[Autumnleaf]

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Last night a radio talk show host was saying 20 somethings and younger people are getting their political views fed to them by people like John Stewart who sort of make fun of what is going on and twist it so as to make a caricature out of one side or another. This is also what they did with the Tea Party in the Family Guy episode. Do you think many people are getting their political beliefs from such sources? If so, how does that bode for society? Should we rely on one sided jokes from corporate sponsors to define how we want our country, our world, to be?

[Imperator]

Nah. This is Old Guard misapplied rage.

Kids aren't watching the news, aren't reading newspapers, so what do they do? Well they watch Daily Show, so that must be where they get the news!

It's one part "I don't understand information technology these days" and "kids are so stupid, they can't tell what's real and what's satire".

I would bet Google (and various smaller web-news sites) and Wiki play a larger role in determining kids' political information these days than comedians.

[Distance]

As if breitbart and the Daily Rail shouldn't be considered parody...

[Autumnleaf]

	Originally Posted by Distance To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	As if breitbart and the Daily Rail shouldn't be considered parody...

I have yet to see you, or anyone else, quote and disprove a story from either news source. Yet the opinion you express is common. Where is it coming from? What inclined you to think that way?

[plotthickens]

	Originally Posted by Autumnleaf To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I have yet to see you, or anyone else, quote and disprove a story from either news source. Yet the opinion you express is common. Where is it coming from? What inclined you to think that way?

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And of course
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[Megalomania]

	Originally Posted by Imperator To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I would bet Google (and various smaller web-news sites) and Wiki play a larger role in determining kids' political information these days than comedians.

Facebook.

[Imperator]

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	Facebook.

...I didn't even know FB did news.

The world is officially fucked.

[Distance]

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[Daoist]

Originally Posted by Autumnleaf To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Last night a radio talk show host was saying 20 somethings and younger people are getting their political views fed to them by people like John Stewart who sort of make fun of what is going on and twist it so as to make a caricature out of one side or another. This is also what they did with the Tea Party in the Family Guy episode. Do you think many people are getting their political beliefs from such sources? If so, how does that bode for society? Should we rely on one sided jokes from corporate sponsors to define how we want our country, our world, to be?

That line is way muddier with the talk shows. At least you know the daily show is supposed to be funny...whereas you get all these people saying they listen to Limbaugh yet saying they don't take him seriously. But where are the jokes?

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	Originally Posted by Autumnleaf To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I have yet to see you, or anyone else, quote and disprove a story from either news source. Yet the opinion you express is common. Where is it coming from? What inclined you to think that way?

I have yet to see a daily show story reported false either.

[Distance]

Also not to be forgotten, Breitbart's sound bite clip from
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, misrepresenting what she said by slicing a comment out of context which caused her to be fired and NAACP to rebuke her. After she released the full clip, employer and NAACP reversed their decisions. To the best of my knowledge, her libel suit against Breitbart is still pending.

[Shadizar]

	Originally Posted by Autumnleaf To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Are young adults getting their political insight from satire?

Fuck, I hope so; wouldn't want them getting it from video games.

[Megalomania]

	Originally Posted by Imperator To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	...I didn't even know FB did news. The world is officially fucked.

Not so much news as it is herd behavior and unquestionably accepting what someone posts.

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That showed up on my FB feed during the primaries. You would be amazed how many people were just shocked Santorum would say such a thing. After about 20 morons had expressed their indignation, I took a moment to inform them the quote was fabricated. I was then told that it was it was "close enough" to his real views and then they attacked me because they thought I supported Santorum. But yea, we're screwed.

[thebrainpolice]

When haven't people gotten their news from shitty sources? From the Civil War historian
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Even more than the editorials or political news, soldiers read newspapers for war news, especially stories about their own units or accounts of battles in which they had fought. But they were by no means uncritical readers -- quite the contrary. The notoriously exaggerated, distorted, partisan, romanticized, and, in some cases, fictionalized accounts of battles provoked increasing cynicism among soldiers. The tendency of Southern papers to report such battles as Shiloh or Sharpsburg or Murfreesboro as "one of the most complete victories that has yet immortalized the Confederate arms" or to under-report Confederate casualties while exaggerating enemy casualties became a byword and probably undermined Confederate morale in the long run because the truth, when it eventually came out, was all the more dispiriting. "As to the newspapers, they are perfectly absurd," wrote home a South Carolina officer after the first battle of Manassas. "I hope you don't believe one-tenth of what you read." In a letter to his fiancee in 1863, a Mississippi soldier declared that "I have been so often deceived by [newspaper reports] that I've lost confidence in our press and believe nothing coming through that channel, unless I know it is so." But Northern newspapers were no slouches in the business of distortion and exaggeration, or what one journalist conceded to be "the slam-bang, going-off-half-cocked style of reporting." A Union sergeant said that "we have learned not to swallow anything whole that we see in the papers. If half the victories we read of were true the Rebellion would not have a leg to stand on." A major in the Army of the Potomac recalled after the war that "we would read with amazement accounts of what our own troops were supposed to have done." General George G. Meade himself wrote to his wife in 1864: "Do not be deceived about the situation of affairs by the foolish dispatches in the papers. Be not over-elated by reported successes, nor over-depressed by the exaggerated rumors of failures."

