[IncorrectLabel]

	So, you present the To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. .

I've watched the videos ( very interesting stuff, I enjoy it), and read the links. I still believe everything can be explained with the chicken or the egg example. Information , double slit experiment , Probability, virtuality, etc.

Some examples off the top of my head:

The TED video. In it a point is made that we possibly missed a point in time to where we had a chance to understand different forms of information and that maybe in the future when all space time has expanded away from our descendants, they will not be able to take measurements the way we do because of the timing of their existence.

Chicken or the Egg. How can the Egg or Chick figure out at some point certain measurements of its own existence if it is the 2nd or 3rd generation from the original.... What ever it means to be the original.

Basically, trying to understand the world with probable and limited information. I don't see how this a big change from what other philosophers and scientist have proposed. But I never heard of the two men in the videos and I find them intriguing.

[PlatoHagel]

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I've watched the videos ( very interesting stuff, I enjoy it), and read the links. I still believe everything can be explained with the chicken or the egg example. Information , double slit experiment , Probability, virtuality, etc. Some examples off the top of my head: The TED video. In it a point is made that we possibly missed a point in time to where we had a chance to understand different forms of information and that maybe in the future when all space time has expanded away from our descendants, they will not be able to take measurements the way we do because of the timing of their existence. Chicken or the Egg. How can the Egg or Chick figure out at some point certain measurements of its own existence if it is the 2nd or 3rd generation from the original.... What ever it means to be the original. Basically, trying to understand the world with probable and limited information. I don't see how this a big change from what other philosophers and scientist have proposed. But I never heard of the two men in the videos and I find them intriguing.

I went through the links I gave you and was trying to track down which TED video you were referring too? Was it on Cymatics?

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	Basically, trying to understand the world with probable and limited information. I don't see how this a big change from what other philosophers and scientist have proposed. But I never heard of the two men in the videos and I find them intriguing.

Sean Carroll is a man of good standing in science and has been most helpful in his dialogue with the public. By example he set up the meet with the philosopher David Albert who is of good standing as well. This Diavlog was to demonstrate how a scientist
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in concert while working with a philosopher.

I have
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in that if one were to say indeed all information could have been collapsed, then inside the blackhole information is abundant. If the temperature here is levelled
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then how is it that consciousness could have ever entertained this to exist in the human mind? You see my problem?

[RBM]

	Originally Posted by SL10
	Understanding this is a virtual reality has helped immensely with this but I won't pretend that that is the best route for everyone

This hits me in the funny bone.

Imagine telling someone that understanding gravity works for them 'but I won't pretend that that is the best route for everyone'.

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	Originally Posted by PlatoHagel
	Yes you helped me to remember the insight of, by the definition of reality as information. Yes, this in context of Thomas Young's experiment. Where NPMR sits before the collapse and where the collapse of the wave function sits in relation too, PMR. I will have to move forward from there. Always open to corrections.

You seem to be on a roll at the intellectual level, at least. I can't tell for sure at the Being level, given this medium :-)

Do you have a comfortable grasp on the double-slits interpretations from the orthodox views ?

Tom, differs in his interpretation there, distinctly, also.

[SJ10]

^Yeah, to you and me that probably seems like a funny statement, but based on the looks and reactions to some I've talked to, their part in the fundamental process will take place without that revelation (at least in PMR).

I've also met individuals that felt gravity didn't apply to them like everyone else, so go figure.

[RBM]

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	^Yeah, to you and me that probably seems like a funny statement, but based on the looks and reactions to some I've talked to, their part in the fundamental process will take place without that revelation (at least in PMR).

Oh well,l I've gotten my share of such reactions on this board. In my past new age social circles I could, under VERY limited circumstances broach MBT. That assessment is total speculation as I'm not in those social circles any more.

	I've also met individuals that felt gravity didn't apply to them like everyone else, so go figure.

Heheh, In my experience, that's usually the case of a testosterone poisoned twenty or thirty-something male.

[PlatoHagel]

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	You seem to be on a roll at the intellectual level, at least. I can't tell for sure at the Being level, given this medium :-)

Well I can truly say that I can be thick as a brick sometimes intellectually as well as emotionally but I do strive to be a better human being when I can.

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	Do you have a comfortable grasp on the double-slits interpretations from the orthodox views ?

Well I have paid attention to
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in terms of what the Photon is doing.
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	Tom, differs in his interpretation there, distinctly, also.

You have to be specific here.

[RBM]

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	Well I can truly say that I can be thick as a brick sometimes intellectually as well as emotionally but I do strive to be a better human being when I can.

