[tp6626]

I would posit that our desires today are much less extremist or 'depraved' than those throughout history. The only difference today is that our technology enables more effective transmission of these things than was possible in the past.

I'm sure a roman soldier would have thought nothing of raping a woman at the side of the road in broad day light. Had they had the internet back then, he may have posted it to boast of his 'extravagance' to his friends. This could have been a common occurrence. The 'extreme' things that we have today would seem no where near extreme compared to things from the past.

[invicta]

Originally Posted by tp6626 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I would posit that our desires today are much less extremist or 'depraved' than those throughout history. The only difference today is that our technology enables more effective transmission of these things than was possible in the past. I'm sure a roman soldier would have thought nothing of raping a woman at the side of the road in broad day light. Had they had the internet back then, he may have posted it to boast of his 'extravagance' to his friends. This could have been a common occurrence. The 'extreme' things that we have today would seem no where near extreme compared to things from the past.

True. Romans thought nothing of public vomiting either, another feature of todays extreme porn. I don't know if it was considered sexually arousing, but who knows?

In your posit, do you think it's natural for mens sexual desires to be so one-sided, as the rape scenario, and about domination more than mutual pleasure?

[JohnEricMartin]

I used to when I was young. Now I find it disgusting.

[Josh]

Porn is in no way responsible for moral degradation in society. Everyone has their own twisted sexual desires and fantasies (though most will not admit to them,) pornography just gives people a safe and available outlet to express it. And gives one some creative ideas to try out haha.

[tp6626]

	Originally Posted by invicta To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	In your posit, do you think it's natural for mens sexual desires to be so one-sided, as the rape scenario, and about domination more than mutual pleasure?

I don't think it is natural for men to be one sided like that given our culture now. However in the past this may have been the case (i.e. the culture of domination in Rome), and we have no way of knowing where its headed in the future.

This is to do with women's rights though, about which our consciences have been raised over the past 100 years or so.

Even now, gay rights have been accepted after a long period of repression, but I believe again that Romans didn't frown on homosexuality. So that would suggest that cultural values can go either way, and that we just don't know what the future will hold.

[Autoptic]

	Originally Posted by tp6626 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I don't think it is natural for men to be one sided like that given our culture now.

I think she meant without cultural programming, delusion, and repression as in nature instead of nurture. If she didn't, I now do.

[tp6626]

If she meant that, its difficult to imagine what we'd be like without those things.

Without those things, could women roam around raping men?

I simply don't know, and wouldn't like to hazard a guess.

[void]

	Originally Posted by tp6626 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Without those things, could women roam around raping men?

Giggity! [insert Quagmire picture here]

If you took away all the porn on the internet, there would be only one website left and it would be called "Bring back the porn".

[Josh]

^ Agreed haha

The majority of men will always have a natural inclination to be more sexually dominant, just as the majority of women will have the inclination to be sexually submissive.

[invicta]

	Originally Posted by Josh To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	^ Agreed haha The majority of men will always have a natural inclination to be more sexually dominant, just as the majority of women will have the inclination to be sexually submissive.

A lot of people feel this way, and you may be right. This I honestly don't know, as far as a natural state is concerned, and assuming there were no fears of pregnancy, or no fears of rearing a child without support. Before the rise of patrilinear family structures there were communal orgies with equal participation.

Males have had, for centuries, the burden of pursuit. I think it is this pursuit, and all the anxiety it entails i.e. fear of rejection that is the root of many fantasies enacted in pornography. Like those plumber meets a hot housewife scenarios.





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	Originally Posted by tp6626 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	If she meant that, its difficult to imagine what we'd be like without those things. Without those things, could women roam around raping men? I simply don't know, and wouldn't like to hazard a guess.

Yeah it was what I meant, but no worries about guessing what we would be like with no social conditioning. Unless you want to sometime.

I am curious about the core societal undercurrent that surround the extremes in porn that we see today.

[Krazy P]

For men, sexual activity is a health issue. More is better. Prostate cancer is inevitable, but can be postponed by frequent sexual activity. As women age, sex is not as attractive as a frequent activity.

So, pornography stimulates men to keep active (masturbation) and improves their health and survival prospects.

Pretty simple, actually.

Of course, there are costs. How to reconcile the costs (to woman who participate) with the benefits (better health for men) is an open question.

That is how I see it. Men are driven to want to live longer - woman not to be "objectivized".

[Danisty]

Hmm...I'm not sure if I agree. Afterall, women hit their peak quite a bit later than men do.

