[IotaNull]

	Originally Posted by BBC To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Loads of men gets girls (irrational or not), if you can't get one you have to look inwards. Why do these random, irrational crazies want him and not you?

I've never heard of *anyone* on this board, apart from the people experimenting with the application of blunt trauma to scarecrows, suggesting that women generally behave "randomly".

[LadySpock]

	Originally Posted by Hydro To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	And where exactly does your notorious self-hate and frustration come from?

Your perception of it comes from within you.

[LadySpock]

How does a discussion about men who are lonely and sexually frustrated turn into a discussion about the evils of feminism???

Sadly, this is a familiar pattern on this forum.

[BBC]

I'm curious George about the hoards of beautiful but irrational girls who follow you around? Mentally incapable of everything but a pout and a hot pose. You should start a new thread advising the other rational 'gods' on here who can't get laid.
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[MechanicalSun]

	Originally Posted by LadySpock To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	How does a discussion about men who are lonely and sexually frustrated turn into a discussion about the evils of feminism??? Sadly, this is a familiar pattern on this forum.

	Originally Posted by LadySpock To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Your perception of it comes from within you.

[Vagrant]

	Originally Posted by LadySpock To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	How does a discussion about men who are lonely and sexually frustrated turn into a discussion about the evils of feminism??? Sadly, this is a familiar pattern on this forum.

What else could possibly cause the men on this forum to be...

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[LadySpock]

I don't know Vagrant. Other men seem to be doing OK... ((shoulder shrug))

It's a mystery wrapped inside a puzzle sandwiched between two enigmas

[IotaNull]

	Originally Posted by plotthickens To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Fixed!

My understanding of "fixing" was that it generally results in something functional once the process is complete. What am I getting wrong?

There's no shortage of people here who get sex regularly and are nevertheless obviously butthurt about women. That they've chosen to deal with it in a fashion that gets them sex doesn't change that fact -- at least, not when said sex fails to relieve them of said butthurt.

I'm not even saying the whiners have a point. I'm saying that "is getting laid" isn't even close to an accurate dividing line where the sexually experienced people can guffaw at the naive morons on the other side.

[IreOfDesire]

Whining men demanding that an entire gender should alter their behavior to fit the poor guys frame... yeah I hate it.
It's not like whining women demanding that an entire gender should alter their behavior and stop checking them out in the gym.

[BBC]

	Originally Posted by Iota Null To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I've never heard of *anyone* on this board, apart from the people experimenting with the application of blunt trauma to scarecrows, suggesting that women generally behave "randomly".

Really? Just read the average 'boys vs girls' threads on here. They are full of 20 year olds with no experience of women making outrageous generalisations about 'women' as if they are some mythical multiheaded beast.

And i've just seen women on mass labelled 'unstable' in this thread above.

[plotthickens]

Originally Posted by Iota Null To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

My understanding of "fixing" was that it generally results in something functional once the process is complete. What am I getting wrong? There's no shortage of people here who get sex regularly and are nevertheless obviously butthurt about women. That they've chosen to deal with it in a fashion that gets them sex doesn't change that fact -- at least, not when said sex fails to relieve them of said butthurt. I'm not even saying the whiners have a point. I'm saying that "is getting laid" isn't even close to an accurate dividing line where the sexually experienced people can guffaw at the naive morons on the other side.

That's an... interesting take on the subject. Let me put this more simply, let's see how you manage to misunderstand it:

• BUTTHURT BITTER ATTITUDE IS UNATTRACTIVE.
• If you want to ATTRACT women, try to be ATTRACTIVE, not UNattractive.

[LadySpock]

Iota,

Did you miss this part of the opening post?