We all do the best we can.

	Well I have paid attention to To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. in terms of what the Photon is doing. To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. .

'I'm shocked ! Young !? And you call yourself a researcher ?' /joke

Seriously, there has been loads and loads of experiments about this cause it is so counter intuitive - especially to those who think they know how the world works, like quantum physicists.

The most recent experiment is called a 'delayed-choice quantum eraser' experiment.

	You have to be specific here.

Ok. Here is an at length discussion in a workshop from Tom, at Calgary >
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Here's a .pdf of the
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( I'm pretty sure these are the correct ones).

In the workshop Tom spends lots of time on the double-slit and the quantum erasure experiments. The first segment is over an hour.

The short summary of Tom's position is 'reality as information, has to be consistent'. I don't expect this to mean much out of context of the experiments discussions.

[PlatoHagel]

	'Tis yours a Bacon or a Locke to blame, A Newton's genius, or a Milton's flame: But oh! with One, immortal one dispense; The source of Newton's Light, of Bacon's Sense. (Dunciad, III, 215-18)

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	We all do the best we can. 'I'm shocked ! Young !? And you call yourself a researcher ?' /joke

Ya okay....maybe I do have a little
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then Young but I always start from a historical basis, and in this regard,
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as well.
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To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Shahriar S. Afshar Bohr's principle of complementarity predicts that in a welcher weg ("which-way") experiment, obtaining fully visible interference pattern should lead to the destruction of the path knowledge. Here I report a failure for this prediction in an optical interferometry experiment. Coherent laser light is passed through a dual pinhole and allowed to go through a converging lens, which forms well-resolved images of the respective pinholes, providing complete path knowledge. A series of thin wires are then placed at previously measured positions corresponding to the dark fringes of the interference pattern upstream of the lens. No reduction in the resolution and total radiant flux of either image is found in direct disagreement with the predictions of the principle of complementarity. In this paper, a critique of the current measurement theory is offered, and a novel nonperturbative technique for ensemble properties is introduced. Also, another version of this experiment without an imaging lens is suggested, and some of the implications of the violation of complementarity for another suggested experiment to investigate the nature of the photon and its "empty wave" is briefly discussed.

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The most beautiful experiment?

To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. The double-slit experiment exemplifies the wave-particle duality of light, as well as quantum physics itself. It demonstrates that light interferes with itself in passing through a pair of slits. It also shows that even single electrons - proceeding one by one - interfere. Richard Feynman is said to have remarked that it contains everything you need to know about quantum mechanics.

[RBM]

Ok, so you low-balled your reply.

I have to look up author's and what not to keep up on the body of literature founded on the initial DS experiment. I'm honestly not interested in those details. I understand you are.

In the Calgary video, above Tom cuts to the chase on the process. As is obvious on this board among layman and professionals the belief in 'objective reality out there' isn't going to let facts stand in the way. Tom quotes Feynman and notable others in his discourse to underscore that mindset. At one point he makes the observation of Einstein's 25 or 30 year tenure without a paper saying only Einstein could get away with that.

The clip will undoubtedly weigh on your belief structure, should you choose to view it. I understand time management is crucial for you, so

Good Luck.

[PlatoHagel]

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	Ok, so you low-balled your reply.

No, more that as you get older you tend to forget where you've been and doing the work in terms of archiving information in this medium serves to help to remember. Anyway historically it had to begin somewhere and it leads to where you are now whether one likes to admit it or not. It wouldn't have been possible for such evolution of science constructs to have been possible? Or how one might perceive the subject depends whether the data history then was available for them.

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	I have to look up author's and what not to keep up on the body of literature founded on the initial DS experiment. I'm honestly not interested in those details. I understand you are.

Obviously there was an anchor for you here, so, whether two people can travel the same path and come out toward probable outcomes remains to be seen?
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In the Calgary video, above Tom cuts to the chase on the process. As is obvious on this board among layman and professionals the belief in 'objective reality out there' isn't going to let facts stand in the way. Tom quotes Feynman and notable others in his discourse to underscore that mindset. At one point he makes the observation of Einstein's 25 or 30 year tenure without a paper saying only Einstein could get away with that.

Time:
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No your right some of us will not let the facts stand in the way and for good reason. For me anyway....for others firmly entrenched it may not be so easy to loosen the anchors that they have with their entrenchment in the world.

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	The clip will undoubtedly weigh on your belief structure, should you choose to view it.

I always leave room for what may be offered. What did it offer you?

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	I understand time management is crucial for you, so

I can always find time.

