[Lilie]

I'd never get my own ears pierced, but I have to say I'm pretty tolerant of pierced ears on other people.
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Yeah, I find body modification in general unappealing. I try not to think about it too much because it's none of my business what other people do with their bodies. Even knowing that, my first impulse on noticing a tattoo is disgust. It's ink permanently injected into your skin! Ick.

[spectre14]

I have a half sleeve on my left arm and I waited until I was 27 to get it. I always liked and wanted a tattoo, but never knew exactly what I wanted. Of course, it was custom drawn and I analyzed every detail before we went forward with it. I don't have any piercings.

On a partner, tattoo's are fine. Although, I've dated girls with horrible looking tattoo's that they got way too young on a whim. Piercings are okay, but I'm really not into them. Ears are fine and something small in a nostril is cute. Lips look bad, through the middle of the nose like a bull looks bad and pretty much anywhere else to be honest.

[Cooper]

Have several tats, looking to get more.

[Canopus]

I have none and never will. My personal opinion, not that it matters to anyone but me, is that tatoos and most piercings are creepy and I avoid dealing with those that possess them.

[reckful]

Subject to the usual caveat about to each their own, my own personal reaction to a woman with a tattoo larger than an inch or two is similar to my reaction to a billboard in the middle of an otherwise scenic landscape.

Also not big on embedded metal anywhere other than the ears and belly button.

With a guy's body, it's different, since you're not defacing anything that was visually appealing to begin with.
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[Avjunza]

I've got one earring, got one 4-inch tattoo on the inside of my left arm. I like the look of them, otherwise I wouldn't have got them. I haven't decided if I'll get more or not, but most likely if I do it won't be that many.

[Pika]

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Subject to the usual caveat about to each their own, my own personal reaction to a woman with a tattoo larger than an inch or two is similar to my reaction to a billboard in the middle of an otherwise scenic landscape. Also not big on embedded metal anywhere other than the ears and belly button. To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I'm just back from a grocery shopping trip. While in the store, I encountered a woman in her mid-40's wearing a halter top and sporting a saddle blanket-sized tattoo she must have acquired before she gained about 150 pounds. It was distorted and stretched out of shape and the kindest thing I could think of was "grotesque"
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. I suspect that most folks who get tattoos don't consider the effect that age and weight gain will have on them. One can at least remove the metal appliances and let the hole grow shut; removing a tattoo after it has passed it's shelf life is another, pricey, matter entirely. And, what may be considered cool when one is twenty may be considered gauche at fifty. Were I to get the notion to sport a tat, I'd go get myself one of those transfer tattoos - the kind that wear off in a week or so. That way you get the art work without making a long commitment to something of which you could easily tire.

[Subgenius]

I have this tattooed on both heads

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[JTG]

I have one tattoo, and it's done in white ink. I hesitate to get anything obvious, because i'm not sure yet where my place will be in the corporate world, nor am i sure what place tattoos will have in the corporate world.

Really, i think prohibitions are badly outdated concerning body modification for those who wear professional attire

[firebee]

	Originally Posted by reckful To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Subject to the usual caveat about to each their own, my own personal reaction to a woman with a tattoo larger than an inch or two is similar to my reaction to a billboard in the middle of an otherwise scenic landscape.

This sort of statement seems to come up a lot -- invariably with respect to tattoos, and also sometimes with regard to other style matters such as hair and clothing -- where a female person (particularly if they are good-looking) is seen as some sort of inanimate object of beauty which some vandal has done something unaesthetic (in the eye of the observer) to. It's as if they don't think there's a person living in there, or as if the person is of no importance compared to the object.

I don't get it. And mind, it's not from not finding women attractive.

[reckful]

	Originally Posted by firebee To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	It's as if they don't think there's a person living in there, or as if the person is of no importance compared to the object. I don't get it. And mind, it's not from not finding women attractive.

Well, I don't really get your reaction. As my "usual caveat" introduction made clear (or so I thought), I was just posting my own personal aesthetic reaction in the thread, and not trying to proscribe any standards or say anything more than that.

Where you got an implication that there isn't "a person living in there" is a mystery to me. You refer to an "inanimate object of beauty," but I'd say a woman is an animate object of beauty.

I hope this clears things up.

[firebee]

	Originally Posted by reckful To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Well, I don't really get your reaction. As my "usual caveat" introduction made clear (or so I thought), I was just posting my own personal aesthetic reaction in the thread, and not trying to proscribe any standards or say anything more than that.

Well, since today is apparently the day when putting "personal" in a statement that one is making publicly renders it immune to critical analysis...

My personal reaction is probably easier to understand given that I personally view this sort of statement more from the personal perspective of the target than from the person who is annoyed that some miscreant has vandalized the pretty thing that he wanted to look at. This is probably because I've personally been the target of these sorts of statements quite often, and hence have had the personal opportunity to personally observe a pattern involving erasing the perspective of the "animate object" involved. And, admittedly, in addition to finding the perspective involved quite alien, I've personally not appreciated it all that much.

