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Old 09-07-2008, 09:19 AM   #76
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Whenever people bring up numbers and statistics on this site (and you're definitely not the only one to do it), I can't help but thinking that is more a sensing thing than an intuition thing.

Which is relevant because...?

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Old 09-07-2008, 04:17 PM   #77
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Which is relevant because...?

Because people say that INTJs should be obsessed with numbers and statistics and I don't see it. I quoted the post I was responding to.

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Old 09-07-2008, 04:38 PM   #78
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Alright then. I thought you might have been implying that his point can be discredited on the grounds that he sounded like a sensor. My mistake.
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Old 09-07-2008, 04:43 PM   #79
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Alright then. I thought you might have been implying that his point can be discredited on the grounds that he sounded like a sensor. My mistake.

Oh I'm sorry! I didn't mean for it to sound like that.

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Old 09-08-2008, 01:30 AM   #80
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Romance RULES! More importantly this particular romantic 'idea' directly translates into a life-long memory and story to tell loved ones down the road so go for it! Try your best to make this memory special enough to last as long as the relationship you are betting on. I adore creativity and admire it greatly. Even tho I'm not much into the socially accepted and highly legal idea of 'marriage' and having a big rock on my finger, I'm definitely into romance and dreaminess and experiencing them on a physical plane would rock my world. If I were to venture off into this 'marriage idea' I'd have to say I could come up with some pretty good game plans on how to pop the question or what kind of ring to get- and the craftier the better. A love union is pretty important to me and something that I would want to definitely celebrate with friends & fam including a sick party and gorgeous dress (I've been designing since I was 4)- I am a Virgo and party planning is something we do best! However the popular idea of proving a union of love with a ring and piece of paper/last name is not something that inspires me in any way. If I were to be proposed to it would require no urgency. I would love spontaneity and creativity extremes, they would make me laugh and cry even more than just having someone show me the vulnerability of sharing a deep love and asking me to stay in love with them forever. In regards to the ring (that I would HOPE I wouldn't lose, I am not a jewelry girl), since I am very much into rocks/gems/metals I would love something custom to what I am highly attracted to such aaas copper/bronze (platinum is OK too) and other specials stones/gems that I love dearly (and only someone that loved me deeply and was connected to me would know of ). My bro took his girl up on a trip in a glider over a lake and then awkwardly in a cramped space got out a ROCK and asked her to be his lady forever (and they met on the internet). That was gorgeous. Their marriage part was more of elopement, but that's OK too cause I'll always forgive the brats!

Back on topic- make this experience worth it! You INTJ's think and mastermind well enough to come up with something creative and OUT OF THIS WORLD. Don't shortchange yourself here. Do what what feels natural but also step out of the circle and go for it. You'll be glad you did. A memory like this might as well be amazing and why miss out on that opportunity to create it. If anyone was qualified to make it happen its definitely your 'type'. Atleast know that all us feelers are rooting you on!

*and in regards to the response on my last reply- I'm still waiting on a first, I just enjoy stories of shared interests that result in union.
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Old 09-08-2008, 06:51 AM   #81
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I just wanted to point out that some women may actually not like a huge big deal to be made for a proposal. If my husband had done something grand and spectacular, I wouldn't have liked it at all. Believe it or not, some people have an aversion to what everyone else considers romantic.
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Old 09-08-2008, 02:54 PM   #82
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You INTJ's think and mastermind well enough to come up with something creative and OUT OF THIS WORLD. Don't shortchange yourself here. Do what what feels natural but also step out of the circle and go for it. You'll be glad you did.

Does it work the other way, too? Would you be glad if you did something that looked boring and plain to you?

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Old 09-08-2008, 04:55 PM   #83
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Ok this isn’t related to me proposing exactly to my gf but I am sure all of you will find this amusing and hopefully my fellow INTJ’s will at least be able to laugh with me at myself…..