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	In the workshop Tom spends lots of time on the double-slit and the quantum erasure experiments.

Time:
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[MysteriousGnome]

A short aside if someone can answer. According to MBT the LCS is essentially a finite collection of binary cells. And evolution supposedly tends towards lower entropy. But the lowest entropy of zero is achieved when all the cells take the same value zero (or one). On the other hand this is essentially the void, the initial condition postulated by MBT. So why would there be any reason to leave that state at all?

I'm guessing that the answer is that entropy as defined by MBT has nothing to do with entropy as used in information theory. Just another overload of terminology that is very deceiving. The closest he gets to actually saying what he means by entropy is saying that it's more structured, the rest of it is just circular references relying on undefined things.

[PlatoHagel]

	"The end he (the artist) strives for is something else than a perfectly executed print. His aim is to depict dreams, ideas, or problems in such a way that other people can observe and consider them." - M.C. Escher

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Can you trace the patterns in nature toward matter manifestations?

	To them, I said, the truth would be literally nothing but the shadows of the images. -Plato, The Republic (Book VII)

The idea here is about how one's observation and model perceptions arises from some ordered perspective. Some use a starting point as an assumption of position. Do recognize "the starting point" in the previous examples?

	Originally Posted by MysteriousGnome
	The closest he gets to actually saying what he means by entropy is saying that it's more structured, the rest of it is just circular references relying on undefined things.

The effective realization that particle constructs are somehow smaller windows of a much larger perspective fails to take in account this idea that I am expressing as a foundational approach to that starting point.

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If you do not go all the way toward defining of that "point of equilibrium" how are you to understand how information is easily transferred to the individual from a much larger reality of existence? One would assume information is all around us? That there are multitudes of pathways that allow us to arrive at some some probability density configuration as some measure of an
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Of course there are problems with this in terms of our defining a heat death in individuals?

That's not possible so one is missing the understanding here about equilibrium. I might have said we are positional in terms of the past and the future with regard to memory and the anticipated future? How is that heat death correlated? It can't.

So you have to look for examples in relation to how one may arrive at that beginning point. Your theory may not be sufficiently dealing with the information as it is expressed in terms of your approach to the small window?

There are mathematical inspections here that have yet to be associated with more then discrete functions of reality as expressive building blocks of interpretation. The basic assumption of discrete function still exists in contrast to continuity of expression. This is the defining realization in assuming te model that MBT provides. I have meet the same logic in the differences of scientific approach toward the definition of what is becoming?

On the one hand, a configuration space as demonstrated by Tom that is vastly used in science. On the other, a recognition of how thick in measure viscosity is realized and what the physics is in this association. Not just the physical manifestation of, but of what happens when equilibrium is reached. Hot or very cold.
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Temperature, is not a problem then?

See my problem is that I can show you levitation of objects using superconductors but I cannot produce this in real life without that science. Yet, in face of that science I know that something can happen irregardless of what all the science said, so I am looking as well to combining the meta with the physical to realize that such a conditions may arise in how we as a total culture have accepted the parameters of our thinking.

So by dealing with those parameters I too hoped to see a cultural shift(paradigm and Kuhn) by adoption of the realization as we are with regard to the way in which we function in this reality. So if your thinking abut gravity how is this possible within the "frame work" to have it encroach upon our very own psychological makeup too?

[SJ10]

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A short aside if someone can answer. According to MBT the LCS is essentially a finite collection of binary cells. And evolution supposedly tends towards lower entropy. But the lowest entropy of zero is achieved when all the cells take the same value zero (or one). On the other hand this is essentially the void, the initial condition postulated by MBT. So why would there be any reason to leave that state at all? I'm guessing that the answer is that entropy as defined by MBT has nothing to do with entropy as used in information theory. Just another overload of terminology that is very deceiving. The closest he gets to actually saying what he means by entropy is saying that it's more structured, the rest of it is just circular references relying on undefined things.

Towards the very end of the book he talks about entropy being different than what is used in information theory but I couldn't find a solid definition. I think the point about entropy is more of a conceptual comparison than an exact law of science or IT. I don't understand Shannon entropy well, or how it is exactly related to that of classical thermodynamic entropy , but from what I gather the MBT entropy is perhaps a combination of both.

By that I mean entropy reduction and the fundamental process are about asking "What is there, or what is possible?" in a very grand sense. To do this the system needs to expand and explore in an efficient way while sharing what is learned with the "whole". High entropy, both personal and in a broader sense is less efficient exploartion and information contribution (relatively disordered information). It appears the process is more imporatant than the goal (0 or 1 state), so I don't expect there to be a point of "actualization". AUM is not revealed as infinite, but it and the process may appear to be from our space-time perspective.