[LionsPride]

My only annoyance with porn is how poorly it portrays women in the mainstream stuff. Let me rephrase that. How poorly it portrays what women want in bed in the mainstream stuff. I know that much of it is male fantasy, but there are men who 'take notes' and think they are great in bed if they 'do her like a porn movie' and wonder why she doesn't want him to finish on her face because women seem to really enjoy that in the movie. I know that sounds ridiculous, but guys don't want to be bad in the sack and there's a distinct lack of a way to practice with a women so porn sometimes becomes a video instruction tool.

[Autoptic]

People differ. If women watch porn to learn what men like, would that not fail, too?

[Danisty]

Originally Posted by LionsPride To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

My only annoyance with porn is how poorly it portrays women in the mainstream stuff. Let me rephrase that. How poorly it portrays what women want in bed in the mainstream stuff. I know that much of it is male fantasy, but there are men who 'take notes' and think they are great in bed if they 'do her like a porn movie' and wonder why she doesn't want him to finish on her face because women seem to really enjoy that in the movie. I know that sounds ridiculous, but guys don't want to be bad in the sack and there's a distinct lack of a way to practice with a women so porn sometimes becomes a video instruction tool.

I really don't think the porn should be blamed for that. If a man wants to know what a woman likes, he can always ask her. There is also a part of the female population that really wants a man to 'do her like a porn movie.' People shouldn't be so afraid of sex that they won't talk to their partner about what they like.

[Josh]

	Hmm...I'm not sure if I agree. Afterall, women hit their peak quite a bit later than men do

Just gonna say that danisty.

	I really don't think the porn should be blamed for that. If a man wants to know what a woman likes, he can always ask her. There is also a part of the female population that really wants a man to 'do her like a porn movie.' People shouldn't be so afraid of sex that they won't talk to their partner about what they like.

Again my thoughts exactly. People are so embarrassed in bed about telling their partner what they do or don't like. Open communication is definitely the key to great sex.

[xtremegeek]

Originally Posted by LionsPride To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

My only annoyance with porn is how poorly it portrays women in the mainstream stuff. Let me rephrase that. How poorly it portrays what women want in bed in the mainstream stuff. I know that much of it is male fantasy, but there are men who 'take notes' and think they are great in bed if they 'do her like a porn movie' and wonder why she doesn't want him to finish on her face because women seem to really enjoy that in the movie. I know that sounds ridiculous, but guys don't want to be bad in the sack and there's a distinct lack of a way to practice with a women so porn sometimes becomes a video instruction tool.

I'm a woman and I approve this message!

[bucolic_]

What merit do you think there is to the idea that porn may lead to real-life sexual dissatisfaction? Reality not living up to fantasy, and so on.

[void]

	Originally Posted by bucolic_ To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	What merit do you think there is to the idea that porn may lead to real-life sexual dissatisfaction? Reality not living up to fantasy, and so on.

I can attest to this. Asian tranny goat porn differs considerably from its real-life counterpart.

Crap. I've said too much.

[Josh]

rofl

[Henry]

	Originally Posted by Autoptic To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	It isn't legally, and last I checked the male is always considered the aggressor even if drunk, so you might want to reconsider a drunk encounter before it happens if you're a male American at least.

I'm well aware that some states apply this. I think its complete bullshit. Hence the comment.

[Airius]

Originally Posted by LionsPride To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

My only annoyance with porn is how poorly it portrays women in the mainstream stuff. Let me rephrase that. How poorly it portrays what women want in bed in the mainstream stuff. I know that much of it is male fantasy, but there are men who 'take notes' and think they are great in bed if they 'do her like a porn movie' and wonder why she doesn't want him to finish on her face because women seem to really enjoy that in the movie. I know that sounds ridiculous, but guys don't want to be bad in the sack and there's a distinct lack of a way to practice with a women so porn sometimes becomes a video instruction tool.

Maybe off subject but I don't understand the appeal of facials.
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[Autoptic]

I'm pretty sure it's just a dominance behavior. The face is a protected location, thus the appeal of spitting in someone's face in anger.

[vad1981]

Porn = cool
Watching porn by yourself = not cool
talking about porn on the internet = kinda not cool
watching other people watch porn = cool
having sex while watching porn = cool

facials = "man power?" = turn off for me too though....

[Thrifty]

	Originally Posted by Autoptic To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I'm pretty sure it's just a dominance behavior. The face is a protected location, thus the appeal of spitting in someone's face in anger.

Not necessarily. It might just be the inconvenience that is having to scrub the floor later.