Like a cattle prod, the experience is rather different from the other end. If you're looking for understanding, that would be where to start.

[reckful]

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Well, since today is apparently the day when putting "personal" in a statement that one is making publicly renders it immune to critical analysis... My personal reaction is probably easier to understand given that I personally view this sort of statement more from the personal perspective of the target than from the person who is annoyed that some miscreant has vandalized the pretty thing that he wanted to look at. This is probably because I've personally been the target of these sorts of statements quite often, and hence have had the personal opportunity to personally observe a pattern involving erasing the perspective of the "animate object" involved. And, admittedly, in addition to finding the perspective involved quite alien, I've personally not appreciated it all that much. Like a cattle prod, the experience is rather different from the other end. If you're looking for understanding, that would be where to start.

Thanks for the lecture, firebee! Experience has shown we can always count on you for a sensitive, nuanced take on whatever's under discussion!

Let's review this particular episode, shall we?

The OP started a thread in which she asked us, "What do you guys think about Body Piercing / Tattoos / Body Modification?" and noted, "I personally like them, even though they are a another type of fashion statement or accessory."

Kind of a superficial topic, an enlightened sage like you might be inclined to point out, since it relates to external appearances rather than "the person living in there," as you so aptly put it. But what the heck. I wasn't particularly busy when I browsed the thread, so I figured I'd put in my $0.02. I said:

	Originally Posted by reckful To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Subject to the usual caveat about to each their own, my own personal reaction to a woman with a tattoo larger than an inch or two is similar to my reaction to a billboard in the middle of an otherwise scenic landscape.

Holy fuck! What was I thinking, eh? Comparing the natural state of a woman's body to a "scenic landscape" and a largish tattoo to a billboard!

So in you rode on your snow-white steed and took me to task for my clearly-demonstrated propensity to view a woman as "some sort of inanimate object" — "as if [I] don't think there's a person living in there, or as if the person is of no importance compared to the object."

I then replied to your post, noting that I'd thought I'd just offered the kind of reply the OP was looking for — namely, my own personal aesthetic reaction to tattoos, along the same lines as the OP's "I personally like them".

I kind of liked the scenic landscape/billboard analogy, too, dammit. Both the landscape and the woman are things that are beautiful in their natural state. And both the billboard and the largish tattoo are things that I tend to dislike the looks of not because of their content (whatever might be on the billboard, or whatever the particular tattoo might be) but because they're an artificial, man-made visual addition that, to me, tends to mar the "natural look" that I personally prefer.

But anyway, now you've returned with an even more screeching and misdirected outburst than your first post, comparing my billboard post to attacking a woman with a cattle prod.

So here's the current tally as I see it:

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Offensive posts by firebee in this thread: 2

[Lilie]

	Originally Posted by firebee To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	This is probably because I've personally been the target of these sorts of statements quite often, and hence have had the personal opportunity to personally observe a pattern involving erasing the perspective of the "animate object" involved. And, admittedly, in addition to finding the perspective involved quite alien, I've personally not appreciated it all that much.

I'm curious about the circumstances of this. I personally make a point of not telling people with tattoos that I find tattoos repulsive, even if they insist on showing their tattoos to me. I just avoid the question of aesthetics by asking what it means to them or how long it took or something. I might be honest about hair, clothes, and other easily changed things, but tattoos are in the category of "if you can't say anything nice..." along with height, body type, etc. No point in making them feel bad about it.

[firebee]

Originally Posted by Lilie To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I'm curious about the circumstances of this. I personally make a point of not telling people with tattoos that I find tattoos repulsive, even if they insist on showing their tattoos to me. I just avoid the question of aesthetics by asking what it means to them or how long it took or something. I might be honest about hair, clothes, and other easily changed things, but tattoos are in the category of "if you can't say anything nice..." along with height, body type, etc. No point in making them feel bad about it.

I'm a woman who presents in a very masculine manner, and from when I was young I've been subject to commentary of varying intensity about my appearance and how I need to change it "because I'm too good-looking to not (whatever)". Most of the persistent and repeated commentary being from family, naturally. That the way I present is in theory changeable makes it worse precisely because of what you said -- if my eyeballs were uneven or something then it'd be pretty obvious that regardless of anyone's opinion they were going to stay that way, but if my shirts don't put my tits on display or if my pants "hide my lovely legs" or if my short hair is "just a shame" then in theory it's possible the problem can be solved if one just comments on it one more time despite the past twenty years of "one more time" having not proved effective.

This, actually, is part of the reason whyfor the nontraditional piercings and the contemplation of tattoos, or at least why I appreciate the (prospect of) having them -- because it's a very distinct diversion from the notion that my bone structure makes my role in life that of a walking department store dummy for clothes that other people like and I detest.