Why leave the initial state? I don't know. Why an initial state? Big picture things are hard for anyone to know from the little picture PMR / VR. I hope it's revealed to me at some point though.

[RBM]

@SJ10

Pretty good job of paraphrasing.

	Originally Posted by MyaateriousGnome
	I'm guessing that the answer is that entropy as defined by MBT has nothing to do with entropy as used in information theory. Just another overload of terminology that is very deceiving. The closest he gets to actually saying what he means by entropy is saying that it's more structured, the rest of it is just circular references relying on undefined things

MBT Wiki>

Entropy is a measure of disorder, or equivalently, a measure of the amount of energy available to "do work" in thermodynamics. Information sciences, computer sciences, and communication sciences have used the concept of entropy relative to information content versus randomness (signal to noise ratio). In MBT, the term is used to describe the level of informational organization within a system of consciousness. [some other forum 1] Since MBT models consciousness as a digital information system, lower entropy equates to more information, more organization, more personal power, more love, less randomness, less disorder, less ego, and less fear. While the definition of entropy is typically divided between the usage in thermodynamics and information theory, there are similarities [External 1] and entropy in MBT subsumes both definitions. The fundamental process of evolution drives consciousness to lower its entropy. If it did not, randomness and disorder would increase to the point of complete dissolution of consciousness. An analogy of this maximum entropy state would be a computer disk after it has been formatted. PMR systems naturally dissipate their energy [MBT Trilogy 1], and this is known as the Second Law of Thermodynamics (it is part of the rule-set). Consciousness is based upon reality cells that exist within the Larger Consciousness System which encompasses, creates and sustains PMR. For an elucidating fictional story about the limits of entropy in PMR, a short story: "The Last Question" by Isaac Asimov is recommended.

[PlatoHagel]

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“You ask Multivac. I dare you. Five dollars says it can’t be done.” “Adell was just drunk enough to try, just sober enough to be able to phrase the necessary symbols and operations into a question which, in words, might have corresponded to this: Will mankind one day without the net expenditure of energy be able to restore the sun to its full youthfulness even after it had died of old age? Or maybe it could be put more simply like this: How can the net amount of entropy of the universe be massively decreased? Multivac fell dead and silent. The slow flashing of lights ceased, the distant sounds of clicking relays ended. Then, just as the frightened technicians felt they could hold their breath no longer, there was a sudden springing to life of the teletype attached to that portion of Multivac. Five words were printed: To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. .

Sounds like a Rogerian Therapist called Eliza who when it wants too does what it does best, make it appears it is intelligent. Eliza just throws you back into a loop. A Bot. The Bot controls the situation with it's parameters, as if society too, is thrown into a loop?

When one looks at the Bell Curve I thought there are many things that can be overlapped....although I know I have to be careful here as it could cause a lot of confusion too. Well, you know what I mean?
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The ground state of a quantum harmonic oscillator has the Gaussian distribution.

What the heck is a
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Lets see if there is any well versed MBTers here?
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You have to pay attention how Tom incorporates all the science. I liked his comparison too, two different groups of people. One group who in relation to entropic valuation of Hell, can cause the opposite of RBMs explanation taken from the MBT site.

	Originally Posted by MBT wiki
	Since MBT models consciousness as a digital information system, lower entropy equates to more information, more organization, more personal power, more love, less randomness, less disorder, less ego, and less fear

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Just a point of interest. Keep an open mind
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[RBM]

@ PlatoHagel

Ahhh, thanks for re-pointing at that 'assismov thread' at your blog. I had been trying to recall when I read the MBT 'entropy quote' where I had last seen the assimov reference, but couldn't dig it out - yeah, it was your blog when you pointed at it elsewhere at INTJf.

[PlatoHagel]

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is a 2000 science-fiction film that contains elements of the time travel, thriller and alternate history film genres.
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Also......

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This image depicts the interaction of nine plane waves—expanding sets of ripples, like the waves you would see if you simultaneously dropped nine stones into a still pond. The pattern is called a quasicrystal because it has an ordered structure, but the structure never repeats exactly. The waves produced by dropping four or more stones into a pond always form a quasicrystal. Because of the wavelike properties of matter at subatomic scales, this pattern could also be seen in the waveform that describes the location of an electron. Harvard physicist Eric Heller created this computer rendering and added color to make the pattern’s structure easier to see. See: What Is This? A Psychedelic Place Mat?