If you are an INTJ male who is having trouble with attracting females, I implore you to consider the information shared above. You must accept that you cannot change the environment in this case - most people are feelers and most women are definitely feelers. You need to figure out a way to be successful at getting what you want be it sex, a true relationship, and / or a happy life. INTJ-esque navel staring will not work. It's really that simple. This is a good opportunity for you to use those INTJ problem solving skills and solve a problem for yourself. You have a big stake in this one. Your actions here will impact the quality of your life significantly.

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	Originally Posted by IreOfDesire To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Whining men demanding that an entire gender should alter their behavior to fit the poor guys frame... yeah I hate it. It's not like whining women demanding that an entire gender should alter their behavior and stop checking them out in the gym.

Are you suggesting that "all men" are incapable of behaving respectfully? If so, I reject your assertion.

My POV was that rude people need to cut their creepy behavior in the gym. All men are not rude and all men are not rude or creepy in the gym.

If you'd like to re-hash things we should probably return to that topic & continue talking
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[curiousgeorge01]

I don't know how to make this point any clearer, even men who are getting lots of sex complain about women. I have a friend who has a new girl every month and complains about the dumb tricks he has to do or hoops he has to jump through to bed them. He says they're stupid but it works and then calls them dumb for falling for it.

[ManWithNoName]

	Originally Posted by Iota Null To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I'm not even saying the whiners have a point. I'm saying that "is getting laid" isn't even close to an accurate dividing line where the sexually experienced people can guffaw at the naive morons on the other side.

I think this is an interesting point. While I won't argue that there aren't more than a few bitter forever alone's who have very self-centered views it's not just limited to them. I think you can find more than a few frat boys who share similar views and who don't find it hard to get women.

[LadySpock]

Frat boys who are getting women are complaining about NOT getting women?

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	Originally Posted by curiousgeorge01 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I don't know how to make this point any clearer, even men who are getting lots of sex complain about women. I have a friend who has a new girl every month and complains about the dumb tricks he has to do or hoops he has to jump through to bed them. He says they're stupid but it works and then calls them dumb for falling for it.

Men who are getting lots of sex complain about not being able to get sex?

Wait - did you miss the topic of this thread?

Men & women complaining about each other is a different matter than what this thread is about.

Try again!

[zibber]

	Originally Posted by LadySpock To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Frat boys who are getting women are complaining about NOT getting women?

I think the intended meaning of "get" was "understand", but that's a whole nother can of worms.

[IotaNull]

	Originally Posted by LadySpock To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Frat boys who are getting women are complaining about NOT getting women? Men who are getting lots of sex complain about not being able to get sex? Wait - did you miss the topic of this thread? Men & women complaining about each other is a different matter than what this thread is about. Try again!

But it's *not* completely different. The specific complaints you've made are being attributed to men who aren't getting laid and discredited based solely on that fact, so pointing out that a sizeable number of men who *are* getting laid make the same complaints is a perfectly good rebuttal. It also bears mentioning that these men aren't happy, so your "just do what it takes to get laid" advice suddenly becomes a whole lot less convincing.

There are certainly valid criticims of the views you're attacking here (and ultimately I disagree with most of said views), but this isn't among them.

[LadySpock]

I am not complaining about anything and I am truly perplexed by your focus on getting laid... I'll try to help you once more:

If you are an INTJ male who is having trouble with attracting females, I implore you to consider the information shared above. You must accept that you cannot change the environment in this case - most people are feelers and most women are definitely feelers. You need to figure out a way to be successful at getting what you want be it sex, a true relationship, and / or a happy life. INTJ-esque navel staring will not work. It's really that simple. This is a good opportunity for you to use those INTJ problem solving skills and solve a problem for yourself. You have a big stake in this one. Your actions here will impact the quality of your life significantly.

I am guessing you may be responding to something other than the OP & the topic here.

[ManWithNoName]

	Originally Posted by LadySpock To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Frat boys who are getting women are complaining about NOT getting women?

To some degree yes. They'll complain about the women they are getting and the women they are NOT getting which they think they deserve. You don't have to have absolutely nothing to have an entitled attitude. Some of the most entitled people are those who have everything.