So about a week ago my girlfriend (who I am pretty sure is the ‘one’) and I were talking in the car while running errands. Somehow the subject of wearing wedding rings came up and I said something along the lines of ‘well I probably wouldn’t wear a wedding ring everyday either’. Big mistake. In my head I was thinking I have never owned a ring in my life, never worn one, and don’t really care to start wearing them. She of course got upset despite my trying to explain how in my mind marrying someone means making a life long commitment and that the act of wearing a ring does nothing to make this commitment stronger or prevent one from breaking it and therefore my not wanting to wear a ring has nothing to do with my commitment to a marriage. She of course did not see it the same way. Guess that was typical INTJ trait of not understanding the importance of social rituals. …Doh!
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Old 09-08-2008, 06:57 PM   #84
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My husband and I were off an on for years before we were "engaged" (which is a weird way to put it when you think about it), primarily because I knew (even though he still doesn't believe me) that he's the kind of guy you marry and I wasn't ready for that, so why commit to the relationship until I was ready for the real commitment? Anyway, he eventually moved in with me. One day I had a moment of clarity and knew I was ready, so I just said, "Let's get married." He agreed. I got my grandmother's ring (no diamonds) and wore that. I later decided to make him propose (no doubt he would prefer I said "asked" him to propose) to me in some bizarre attempt to follow tradition or romantic notions, which he did after we watched "It's a Wonderful Life." It's a family tradition to watch it Christmas Eve every year at my mom's, and quite fitting in concept, no? So I actually have two proposal memories. The wedding planning was also an awkward mix of tradition ("How do 'normal' people do this stuff?" "Why do I have to invite so many people?") and individuality ("Alright, but we're standing in water, my friend's carrying a boombox on her shoulder, and there's no dress code..."). It seemed to work out nicely. We did it in a gorgeous area quite distant from where we lived, outside, and in the middle of the week, all of which kept the attendees to a minimum. Our general philosophy regarding the whole thing is it's about the marriage.

Incidentally, one of the groomsman said of us in a toast, "You are two of the most stubborn people I have ever met. You deserve each other." True, and and a bit surly. Maybe he was an INTJ, too...
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Old 09-08-2008, 08:28 PM   #85
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Ok this isn’t related to me proposing exactly to my gf but I am sure all of you will find this amusing and hopefully my fellow INTJ’s will at least be able to laugh with me at myself…..

So about a week ago my girlfriend (who I am pretty sure is the ‘one’) and I were talking in the car while running errands. Somehow the subject of wearing wedding rings came up and I said something along the lines of ‘well I probably wouldn’t wear a wedding ring everyday either’. Big mistake. In my head I was thinking I have never owned a ring in my life, never worn one, and don’t really care to start wearing them. She of course got upset despite my trying to explain how in my mind marrying someone means making a life long commitment and that the act of wearing a ring does nothing to make this commitment stronger or prevent one from breaking it and therefore my not wanting to wear a ring has nothing to do with my commitment to a marriage. She of course did not see it the same way. Guess that was typical INTJ trait of not understanding the importance of social rituals. …Doh!

My husband and I didn't wear rings for a few years. Ours broke (because we aren't exactly delicate with jewelry) and we just didn't replace them until he was preparing for deployment.

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Old 09-09-2008, 04:25 AM   #86
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  Originally Posted by Profit
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Ok this isn’t related to me proposing exactly to my gf but I am sure all of you will find this amusing and hopefully my fellow INTJ’s will at least be able to laugh with me at myself…..

So about a week ago my girlfriend (who I am pretty sure is the ‘one’) and I were talking in the car while running errands. Somehow the subject of wearing wedding rings came up and I said something along the lines of ‘well I probably wouldn’t wear a wedding ring everyday either’. Big mistake. In my head I was thinking I have never owned a ring in my life, never worn one, and don’t really care to start wearing them. She of course got upset despite my trying to explain how in my mind marrying someone means making a life long commitment and that the act of wearing a ring does nothing to make this commitment stronger or prevent one from breaking it and therefore my not wanting to wear a ring has nothing to do with my commitment to a marriage. She of course did not see it the same way. Guess that was typical INTJ trait of not understanding the importance of social rituals. …Doh!