[Smacknrat]

I didn't like tattoos or piercings until I got them myself. Body mods are cool, but I'd never get any myself and can't imagine how someone couldn't think ahead and not figure it'd be a bad idea...

Small Tattoo: $150 and 30 mins
Small Tattoo Removal: $2,200 and 15 mins sessions every month for 2 years (That's right, it's not a quick laser session at all)

Engineer / Corporate worker so all my tats and piercings (dermel implants that eventually fell out) were hidden with a shit and pants.

[Fluffy]

I like them. They can be very sexy if done right. Thought about getting a sleeve myself to express the inner warrior in me.

[Hydro]

I just read the other day that tattoos are the new way of marking lower class people to make their identification easier.
At least in my culture there is some truth in it.

Nonetheless I also met several women where I have to admit that their tattoos (the style, the colors and the quality) perfectly matched their personality and made them very interesting persons to talk to. The question of course is what impression will they make once their personality has evolved further???

[VagrantChord]

	Originally Posted by Hydro To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I just read the other day that tattoos are the new way of marking lower class people to make their identification easier. At least in my culture there is some truth in it.

Like in 1941?

[Smacknrat]

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	Like in 1941?

I buy this. In this month's IEEE Computer Society's magazine was:
Tattoo Image Matching and Retrieval

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Definitely, seems to come across as a way to catch terrorist suspects or something...


What I'm trying to say (just so my post isn't deleted, for being "off-topic", and edited, for having a meme image in it) is that all my tattoos are custom.

[Booko]

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	I'd never get my own ears pierced, but I have to say I'm pretty tolerant of pierced ears on other people. To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

LOL you reminded me of my own family. Mom and I wanted to get our ears pierced but until Dad died that wasn't possible. The whole extended family had the idea that having your ears pierced was for black girls and hookers. Ah yes, the Good Old Days some in my generation want to go back to.
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No thanks.

Neither I nor my daughter will likely ever get a tattoo even if we wanted one. We can barely find a shampoo we don't have a reaction too -- I'd hate to think what the health consequences would be getting ink put into our bodies. I don't know what in it and even so we've come up allergic to some of the weirdest things at this point. I think it's safe to say we I won't be getting a spray tan during our lifetime either.

I've seen a few I really liked, and oddly they were not at all discrete.

The INTJ friend that pointed me at this forum has the most awesome Cowboy Bebop tats. She designed them herself and they're well-executed. But then she's been a tattoo artist herself.

The other best set I've seen was a contractor that redid my kitchen. What an interesting guy. He was very serious about martial arts and beginning to study acupuncture as well, and his tats reflected his interest in Eastern culture.

I suppose some people in my age group would've thought of these two people as "scary" but it's their loss.

[quietguy]

I am a happy, low class, ignorant, degenerate! I have 5 tat's, ride a Harley, drink beer, associate with other low class individuals, and wont go anywhere near a church. IMHO, what's the point of looking good in a casket if you didn't enjoy your life? Money and status don't equal happiness; although I hear you can rent them for a while. To each their own I guess.

[Zodd]

Originally Posted by Hydro To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I just read the other day that tattoos are the new way of marking lower class people to make their identification easier. At least in my culture there is some truth in it. Nonetheless I also met several women where I have to admit that their tattoos (the style, the colors and the quality) perfectly matched their personality and made them very interesting persons to talk to. The question of course is what impression will they make once their personality has evolved further???

If you've never talked to those several women, would you seriously think there aren't cool people with tattoos? How can you not think tattoos are cool, just how it looks, not who mostly wears them.

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[DesertKnight]

My father is covered in them. Two full sleeves (yup even in the center of the elbow), both knuckles, the back of both hands, chest, back, and across his neck is a sickly looking smile with sharp teeth and eyes at the sides of his neck.

I don't believe that class has anything to do with people who have tattoos, but in my father's case he isn't helping disprove the theory as he is one of the most worthless people I've ever known.

[Ziltoid]

I have one tattoo currently, it's a partial sleeve (Well, perhaps not even... It more accurately might just be called a large forearm tattoo), which I absolutely love and cannot foresee myself ever regretting or growing out of. The only thing currently preventing me from getting more work done is that I'm extremely OCD and picky about designs. Probably an Enneagram type 4 complex.

It has taken prettymuch my entire life thus far to come up with a design that I liked enough to use, so, I'm not sure how much more tattooed I'll be five, ten, or twenty years down the road.

I don't ever see myself getting piercings or anything else, though. I enjoy tattoos for the artistic merit and chance to make a statement/tell a story, I guess... I'm not really sure how deep of a statement one can make by putting holes in yourself and sticking metal thingies in them or splitting your tongue down the middle so it looks like a snake's.