Newspapers always sucked.

[Imperator]

	Originally Posted by Megalomania To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	After about 20 morons had expressed their indignation, I took a moment to inform them the quote was fabricated. I was then told that it was it was "close enough" to his real views and then they attacked me because they thought I supported Santorum. But yea, we're screwed.

Americans for a more American America? Oh come on, that doesn't even sound real!

Unfortunately, I don't think the "believe whatever someone else says" theme is isolated to Facebook....

[Autumnleaf]

Originally Posted by Distance To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Also not to be forgotten, Breitbart's sound bite clip from To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. , misrepresenting what she said by slicing a comment out of context which caused her to be fired and NAACP to rebuke her. After she released the full clip, employer and NAACP reversed their decisions. To the best of my knowledge, her libel suit against Breitbart is still pending.

I saw that and she said what she said. She admitted it. I don't see where Breitbart got it wrong. Please flesh out your case on this one because I don't think you can defend what she said she did.

[Distance]

	Originally Posted by Autumnleaf To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I saw that and she said what she said. She admitted it. I don't see where Breitbart got it wrong. Please flesh out your case on this one because I don't think you can defend what she said she did.

She told a story about a thought that went through her head, one she didn't act on. That Breitbart only extracted the thought and not the subsequent expressed opposite action, is as horrendous a piece of 'journalistic' garbage as creating a cut and paste sound byte much like a ransom note.

This blatantly evidences his intent to sway his audience towards his bias, rather than objectively providing information to the public so they can come to their own conclusions.

[Booko]

My kids are in their 20s and they mostly get their news from the Comedy Channel, unless they run across a news item online or we happen to talk about something over dinner.

And this old fart gets a lot of her news there, come to think of it.

It's a sad day when Stewart and Colbert do better reporting than the actual news, but there you have it.

Speaking of satire, the only thing from the old movie Network that hasn't happened yet is the madman/newscaster being shot on air. I wonder if the folks who made that movie decades ago meant to be so prescient?

[followthehippos]

I get my news from the media and I realize it's crap and overly rhetoric. I've learned to read many view points on certain positions (and I tend to), so that I can pick up ALL or MOST of the facts in a certain story and hear what both sides have to say. It's rather annoying. I do like wallstreejournal and forbes and nytimes does pretty good too. Oh, lets not forget huffington post, they always have thorough articles (just like nytimes). Generally I use Google news to find everything I'm looking for because I can Google anything (china for instance) and I'll get thousands upon thousands of articles on a variety of topics for the country. It's pretty insane, and the spiders aren't biased, they just give you all the news articles they've crawled.

I hate facebook because everyone knows what news articles you read. I hate seeing stuff like "so-so just read [article]". Then when I see one of interest and I try to read it, it requires me to sign up for the stupid app. Which hacks me off, because I have to give it permission to track me. So I just forget it.

[thesorehead]

	Originally Posted by Booko To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	... Speaking of satire, the only thing from the old movie Network that hasn't happened yet is the madman/newscaster being shot on air. I wonder if the folks who made that movie decades ago meant to be so prescient?

I went and bought Network after seeing a clip of it in Zeitgeist. It is a damn fine movie, well deserved of its many accolades - and scarily prophetic. I think they were trying to express something as well as they could, and it just so happens that they were right!

I used to keep up with the news, but I no longer care to do so other than my specific areas of interest (gadgetry, science etc).

[Vagrant]

Young adults get political insight from a variety of means. But very few of them are traditional outlets. My girlfriend watches MSNBC shows (Rachel Maddow, the Ed Show) online. I watch Jon Stewart, follow several political figures on facebook, and check into CNN.com and Wikipedia for breaking headlines.

[Frosted]

Originally Posted by Megalomania To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Not so much news as it is herd behavior and unquestionably accepting what someone posts. [large image] That showed up on my FB feed during the primaries. You would be amazed how many people were just shocked Santorum would say such a thing. After about 20 morons had expressed their indignation, I took a moment to inform them the quote was fabricated. I was then told that it was it was "close enough" to his real views and then they attacked me because they thought I supported Santorum. But yea, we're screwed.

WOW! Yeah, we are screwed.

[eagleseven]

Most young adults don't follow politics at all. We of the INTJf politics forum are outliers.

[Arcanist]

Outliers, but just somewhat less shitty than the shitty mainstream. Still terrible and smelly though.

[larkin]

Originally Posted by Distance To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

She told a story about a thought that went through her head, one she didn't act on. That Breitbart only extracted the thought and not the subsequent expressed opposite action, is as horrendous a piece of 'journalistic' garbage as creating a cut and paste sound byte much like a ransom note. This blatantly evidences his intent to sway his audience towards his bias, rather than objectively providing information to the public so they can come to their own conclusions.

Even more horrific is the refusal to admit how wrong they were when called out. Some on this forum!

You know we're fucked when some outlets feel exactly no shame about their horrific errors, much less print a (visible) retraction. Kinda makes you think the errors are intentional, doesn't it? That they have exactly zero interest in "reporting" on anything other than their own ideology.

[Shadizar]

Was she an INTJ?