Tom routinely refers to the "Fractionation of the system" as Fractals? One does not just want to find the beginning of the Universe, but one also wants to find the beginning of the souls symbolic representation, as to it's beginnings as well. Maybe you are a good artist and like to draw the birth of your own beginning? To understand one's wholeness?

These are Intently recognize in the virtual reality you explore, and are capable of exploring.

[RBM]

Tom's usage, as I understand it, regarding fractals, is that it's can also be reflected in processes.

	Originally Posted by PlatoHagel
	Maybe you are a good artist and like to draw the birth of your own beginning?

Haha my personal artiste' is buried deep much I suspect as Gurdjieff's dog was. I don't expect to uncover it in the 'morrow :-)

[PlatoHagel]

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	Tom's usage, as I understand it, regarding fractals, is that it's can also be reflected in processes.

That`s what I thought when he said it.....so what does a 2D picture represent.

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Romanesco broccoli fractals

And no......we are not all Broccoli.
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[RBM]

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not Broccoli, such a let down, I can't accept that. I might end it all to be with the Great Broccoli in the sky. /jk

A metaphor made of symbols, is a 2-D representation.

[PlatoHagel]

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	A metaphor made of symbols, is a 2-D representation.

Do you want to clarify that further in terms of MBT?
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On a surface a picture has x and y....on a computer screen...it has 5D capabilities....so your saying a metaphor is a 2d picture?

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This may appear intellectual from a certain perspective
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but it is a necessary feature of understanding a model like relativity and Riemann contributions to Einstein? Especially assuming MBT is inclusive of these understandings and developments with regard to science and our questions about time, time dilation, time travel etc.

[RBM]

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	Do you want to clarify that further in terms of MBT? To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. On a surface a picture has x and y....on a computer screen...it has 5D capabilities....so your saying a metaphor is a 2d picture?

Hmmm, x and y have special meaning assigned in such a physical configuration of paper with the meaning given via consciousness.

This may appear intellectual from a certain perspective To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. but it is a necessary feature of understanding a model like relativity and Riemann contributions to Einstein? Especially assuming MBT is inclusive of these understandings and developments with regard to science and our questions about time, time dilation, time travel etc.

Tom's TOE model doesn't speculate of the details of the models it is inclusive on. The issue can Tom's TOE derive the details of such models that deal with PMR (Physical Matter Reality) or not.

For example, the recent snafu regarding the speed of light. If the speed had turned out different, it wouldn't have mattered to the TOE. Tom has also mentioned how c, as it is, fits into the VR nature of the Reality Wide Web.

[PlatoHagel]

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	Hmmm, x and y have special meaning assigned in such a physical configuration of paper with the meaning given via consciousness.

Of course. Then I would have to say the mandala is a 2D interpretation of a 5D examination.

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	Tom's TOE model doesn't speculate of the details of the models it is inclusive on.

If you wish to reject the geometry then the model suffers and so does Toms?
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	The issue can Tom's TOE derive the details of such models that deal with PMR (Physical Matter Reality) or not.

You reject dreaming too so you reject part of Tom theory?

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	For example, the recent snafu regarding the speed of light. If the speed had turned out different, it wouldn't have mattered to the TOE. Tom has also mentioned how c, as it is, fits into the VR nature of the Reality Wide Web.

Again the "opera label" is an important one and I relay the subject from the current standpoint in science. While Tom was giving his lecture in Calgary he was perusing it in the moment. Did he know it's outcome? Tom still uses "time" in the same construct of relativity as a function of spacetime?


Kisai's a David Bowie fan?
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Feelings are important. They can reveal something quite primitive within us.
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[The Dan Keizer]

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	I wasn't trolling. I genuinely feel that this thread is gobbedlygook.

I dunno bud, I just got the impression you were blowing it off with some rather vague dismissals.

[RBM]

	Originally Posted by PlatoHagel
	Again the "opera label" is an important one and I relay the subject from the current standpoint in science. While Tom was giving his lecture in Calgary he was perusing it in the moment. Did he know it's outcome? Tom still uses "time" in the same construct of relativity as a function of spacetime?

I'm not following this. Are you having issues with the analysis that there is no objective reality as Tom's states in the Calgary, 2 clip at that hyperlink time label, that there is always an approximation, instead ?

	If you wish to reject the geometry then the model suffers and so does Toms?

Why do you conflate 'reject' with 'doesn't speculate' ?

	You reject dreaming too so you reject part of Tom theory?

I don't reject dreaming. I find the placement of the phenomena in Tom's TOE in NPMR, useful and logical.