They can complain and exhibit the attitude:

	Originally Posted by LadySpock
	The Dusty Dick INTJ's thought process seems to be: Most females are decidedly defective because they choose wrong when it comes to men. If females were logical or making sensible choices, the men are this forum would not be so lonely and frustrated.

That you described as being solely a thing of the Forever Alone's. Your observation of this phenomenon of behavior may have been observed in Forever Alone's but it is not limited to them nor really dependent on the amount of sex one gets or doesn't get. It is possible to be lonely and frustrated and bitter towards women even when in a relationship.

	Men who are getting lots of sex complain about not being able to get sex?

Yes, they can complain about the sex they get, about the women they get, and hold a bad and bitter attitude towards women, despite the fact they get sex. As for reasons described above.

	Wait - did you miss the topic of this thread?

Iota and curiousgeorge01 were just pointing out how the premise of the topic is incomplete and possibly flawed. That is the attitude of thinking that women are decidedly defective when they choose wrong when it comes to men, or that they are wholly illogical, is not an attitude that arises purely out lack of sex with women.

It can and it does for sure, I and I don't think neither does Iota or curiousgeorge01 claim it doesn't.

But if you're going to examine the issue of the attitude that you find counter-productive and immature then shouldn't we actually explore the issue, it's premises, and the subtly of the argument, instead of just turning it into a so narrowly defined thing where there is allowed no deviation or exploration and so the advice becomes limited because the thread is limited.

	Men & women complaining about each other is a different matter than what this thread is about. Try again!

Your original premise was incomplete. He was pointing out how it was incomplete and slightly flawed: that the behavior you described and gave some very good advice about how to overcome has really nothing to do with how much or how little sex someone is getting even though this is often a key complaint of those who exhibit such behavior.

You try again.

[Innovate]

Over-analyzing at its finest.
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[changos]

Are you guys like these when discussing with women?

[IotaNull]

	Originally Posted by LadySpock To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I am not complaining about anything

Never said you were.

	and I am truly perplexed by your focus on getting laid...

Total fabrication. Even a cursory glance at my posting history or any of the numerous discussions we've had on this topic would tell you that sex for its own sake isn't something I value in the slightest, and if you meant my focus on thinking you're focusing on it, it's in the thread title. There is no possible interpretation of this statement that isn't bullshit.

	I am guessing you may be responding to something other than the OP & the topic here.

I'm certainly responding to the OP. That much isn't in question. The topic might be, but that's because the actual point of this thread seems to be for you and a few others to preach about how people not getting regular sex are obviously stupid, they only think what they do because they're not getting regular sex, they shouldn't try to talk about the topic in any capacity until they've done this, and that's all there is to it. This is clearly demonstrated by the fact that every critical analysis I've offered of the OP has been responded to, several times, with "shut up, you'll be attractive THIS way".

The confusion here is because I made the mistake of addressing it at face value. It won't happen again.

[LadySpock]

Changos is on to something here. As is innovate.

In the end, none of that preachy self serving navel staring bullshit is going to translate in happiness for any man here (or anywhere esle for that matter.)

iota, I only responded to your comments here - which were focused on sex.

[Idiotes]

I already knew and agree with your observations. I am not going to act upon your advice though because I can't change who I am and I shouldn't have to. I'd rather you didn't present what you have discovered as something to be heeded to unless you want have to vacuum clean your dick every so often. I am happy being who I am and I cannot stand 'feelers', they're fucking irritating.

[Canopus]

my take on some of the guys posting on the forum, is that their lack of success at finding a partner, consists of discussing the topic to 1) try to understand the illogical (emotions - women's in general and their own) 2) try to figure out what to do about it (a classic INTJ reaction of analyzing the available information, looking for addition information and making improvement plans).

Sure, a bit of whining, venting and complaining going on too - even an INTJ is still kind of in part a human.