[Nightmare]

Anyone else face this conundrum?

I'm sorry, fellow forum S-dom's or S-aux's (mostly STs), but from what I've seen* you suck as friends. You fail to realize my intentions, are quick to jump to things that satisfy you quickly rather than look at the big picture, and you just say and do the most mindless, meaningless, unintelligible nonsense. It's a good thing you all are moving away (end of semester), and we're all going in separate directions, so that I won't have to deal with you again.

Good day...

(*)

[Harmony]

And how old are you and how old are they?

[Nightmare]

	Originally Posted by Harmony To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	And how old are you and how old are they?

Wittel babies.

[Harmony]

Ha, I was just curious, because I could see myself being that way when I was in my teens/early twenties, but not so much anymore.

[Thinktress]

I have some SP friends, and my bf is an ISTP. I don't really have any problem with it. I find that sensors have some strengths that I lack, so I try to learn from them. My bf and I used to argue a bit because we have a different way of processing information, but now we just try to respect that we have different processes.

[Nightmare]

	Originally Posted by Thinktress To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I have some SP friends, and my bf is an ISTP. I don't really have any problem with it. I find that sensors have some strengths that I lack, so I try to learn from them. My bf and I used to argue a bit because we have a different way of processing information, but now we just try to respect that we have different processes.

Se-doms in particular seem too sporadic and black/white to me... I can pick out which of my friends are Se's immediately, just like I can pick out which of them are Ni/Ne's, though I really am generalizing in a way I myself don't like by saying these things.

I should stop there, haha. I sound like an idiot ><

[omega2]

One of my friends who I used to be very close to, but is now drifting away from me gradually is an ESTJ (I believe, because as far as I know, he hasn't taken the MBTI). He has made very rash decisions before and jumps to conclusions about people's intentions quite often. In fact, one of the reasons we're drifting apart is because of him assuming something grossly different from what I was actually thinking. Then, when I tried to explain to him, he cut me off and told me I was being rude for jumping to conclusions about something, which makes no sense since I was explaining my own thoughts. This, accompanied with a few other similar incidents has led me closer to a different friend who I believe is an INFP, but again I'm not sure.

I find it kind of laughable that at least in my experiences, the sensors don't make sense.

[Owfin]

I'm not bothered by your friends sucking other than "Hey, stop being a bad representative for my type bro". I'm not gonna say that everybody's perfect or your friends aren't really like you think they are because I don't know anything about them.

Rant on, my, uh, friends.

[followthehippos]

This thread is hilarious! You should get some ENTP friends, not quite annoying but wielding of Ne and all. Plus, you won't have to endure the INTJs overzealous need to be right all the time (overly serious and overly analytical I mean). That can wear down on ENFP types. Though, outside of that the relationships can be amazing. I live with an ENFP, but, we don't talk much.

[Espadrille]

	Originally Posted by nightmar149 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Se-doms in particular seem too sporadic and black/white to me... I can pick out which of my friends are Se's immediately, just like I can pick out which of them are Ni/Ne's, though I really am generalizing in a way I myself don't like by saying these things. I should stop there, haha. I sound like an idiot ><

No one is an idiot.

[followthehippos]

You sure about that?

[dogwoodlover]

I'm going to go out on a limb here... and venture a guess that you probably don't really understand what Sensing is, or how to distinguish it in-person.

Nothing you said indicates Sensation and when it comes to "intentions" Se types are usually among the most keen at picking them up.

[Evil Muffin]

Originally Posted by omega2 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

One of my friends who I used to be very close to, but is now drifting away from me gradually is an ESTJ (I believe, because as far as I know, he hasn't taken the MBTI). He has made very rash decisions before and jumps to conclusions about people's intentions quite often. In fact, one of the reasons we're drifting apart is because of him assuming something grossly different from what I was actually thinking. Then, when I tried to explain to him, he cut me off and told me I was being rude for jumping to conclusions about something, which makes no sense since I was explaining my own thoughts. This, accompanied with a few other similar incidents has led me closer to a different friend who I believe is an INFP, but again I'm not sure. I find it kind of laughable that at least in my experiences, the sensors don't make sense.

Same here

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[Async]

Matured sensors are quite ok to be with. Although, it should be noted that maturity doesn't always equate with age.

[scorpiomover]

My mum is a Sensor. My driving instructor as well. They are some of the smartest people I know, and people with PhDs are ten-a-penny round my way. So I suggest, that your dislike for Sensors, is a PREFERENCE of yours, that is simply like those people who refuse to fly, because they do not like being more than 6 feet off the ground.

That, or you simply don't choose your friends, and let assholes choose to be your friends for you.

Either way, not a good reason to rag on billions of people you don't know, and many of whom are 30 points in IQ above you.