You're right- but there is another side. She was probably thinking that it marked you as 'taken'. Silly? Yes. Childish? Yes. But probably true. It wasn't about YOUR commitment, really, although your dedication to the relationship would cause you to set approaching girls straight pretty quickly, I'd assume.

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Old 09-09-2008, 06:38 PM   #87
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I agree completely. The wearing of the ring is a signal to other women that I am taken. Therefore they will not approach me and the opportunity to be unfaithful will not present itself. A little silly, yes but I understand where she is coming from even if it is illogical lol. Also, the fact that I have entered a marriage, or serious relationship for that matter, means I will not approach or respond to approaches from other women in the first place.
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Old 09-09-2008, 10:19 PM   #88
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I wouldn't necessarily count on women not approaching you just because you're wearing a ring. The kind that would sleep with a married man probably won't find the ring a deterrent either.
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Old 09-10-2008, 01:25 AM   #89
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Well, no one has proposed to me yet, fortunately. But I imagine I'd want my proposal to be either a surprise or straight-on. I don't like beating around the bush when I know it's going to happen. And how I respond is another question. I would resort to a short 'yes' or a short 'no', then if they want reasoning for the latter, I'd give it to them. The cheesy proposals in movies and romance novels piss me off royally.
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Old 09-16-2008, 01:53 AM   #90
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Does it work the other way, too? Would you be glad if you did something that looked boring and plain to you?

Along with being considered more often an ENxP I'm also a Virgleo, boring and plain is just not in me. Get creative, research it, plan it out, make it happen, make it better and then over-exagerate it is more my style!

haha.. I'm so not kidding.
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I just wanted to point out that some women may actually not like a huge big deal to be made for a proposal. Believe it or not, some people have an aversion to what everyone else considers romantic.

This is true. 'UNIQUE' is more important *to me* than 'big' or 'grand'. Whatever feels most natural to your union is always going to be the truest bet.

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Old 09-16-2008, 03:48 PM   #91
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Along with being considered more often an ENxP I'm also a Virgleo, boring and plain is just not in me. Get creative, research it, plan it out, make it happen, make it better and then over-exagerate it is more my style!

haha.. I'm so not kidding.
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So you think you're better than me. It's good to advise someone like me to be more like you, but it's pointless to advise you to be more like me. There's something for me to gain by altering my behavior, but it's useless to alter yours. "It's not my style" is a valid reason for not acting more like me, but it's a bad excuse if I try to use it as a reason for not acting like you.

Putting my bad attitude to the side for a minute, is this generally right?

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Old 09-16-2008, 09:05 PM   #92
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My husband asked me as we were driving along the interstate (he was driving, as if that matters). I wish I could say our 1.5 years of marriage thus far has outshone the proposal, but...I can't.
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Old 09-16-2008, 09:36 PM   #93
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I just wanted to point out that some women may actually not like a huge big deal to be made for a proposal.

Yes. I find ostentatious displays to be disingenuous. Unfortunately, I have a significant other that prefers the most romantic demonstrations. It's irrational and confuses me, but I can compromise because she fulfills many things for me.

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Old 09-17-2008, 11:55 AM   #94
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My husband took me out to dinner for my birthday and proposed. I said no. He was crushed.
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We'd been dating for almost 4 years and it was a foregone conclusion that we would get married when I finished university, but I didn't want a marriage proposal on my birthday, seemed like a cheat so he'd only have to remember one date, and not have to buy me a present. So I told him to ask me again in a few months. He wasn't too pleased. A few weeks later I asked for the ring and poof we were engaged. I didn't actually like the ring he'd picked out so I got the stone put into a different setting. I paid for the wedding and honeymoon. Just like a fairy tale.
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ps: I just read this to my husband and he said he's been paying ever since
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LOL!! That's exactly how it will play out for me, ring and all. Although I tend to prefer being alone. I occasionally daydream something romantic about being married/with someone a long time, but it's fleeting and insubstantial.





