[Causa Mortis]

	Originally Posted by Shadizar To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Hmmm... self-integrity or cash... I can earn cash. But thank you for stating it; women prefer disingenuous men. I'm old enough, and have little care for women anymore; should I find myself without a wife, I'll flip the coin, heads I go back to sexless bachelorhood, tails I go PUA and use the broads like tissues.

Get a two-tailed coin. It feels better and is a great source of n-supply.

	Originally Posted by Plothickens
	PUAs present as shallow, gullable and trashy to attract shallow, gullable and trashy. Only one side is play-acting? Suuuuuure.

Pray tell, Plot, the social strategy a struggling male could adopt to sway the hearts of oh-so-feminine women everywhere. I wait with bated breath.

[Tinpusher]

	Originally Posted by plotthickens To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I am no gentleman, just a fat old lady, so we'll just have to settle it in a Dojo, okay? Assuming that I'm a male is just as stupid as assuming that barfles are a good representative sample of the genders.

In the back of my mind, I wish to get all high and mighty and destroy you with some kind of twisted logic that makes sense to me...Then we'll go round and round in an ever tightening circle of verbal dogfighting, with neither side backing down.

But, I cured that side of my character years ago because I realised I often ended up sitting alone feeling smug...sitting alone.

So, touché. I will gracefully bow out with an apology for failing to conduct my research effectively.

[SeverusSin]

Originally Posted by scorpiomover To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

INTJs are being entirely rational. Attitudes of scientists, seem to suggest that most people should listen to science and rationality, and do what they suggest, and if they don't, then scientists complain about how the world should be different. INTJs are looking at their heroes, seeing how they act, and thinking that since scientists are supposed to be rational, then complaining that people aren't doing what rationals think, is the rational thing to do. Irrational people seem to just accept the way reality is, and deal with that. But then, they are irrational, and so their approaches to life are rejected. Mind you, scientists get paid for their views in their day job, and can be as irrational as they like when it comes to everything else. INTJ males are not being given women in return for figuring out what is the most efficient way to run a relationship. So there is a practical difference between the 2, that means that scientists aren't losing out by complaining and not adapting, while INTJ males are.

Well said. Its also hilarious that men think they can win their way to a woman's heart or even pick up a women by listening to what she claims she wants / likes. That's really funny, I've grown up around women and that's blatantly obvious schoolboy error #1.

From what I can tell and have experienced, all frustration is results based and attachment to a specific outcome. If one were to change their view of things and also simultaneously maintain sense of self (finding the balance), they'll most likely find themselves more successful with women, and most social interactions.

[Midhiel]

	Originally Posted by Shadizar To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Homework and background check; women won't date friends.

Since when? Can you please provide some solid evidence for this? I mean, I know it isn't universally true based on personal experience and observations.

	Originally Posted by Shadizar To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Granted; however, when your woman friend tells you "why do I keep ending up with these jerks, why can't they be more like you???", and you answer, "they can't be, I'm right here", and they answer, "I can't date you, you're too nice, I wouldn't want to ruin what we have...", it's gone beyond anything resembling logic.

They might just think you suck, but aren't rude enough to tell you so. Anyway, just because you're "nice" (I haven't yet seen evidence of this, based on your posts) doesn't mean that you are attractive to that woman. She may be attracted to "nice", but also x, y, and z, and you don't necessarily possess those other qualities. That's like assuming that because a woman likes men who can cook, and you can cook, she must be attracted to you. A single quality, even one as apparently broad as "niceness", isn't the only factor.

Originally Posted by plotthickens To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Put simply, this entire thread is a simple statement of "a winning attitude helps you win", by women who were tired of listening to the men on INTJf complain endlessly & degrade & dismiss women. And as much as I'm sure you'd love to pretend I'm reacting to a few threads, that's not the case at all -- this is a response to a pattern of you and MANY, MANY others doing exactly this for months, which I'm getting tired of, and this thread happens to be a good avenue for addressing that point.

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[plotthickens]

Originally Posted by Tinpusher To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

In the back of my mind, I wish to get all high and mighty and destroy you with some kind of twisted logic that makes sense to me...Then we'll go round and round in an ever tightening circle of verbal dogfighting, with neither side backing down. But, I cured that side of my character years ago because I realised I often ended up sitting alone feeling smug...sitting alone. So, touché. I will gracefully bow out with an apology for failing to conduct my research effectively.

"I could kick your ass, but I won't, because I have a newfound respect for life" -- have you watched Gross Pointe Blank too many times?

Instead of aiming to win, how 'bout we aim to communicate. Whaddya say?

[plotthickens]

	Originally Posted by Causa Mortis To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Pray tell, Plot, the social strategy a struggling male could adopt to sway the hearts of oh-so-feminine women everywhere. I wait with bated breath.

You bring a pistol to the lunch table and expect to "win". That's not the goal of any dating conversation, but until you drop the WIN/LOSE paradigm you won't be able to see any other.

[Shadizar]

Winning or losing isn't the issue. If it was about that, I wouldn't have played in the first place.

[ModernLit]

dusty dick?! *does not want*
yes, i am allergic. get it away from me.

also, untrue about men having fewer partners. someone somewhere is lying a lot! :b :b :b

[Carot]

Originally Posted by LadySpock To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

There is information already posted To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. . In that discussion, more than a few emotionally mature INTJ males shared very valuable info regarding this issue. Please use it. If you are an INTJ male who is having trouble with attracting females, I implore you to consider the information shared above. You must accept that you cannot change the environment in this case - most people are feelers and most women are definitely feelers. You need to figure out a way to be successful at getting what you want be it sex, a true relationship, and / or a happy life. INTJ-esque navel staring will not work. It's really that simple. This is a good opportunity for you to use those INTJ problem solving skills and solve a problem for yourself. You have a big stake in this one. Your actions here will impact the quality of your life significantly.

I have actually found the forum as a whole to be helpful and the quoted thread insightful. These things have given me courage, not as much "hope" per say, but to simply know that there are others that struggle with issues so like my own is more comfort than I have known for a long time.

I've seen examples of what giving up on my own ideals looks like, of giving in to the despair of individuality, and those that have overcome it as well.

It's like the AA for INTJ's.

I continue to see that the melodrama that many of us succumb to is much at fault.......also, my rather well polished *ahem* "dusty-dick" is the result of more factors than just me being me, though I thank you for your concern.

....also some of this is frakking hysterical, some people have got to lighten up.

[Shadizar]

	Originally Posted by Carot To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	....also some of this is frakking hysterical, some people have got to lighten up.

it's not about the sex; the sex would just make the shit and lies a little easier to swallow; hell, the truth would make the non-attraction easier to swallow.