[SarcasticVlad]

	Originally Posted by Nightmare To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	You fail to realize my intentions

This is actually my problem with most sensors that surround me. They are all in their 20s like me. So this might stem from immaturity. They are quick to assume that my motives are malicious and that I'm being arrogant asshole when I try to tell them how to do something better and more efficient. They instantly jump to defend themselves from criticism. And of course they do it by attacking my personality. They don't assume for a second that I just want to help them and teach them how to do something better. It's not my intention to order them around and establish some kind of authority over them. I don't give a fuck about that, or them. I only care about the problem at hand. They don't seem to understand that. And when I try explain it to them, they don't believe me. They think I'm being a condescending smartass.

[Async]

I have met sensors who are quite smart. OP, you said that they don't understand your intentions, do you try to see things from their point of views? Perhaps, their actions made a lot of sense, to them.

Immature people that behave badly can cut across any MBTI type, including the NTs. Different immature types exhibit different immature behaviours.

[scorpiomover]

Originally Posted by SarcasticVlad To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

This is actually my problem with most sensors that surround me. They are all in their 20s like me. So this might stem from immaturity. They are quick to assume that my motives are malicious and that I'm being arrogant asshole when I try to tell them how to do something better and more efficient. They instantly jump to defend themselves from criticism. And of course they do it by attacking my personality. They don't assume for a second that I just want to help them and teach them how to do something better. It's not my intention to order them around and establish some kind of authority over them. I don't give a fuck about that, or them. I only care about the problem at hand. They don't seem to understand that. And when I try explain it to them, they don't believe me. They think I'm being a condescending smartass.

Younger people tend to do that, particularly men, because they are trying to publicise themselves as being competent and capable, mainly to show themselves as being potent, and deserving of a healthy mate. For them to agree that they need help in any way, suggests to them, that it would remind others of their gross incompetence and inexperience that is due to their youth. They fear that greatly, as it would make them worried they would be perceived of as not a powerful Alpha worthy of an attractive, young and healthy mate.

Older people also tend to do that, not as much, but you get them as well. There, you are challenging the authority that they have used to build a family structure, and/or respect, esteem and power, in their family, in their workplace, and/or amongst their friends. For them, admitting your idea has merit, suggests to them that others might see them as needing help, and thus lacking in the power, respect and esteem for their expertise and competency, that they currently believe others to hold for them.

Basic psychology.

One common suggestion is to present the idea in such a way, that they can present it as their own idea, without giving you the credit for having said it. Then they can do it, without looking like they need help.

Of course, that may not be to your liking, in which case, you can always keep your mouth shut, watch them fail miserably, and enjoy snickering smugly at themselves screwing themselves over, for consistently refusing your help.

[SarcasticVlad]

	Originally Posted by scorpiomover To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	One common suggestion is to present the idea in such a way, that they can present it as their own idea, without giving you the credit for having said it. Then they can do it, without looking like they need help.

You see this is why some people see you as an ISFJ. That's exactly what my mother does.

	Originally Posted by scorpiomover To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Of course, that may not be to your liking, in which case, you can always keep your mouth shut, watch them fail miserably, and enjoy snickering smugly at themselves screwing themselves over, for consistently refusing your help.

That would work.

[scorpiomover]

	Originally Posted by SarcasticVlad To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	You see this is why some people see you as an ISFJ. That's exactly what my mother does.

Except that I don't actually do that all that much. I merely read about the idea, realised that it was a useful tool, and then suggested to others that it might be a useful tool for them as well.

I am obviously much more misunderstood here, than I ever imagined.

Better just write in Octary or Heiroglyphs. I'd be just as well understood.

[True Rune]

You're just unsatisfied with them.. are you lacking an intellectual outlet where you are? Weird considering you're in school.

[Amphorian]

I come online and mainly specifically here to get intellectual stimulation. Or I talk with my ENTP sibling. I get good discussion out of an IXTP friend as well.

Is it that you have different interests then your friends? If so, find some friends that have similar interests and modes of discussion as you.

Also you'll notice quite a few threads in the Lounge here are about mundane things. Like the, "What did are you drinking?" thread. And people here have some pretty black and white thinking at times, as well as the other behaviors you mentioned. I wouldn't peg such topics and modes of discussions only on sensors.

[SarcasticVlad]

	Originally Posted by scorpiomover To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Except that I don't actually do that all that much. I merely read about the idea, realised that it was a useful tool, and then suggested to others that it might be a useful tool for them as well. I am obviously much more misunderstood here, than I ever imagined. Better just write in Octary or Heiroglyphs. I'd be just as well understood.

I didn't say that you are an ISFJ. I was just giving you an insight into why some people might think you are.

[scorpiomover]

	Originally Posted by SarcasticVlad To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I didn't say that you are an ISFJ. I was just giving you an insight into why some people might think you are.

I thought that was what you were trying to get across.

But really, it's not necessary. If you look at this
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, one poster says I am an ISTP, because he is an anarchist, and believes that the only "logical" thing is anarchy, and I disagree, and so he thinks that must be because I'm "conventional".

There is a pattern to how others are typing me.