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I love, love, love romance and I want the whole ten yards.
One knee and a huge rock the size of his brain.
I would not accept a shabby proposal. Once you take shabby before the marriage you will get it after.

LOL I couldn't handle marrying anyone with such a small brain.

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Old 09-17-2008, 03:35 PM   #95
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LOL I couldn't handle marrying anyone with such a small brain.



Hey! Just because my option varies from yours does not mean I have a small brain.

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Old 09-17-2008, 04:14 PM   #96
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I took it to mean that his brain would be the size of the diamond (which tend, on average, to be smaller than human brains), not that you have a particularly small brain. Since you mentioned "a huge rock the size of his brain," in order for the two objects to be equal in size, he'd either have to have a very large diamond or a very small brain. I assume you meant a large diamond, but EO turned it the other way. And thus, hilarity ensued?
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Old 09-17-2008, 05:46 PM   #97
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I took it to mean that his brain would be the size of the diamond (which tend, on average, to be smaller than human brains), not that you have a particularly small brain. Since you mentioned "a huge rock the size of his brain," in order for the two objects to be equal in size, he'd either have to have a very large diamond or a very small brain. I assume you meant a large diamond, but EO turned it the other way. And thus, hilarity ensued?

Ma bad EternalOblivion! and thanks for the clarification Elston
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Old 10-22-2008, 02:36 AM   #98
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So you think you're better than me. It's good to advise someone like me to be more like you, but it's pointless to advise you to be more like me. There's something for me to gain by altering my behavior, but it's useless to alter yours. "It's not my style" is a valid reason for not acting more like me, but it's a bad excuse if I try to use it as a reason for not acting like you.

Putting my bad attitude to the side for a minute, is this generally right?

Umm.. far off. First off, I was wholly referring to myself in that last comment. Unlike the superior INTJ mentality (I'm being lighthearted here), I believe we are equals at our core and just running on different programs.. experiencing things on different levels. I adore individuality and have realized that I can't change anyone, I can only inspire them by staying true. What you choose to do is up to you and is your human right- hopefully its not hurting anyone- and whether it resonates with me is something separate completely. I would never want to change you cause you need to finish acting out that level to develop the insight and knowledge to move beyond it to the next. To try and force my ideals upon you wouldn't work in the long run and is truly nothing I desire to waste energy on, partly cause I know its not constructive and partly cause I care about you and want you to live your experience fully and would rather you feel confident in playing your part as you feel it and see it.





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I'm tired and rambling.. again.

To sum it up: DIFFERENT FOLKS, DIFFERENT STROKES.

yah.

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Old 10-22-2008, 12:08 PM   #99
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To try and force my ideals upon you wouldn't work in the long run and is truly nothing I desire to waste energy on, partly cause I know its not constructive and partly cause I care about you and want you to live your experience fully and would rather you feel confident in playing your part as you feel it and see it.

Alright, thanks for the clarification. Something about that didn't sit well with a previous disposition that I assumed you had:

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You INTJ's think and mastermind well enough to come up with something creative and OUT OF THIS WORLD. Don't shortchange yourself here. Do what what feels natural but also step out of the circle and go for it. You'll be glad you did.

I took that to mean that you were saying that your preferred way is inherently better than my preferred way of doing things. I'm not a fan of people telling me to lighten up or just go for it or things like that, so I got defensive and somewhat combative. My mistake.

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Old 10-22-2008, 04:34 PM   #100
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I don't actually know what a proposal I want. But I do want one, and with a ring. The whole romantic thing. And he should make sure that I don't know what's coming before it does (though I do think it is smart to have discussions about marriage before the proposal). If I could guess beforehand it would ruin the moment, since I probably wouldn't be able to hide that I know and knowing that I couldn't enjoy it as much.

But I don't actually know if I would want it with other people around (as in family and friends) or just alone with him. On the one hand I don't like to be the center of attention (I get really shy, try to disappear, freeze somewhat), on the other hand I would like to hear again and again from other people how romantic the proposal was. Or maybe I don't?

I just hope that by the time I get a proposal my boyfriend/husband will know exactly what I want.
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