Parent Report Cards - Page 6

**followthehippos** · 05-01-2012, 04:47 PM

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	Does corporal punishment benefit children?

In the long term or short term?

**JustMel** · 05-01-2012, 04:50 PM

Clueless I don't have a problem with parents using corporal punishment when other methods haven't worked provided it's not excessive and it's not a daily occurrence. However, I do not like schools handing out corporal punishment because too many of them consider it a first line of defense and they can go overboard. While we still have corporal punishment in our schools they have to have parental consent. I do not give it. If they feel my child needs to be paddled then they can call me and I'll come to the school and listen to the situation and if a paddling is called for I will, and have, administered it.

**Subgenius** · 05-01-2012, 06:47 PM

I would love to see clueless try to enforce corporal punishment on a Gangsta Disciple, Blood, or Crip. I guess it would be MS13 in her neck of the woods, even though I guess Memphis is probably dealing with it too.

**Clueless** · 05-01-2012, 08:03 PM

Originally Posted by JustMel
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Clueless I don't have a problem with parents using corporal punishment when other methods haven't worked provided it's not excessive and it's not a daily occurrence. However, I do not like schools handing out corporal punishment because too many of them consider it a first line of defense and they can go overboard. While we still have corporal punishment in our schools they have to have parental consent. I do not give it. If they feel my child needs to be paddled then they can call me and I'll come to the school and listen to the situation and if a paddling is called for I will, and have, administered it.

The problem with that approach is that it cripples the ability of public educators to maintain order over the entire classroom in that it leaves open the possibility of a child who responds only to CP and whose parents withold consent. Such a child soon realizes that the teacher has no meaningful (from the perspective of said child) authority.

Further, I disagree with your philosophy on logical grounds. One cannot abdicate the daily responsibility for child-rearing without granting full discretionary authority to those charged with the task. And before anyone gets all caught up in bullshit, does anyone truly believe that the "rearing" portion is in some sort of suspension for 8 hours a day? Until they're adults children require "parenting" 24/7, some simply have differing needs with regard to necessary methodology.

Finally, your approach is unrealistic. Many parents do not have the flexibility to be at the school unexpectedly and on short-notice.

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	I would love to see clueless try to enforce corporal punishment on a Gangsta Disciple, Blood, or Crip. I guess it would be MS13 in her neck of the woods, even though I guess Memphis is probably dealing with it too.

It wouldn't be a very interesting show. If you've seen one ass-whooping you've pretty much seen them all.

**JustMel** · 05-01-2012, 08:33 PM

They have the option of using other methods that are physical without using a paddle. I'm sorry, I wouldn't let a nanny use corporal punishment. No one spanks my kids except me or their dad. Period. Discretionary options? No. If I don't spank my children except as a last resort I'll not be allowing anyone else to use it as a first resort and some "educators" do use it as a first resort.

We had a principal who left bruises on a child from a paddling. Not going to happen with my kids.

At our middle school they encourage the teachers to use the arms out parallel to the floor while facing the wall or the invisible chair or push ups in class rather. All of those have proven to be successful, parents don't really have a way to complain because none of those things are physically harmful although uncomfortable and rather embarrassing to the student as they can take place in the classroom. If the child refuses then they are sent to the office and suspended for a day or the parents are called and given the option for a suspension or a paddling.

You seem to have a lot of ideas on parenting but I wonder how much is from actual practical application. Not all kids respond to corporal punishment. The majority of children that are past toddler age do not respond to corporal punishment because there are no long lasting effects. It's a spanking and in fifteen minutes it's a distant memory. If you give a kid a choice between a spanking or another form of punishment they're more likely to choose the one that is over the soonest hence the spanking. Give me my spanking and let me go back to what I was doing. We were in juvenile court with a client a couple of weeks ago and another mother was wailing "My baby my baby. It's not his fault." the judge asked then exactly whose fault was it and the woman replied "His daddy's for not spanking his butt." The judge raised an eyebrow and said "no, it's an all around lack of parenting that lead you to this point not simply refusing to spank your child." "Your honor his daddy said he wouldn't spank him anymore because it didn't work so I told him to spank him harder and he refused." The judge ordered the mother to parenting classes (I'll be seeing her in a few weeks) and ordered the child remanded to custody until the family meets with a counselor. The father told the judge that he had tried everything but if he grounded him the mother ungrounded him or let him out when he wasn't home and then when the kid got into additional trouble she screamed at him to spank him harder and he said he didn't see the point if it didn't work the first ten times. He said he didn't know what else to do.

