[Kisai]

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There Google scientists created one of the largest neural networks for machine learning by connecting 16,000 computer processors, which they turned loose on the Internet to learn on its own. Presented with 10 million digital images found in YouTube videos, what did Google’s brain do? What millions of humans do with YouTube: looked for cats. The neural network taught itself to recognize cats, which is actually no frivolous activity. This week the researchers will present the results of their work at a conference in Edinburgh, Scotland. The Google scientists and programmers will note that while it is hardly news that the Internet is full of cat videos, the simulation nevertheless surprised them. It performed far better than any previous effort by roughly doubling its accuracy in recognizing objects in a challenging list of 20,000 distinct items.

[Capybara]

This paints a bright picture for the future. Perhaps the singularity will be less concerned with humanity than previously thought.

[PlatoHagel]

Imagine then a "bot like cat" that can talk? Not only is it learning but it is capable of arriving at simplest logic route to algorithmic display of speech? Language would be no impediment to misunderstanding while not having to refer to math.

The danger then would be to place
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[scorpiomover]

Google are way ahead of the curve of innovative science. They have developed the self-driving car. They are drawing hypotheses from the data, and testing the hypotheses, with the data. With the advent of a self-learning computer like this, they'll probably be developing Ni theories before too long.

It looks to me, that in the future, we won't need humans as scientists any more. We'll have computers to be our scientists. They can work 24-7, are not subject to emotional biases, and if there is no result, all we need is more data, and more computers.

[Polymath20]

Now I know why my neural network running on an Intel Atom CPU was rubbish...

[PlatoHagel]

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	Now I know why my neural network running on an Intel Atom CPU was rubbish...

Tick Tock
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Some of us will not be limited by
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	Moore's law is the empirical observation that the complexity of integrated circuits, with respect to minimum component cost, doubles every 24 months[1].

[Nothingradio]

Now, instead of using Humans as batteries like in the Matrix, the machines will harvest Millions of cats, and put them in a giant cat farm where the machines will film them and produce cat videos

[Polymath20]

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	Tick Tock To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Some of us will not be limited by To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. . To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

To be fair for my pitiful netbook, I was attempting to program an evolutionary algorithm neural network...I just wanted my little neurons to be able to grow and evolve!

[Frosted]

Interesting. If they do indeed have the right algorithm the system will continue to learn and eventually will become self aware.

[Distance]

Fascinating and yet frightening, from a loss of Internet anonymity. Imagine the repressive damage this might create, if technology in the hands of employers can creep through the Internet and identify individuals by picture alone.

[Frosted]

	Originally Posted by Distance To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Fascinating and yet frightening, from a loss of Internet anonymity. Imagine the repressive damage this might create, if technology in the hands of employers can creep through the Internet and identify individuals by picture alone.

I wouldn't worry about that. Employers would more likely hire droids rather than people. Reverse image searches are already possible btw.
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I use that to see where people got their avatars from, or sometimes to see if someone is using images from the internet as their own.


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[Polymath20]

	Originally Posted by Frosted To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Interesting. If they do indeed have the right algorithm the system will continue to learn and eventually will become self aware.

Theoretically, an Artificial Neural Network (ANN) with an adequately sophisticated framework could, over time, become self aware. However, it would need a few things to do this:

1) Massive amounts of continual input - which the internet can provide. However, the environment of the internet is different from physical reality. So awareness built through the interwebs would manifest differently from ours.

2) The ability to spontaneously add new nodes and connections. This is not as easy as you might think, because arbitrarily adding new nodes and connections can greatly increase the "noise" (meaningless processing) in an ANN, which can make it less effective. Therefore:

3) It would need some sort of way to evaluate it's own efficiency before and after adding/removing nodes. It would need some sort of feedback. And since "self awareness" is not so easy to measure, this last function would be incredibly difficult.

	Originally Posted by Distance To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Fascinating and yet frightening, from a loss of Internet anonymity. Imagine the repressive damage this might create, if technology in the hands of employers can creep through the Internet and identify individuals by picture alone.

I wouldn't worry just yet. Just identifying cats - not even distinguishing between cats - took 16,000 CPU's. It will be some time before an employer can fire up an application on their desktop to spider the web looking for pictures of you. I imagine that web privacy laws will be in effect by that time protecting you from such unlawful searches. Not to mention, Google tends to add in anti-stalking features into their products.

[Distance]

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I wouldn't worry about that. Employers would more likely hire droids rather than people. Reverse image searches are already possible btw. To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. I use that to see where people got their avatars from, or sometimes to see if someone is using images from the internet as their own. ( Show Spoiler ) To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

No. Different type of search criteria.

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[Frosted]

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	No. Different type of search criteria.

Tineye does not do the identifying, no. But if you post an image of yourself on a web page and that page has your name, then you are identified. Tineye gives you links to pages that host the images you search for.

[Distance]

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	Tineye does not do the identifying, no. But if you post an image of yourself on a web page and that page has your name, then you are identified. Tineye gives you links to pages that host the images you search for.

Only if people are posting the identical picture all over the Internet which might or might not be the case.

With the cat identifying technology, it has the potential to identify individuals, regardless of what picture or clip they're posting.

But I do agree with Polymath, that the technology isn't at this point yet.

[Kisai]

	Originally Posted by Frosted To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Interesting. If they do indeed have the right algorithm the system will continue to learn and eventually will become self aware.

There's only 16k nodes in the network. Compare to the 100G neurons that your brain possesses.

[Frosted]

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	There's only 16k nodes in the network. Compare to the 100G neurons that your brain possesses.

So we're talking a simple animal at best?

[SJ10]

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	Now, instead of using Humans as batteries like in the Matrix, the machines will harvest Millions of cats, and put them in a giant cat farm where the machines will film them and produce cat videos

Yeah, but they'll have to herd cats in order to do that. It will be interesting to see how the computer approaches that problem.


This is simply the first phase of the cat’s master plan to take over the world…

1. Be cute, crazy, get into any kind of wrapping material
2. Get humans to take pictures and video of such
3. Humans develop supercomputers that search the internet for information, find only cats
4. Computer becomes self-aware and subsequently eliminates or enslaves the human race
5. Cat’s are elevated to “God” status by computers

[Kisai]

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	So we're talking a simple animal at best?

A fruit fly has 100k neurons in its brain.

[darniem]

It's all fun and games until the Cylons evolve!

[Distance]

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	It's all fun and games until the Cylons evolve!

Too late, we're here!

[ppu6502]

From my understanding, they didn't do anything new / innovative, they just threw lots of hardware at it.

I think the technology behind AI is actually close to the point where it's primarily bound by the availability (and synchronization) of computational resources - rather than being bound by an understand of learning algorithms.

[Typhon]

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	It's all fun and games until the Cylons evolve!

If this trend continues maybe Cylons will be too obsessed with cats and taking pictures of cats to kill us all.

[Kisai]

	Originally Posted by ppu6502 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	From my understanding, they didn't do anything new / innovative, they just threw lots of hardware at it.

“We never told it during the training, ‘This is a cat,’ ” said Dr. Dean, who originally helped Google design the software that lets it easily break programs into many tasks that can be computed simultaneously. “It basically invented the concept of a cat. We probably have other ones that are side views of cats.” The Google brain assembled a dreamlike digital image of a cat by employing a hierarchy of memory locations to successively cull out general features after being exposed to millions of images. The scientists said, however, that it appeared they had developed a cybernetic cousin to what takes place in the brain’s visual cortex

[ppu6502]

That isn't new or innovative.