-gay sentiment, and to pretend otherwise is just fucking pesky, really. Since you failed to provide a source for this militant response you speak of, I'm going to assume you were pulling it out of your ass until proven otherwise. Withholding money is not oppression. Stop acting the victim and learn to acknowledge the real world.

Sources
A simple google search gives pictures of the non-protests.

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They are so anti-gay that they emloy gays, who would think. And a quote from the article about the protests that didn't happen.

One gay employee who works at Chick-fil-A headquarters in Atlanta, Ga., and asked to remain anonymous for fear of losing his job, says he is getting it from both sides. On the one hand, there is the customer who came in and said he supported Dan Cathy and then "continues to say something truly homophobic, e.g. 'I'm so glad you don't support the queers, I can eat in peace,'" the employee, who is 23 and has worked for Chick-fil-A since he was 16, wrote in an email. On the other hand, he continued, "I was yelled at for being a god-loving, conservative, homophobic Christian while walking some food out to a guest in a mall dining room.

And someone even created this website

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But to show that it wasn't all anti-gay

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	Walker said he chose to eat at the restaurant Wednesday "in support of free speech" and waited 40 minutes to receive his order.

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An organization that actively lobbies to keep me from getting married and adopting kids. So yeah, she does care if "I had 20 kids or got married." Stop pretending she doesn't, and this is just about her, or Chick Fil-A, fucking being Christian. For the last time: the state can absolutely deny me the right to adopt kids, or a million other rights that come with marriage. Sincerely, what a fucking coward's argument to pretend your position, and the lobbying you're actively supporting or enabling, won't have exactly the effect that's intended. Would you make this argument if the state were telling a black and a white person they couldn't get married? It's pathetic.

I have advocated for equal rights time and again. I don't understand why you can't adopt. You should have every right that a married couple should have. If the Black and White persons were both of the same sex then yes I would make the same arguement, but I would also argue for them to be given equal rights.

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	Get rid of straight marriage, then.

I have also advocated for this on another thread so yes, that's fine, I think the term marriage should be left for the church.

[Autumnleaf]

	Originally Posted by larkin To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Why shouldn't I treat her as she and the rest behaves? She doesn't think I'm a person deserving of the same rights she has; that's not very hard to understand. And good lord, I'm not going to explain it again. See what you want to see, but your posts are embarrassing.

She thinks marriage is between a man and a woman. That is what she was taught. She thinks people who disagree with her are wrong.

I didn't mean to embarrass you.

[Kisai]

	Originally Posted by titi monkey To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	You think (or should I say feel) that everyone who supports traditional marriage hates gays?

Pretty much. To deny someone equal rights is to delegate them to second-class citizen status, which can only exist if you feel that they are inferior, incapable of making decisions, not tolerated, don't know their place, GTFO....

[larkin]

	Originally Posted by Autumnleaf To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Its silly to cry about getting stung by wasps if you stir up their nest. Those damn wasps! They stung me! They should be out doing wasp things instead of stinging me! I'll show them! I'll swat them and then they will know better than to mess with me the next time I kick their nest.

So wanting to get married is kicking your nest. Got it.

	Originally Posted by Autumnleaf To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	She thinks marriage is between a man and a woman. That is what she was taught. She thinks people who disagree with her are wrong. [...] I didn't mean to embarrass you.

More pathetic excuses. "This is what she was taught"? I was taught black people and white people shouldn't get married. And I'm going to continue promoting this fixed false belief at their expense because I can't think beyond third fucking grade.

[vampyroteuthis]

	Originally Posted by newtome To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I have also advocated for this on another thread so yes, that's fine, I think the term marriage should be left for the church.

I haven't read and/or don't remember your opinions from another thread. I'm fine with this as long as marriage is then stripped of all the legal rights and entitlements currently attached to it. Are you?

What I don't understand is how this standpoint turns into you shaming and patronizing us for wanting equal rights instead of making this very point you apparently agree with.