A toddler getting a hand popped (although I tended to hold their hand and smack my own and the slapping sound got their attention) is one thing if it's a dangerous situation but beyond that it's pointless. If your child only responds to corporal punishment then there's a parenting failure. Now, if it's a last resort and the kids push to that point and it solves the issue it's not a parenting failure. My great-grandmother had a surefire way to break a child of temper tantrums. Some thought it unorthodox and some mean but it worked on every single kid she ever used it on and it didn't involve physically putting her hands or a belt on the child. Not that she balked at CP, she just tried to be more..... creative.

05-01-2012, 04:50 PM	#127
JustMel Core Member [423%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 16,929	Clueless I don't have a problem with parents using corporal punishment when other methods haven't worked provided it's not excessive and it's not a daily occurrence. However, I do not like schools handing out corporal punishment because too many of them consider it a first line of defense and they can go overboard. While we still have corporal punishment in our schools they have to have parental consent. I do not give it. If they feel my child needs to be paddled then they can call me and I'll come to the school and listen to the situation and if a paddling is called for I will, and have, administered it.
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05-01-2012, 06:47 PM	#128
Subgenius Banned MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 2,999	I would love to see clueless try to enforce corporal punishment on a Gangsta Disciple, Blood, or Crip. I guess it would be MS13 in her neck of the woods, even though I guess Memphis is probably dealing with it too.
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05-01-2012, 08:33 PM	#130
JustMel Core Member [423%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 16,929	They have the option of using other methods that are physical without using a paddle. I'm sorry, I wouldn't let a nanny use corporal punishment. No one spanks my kids except me or their dad. Period. Discretionary options? No. If I don't spank my children except as a last resort I'll not be allowing anyone else to use it as a first resort and some "educators" do use it as a first resort. We had a principal who left bruises on a child from a paddling. Not going to happen with my kids. At our middle school they encourage the teachers to use the arms out parallel to the floor while facing the wall or the invisible chair or push ups in class rather. All of those have proven to be successful, parents don't really have a way to complain because none of those things are physically harmful although uncomfortable and rather embarrassing to the student as they can take place in the classroom. If the child refuses then they are sent to the office and suspended for a day or the parents are called and given the option for a suspension or a paddling. You seem to have a lot of ideas on parenting but I wonder how much is from actual practical application. Not all kids respond to corporal punishment. The majority of children that are past toddler age do not respond to corporal punishment because there are no long lasting effects. It's a spanking and in fifteen minutes it's a distant memory. If you give a kid a choice between a spanking or another form of punishment they're more likely to choose the one that is over the soonest hence the spanking. Give me my spanking and let me go back to what I was doing. We were in juvenile court with a client a couple of weeks ago and another mother was wailing "My baby my baby. It's not his fault." the judge asked then exactly whose fault was it and the woman replied "His daddy's for not spanking his butt." The judge raised an eyebrow and said "no, it's an all around lack of parenting that lead you to this point not simply refusing to spank your child." "Your honor his daddy said he wouldn't spank him anymore because it didn't work so I told him to spank him harder and he refused." The judge ordered the mother to parenting classes (I'll be seeing her in a few weeks) and ordered the child remanded to custody until the family meets with a counselor. The father told the judge that he had tried everything but if he grounded him the mother ungrounded him or let him out when he wasn't home and then when the kid got into additional trouble she screamed at him to spank him harder and he said he didn't see the point if it didn't work the first ten times. He said he didn't know what else to do. A toddler getting a hand popped (although I tended to hold their hand and smack my own and the slapping sound got their attention) is one thing if it's a dangerous situation but beyond that it's pointless. If your child only responds to corporal punishment then there's a parenting failure. Now, if it's a last resort and the kids push to that point and it solves the issue it's not a parenting failure. My great-grandmother had a surefire way to break a child of temper tantrums. Some thought it unorthodox and some mean but it worked on every single kid she ever used it on and it didn't involve physically putting her hands or a belt on the child. Not that she balked at CP, she just tried to be more..... creative.
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