[Atamagahen]

It must fall into admittance that I'm a bit confused. You see, I always score as INTJ with the exception of the occasional INTP. The "INT" part isn't questionable at all, it's just the "J" and the "P" that I don't know all too much of.
You see, I do verily rely on my sense perception as I trust quite a few are aware of now. I'm always the one who notices something that most others would overlook. I can get a lot out of first impressions, and I'm a very fast learner if the subject partakes in my interest. However...I don't only stop at first impressions, it's more of a jump start at understanding someone or something. If interested, I will continue to observe said subject nearly obsessively, my mind at that point feels like a sponge absorbing all the details and information it can. Sometimes I take different things, be it mental or physical, and use them as a metaphor or establish a connection representing my thoughts for sake of comprehension. This feels more like creativity, but there is much logical reasoning in this as well.
I do prefer planning and methodical approaches to my situations other than improvising (which I will do from time to time), yet I also like to remain flexible because it feels less restricting, or have alternate/backup plans in case anything doesn't go as expected. Depends on the situation. I always seem to be looking and preparing for the future while using the present and past to observe, grow, and learn. This probably explains why I'm a natural at strategic games and thinking. I very much enjoy putting things in order, my games are arranged by series and alphabetized, and the same goes with my books/magazines. As for things I don't care about, I can really care less how they're arranged. I also enjoy looking for new ideas or ways to improve an already existing idea.
For instance, before going on a trip, I will thoroughly think of what I may want or need when there, what to bring with me in case of certain instances, nearly everything is thought through. I even make sure my house is as clean as I can get it, so that upon my return I won't have to let cleaning bother me. I've methodically pre-ordered games six months in advance in coordination with my social security income in order to receive them all the same month. It's almost compulsive. I have a habit of overly thinking or overdoing or some things, and I tend to get frustrated when results don't go as planned. However, I don't display much of my emotion.
I lack people skills, and realize this. Sometimes I'll be blunt about something and people look at me like "did he really just say that?" Others told me they see me as whimsical or witty often. I believe social mannerisms are a unnecessary, yet most of the time I do not intend to offend others. If I do, then...too bad, I do. They should learn to handle honesty, and especially learn to understand sarcasm. Despite my assertiveness, I always look at things through the other perspectives as well so as to not become biased.

Anyways, I'm not all to great in classifying myself. Is that a sufficient amount of information to determine what do you think? INTJ...INTP...balanced?

[Fecal McAngry]

INTJ. You might wish to read about Te Vs. Ti, Fi Vs. Fe, Ni Vs. Ne, Se Vs. Si.

[Atamagahen]

I'll do that.

[My Feral Shadow]

I can't really answer your question for you.....BUT, I can identify with it. I have many P traits. I live and act like an INTP much of the time. I am often not as well organized as the INTJ descriptions say I should be. However,when pressed to do something important I go into INTJ mode and the description fits me better. My very first MBTI test I typed as an INTP but every test I've taken since,has scored me as INTJ. I usually test between 30-45 for a J preference. When I scored P the first time the number was pretty low. Something like 12 or 22. My N and T numbers are usually balanced somewhere in the 88 zone for preference against their respective counterparts.I sometimes do lead with my N and sometimes the T. I can identify with most of both type descriptions. There are a few things in each that don't fit most of the time. I don't have a strong preference for either P or J in the tests.
Your situation (or at least the way you have described it) sounds to me like you have developed some of the cognitive skills that a P uses. You might have just "added to" your INTJ personality with those skills. OR the reverse could be true as well. Maybe your true preference is INTP but you added skills that make your J stronger. Either way you do sound pretty balanced from your description. Maybe a new nick name is in order? eh PJ? j/k
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I think my situation might be a little different. Where I part from the INTJ definition is a lack of organizational skills and and ambition. Not to say I have none but I am underdeveloped in those areas. I think because of how I grew up and troubles I had in school that I've developed those skills at a slower rate. Whereas I did work harder at art and music than I did on academics,as well as working on certain cognitive skills more associated with a P personality,it has made me act more INTPish. So a lack in one area and a build up of another has balanced me out. I say that I'm INTJ because I test that way. When I really soul search to find my true preferences it always comes out on the J side even though it's a moderate or slight preference. I know my preference is to the J because that is where I go when under stress or under the gun to complete something.I reach for those organizational skills and become more driven. Even if those skills are somewhat less developed than they could be if I had followed a different path earlier in life.

[Atamagahen]

So in short, you don't really know but can relate to an extent?

[deconspire]

You just sound like someone with solid balance on J and P who probably uses the J a bit more (but not enough for it to be dominant). Me, I use the P a bit more.

[Atamagahen]

In that case, does that mean I qualify both as INTJ and INTP, or is it just considered as INTX in itself?

[reckful]

You sound INTJ to me. A J preference (along with Conscientiousness, the Big 5 dimension it correlates with) is associated with, among other things, certain kinds of compulsiveness. This bit from your OP jumped out at me as sounding like classic J: "I've methodically pre-ordered games six months in advance in coordination with my social security income in order to receive them all the same month. It's almost compulsive."

For a lot more from me on J vs. P — including whether it's possible to be an INTx — see
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and the posts it links to.

[deconspire]

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You sound INTJ to me. A J preference (along with Conscientiousness, the Big 5 dimension it correlates with) is associated with, among other things, certain kinds of compulsiveness. This bit from your OP jumped out at me as sounding like classic J: "I've methodically pre-ordered games six months in advance in coordination with my social security income in order to receive them all the same month. It's almost compulsive."

This jumped out at me too.

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	For a lot more from me on J vs. P — including whether it's possible to be an INTx — see To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. and the posts it links to.

I read this the other day. Highly recommended for INTXs.

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	In that case, does that mean I qualify both as INTJ and INTP, or is it just considered as INTX in itself?

INTX leaning J, maybe INTJ with a lot of crossover. What are your percentages?

[Atamagahen]

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	INTX leaning J, maybe INTJ with a lot of crossover. What are your percentages?

This is of course in no way my official, final result as these are subject to change due to a number of situations. It's just a good example of my general result:


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As you can see, everything else by my Judging and Perceiving are rather defined.

[My Feral Shadow]

	Originally Posted by Atamagahen To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	So in short, you don't really know but can relate to an extent?

Yes I can relate. I think you are a J but that's going by the information you have provided. What you need to do is dig deep to find your true preferences. You need to separate them from the cognitive skills you've learned or added. That's the hard part. As was suggested earlier in this thread,study more on the cognitive functions. Forget about the type definitions for now because they can be misleading.

[Paul Siraisi]

I present to the group my Paragraph Length Test for INTP, which as you can see above, the OP and one other poster have passed. I find it a generally reliable test.

For those who called INTJ, I point out the following:

"... I'm a bit confused. ...I don't only stop at first impressions... I will continue to observe said subject nearly obsessively, my mind at that point feels like a sponge absorbing all the details and information it can. Sometimes I take different things, be it mental or physical, and use them as a metaphor or establish a connection representing my thoughts for sake of comprehension.... I also like to remain flexible ... or have alternate/backup plans ... I always seem to be looking and preparing for the future while using the present and past to observe, grow, and learn. .... I will thoroughly think of what I may want or need ...nearly everything is thought through. ... I have a habit of overly thinking or overdoing or some things.... Others told me they see me as whimsical or witty often....I always look at things through the other perspectives as well so as to not become biased."

But ok, INTx.

[Atamagahen]

Yes, that section in itself seems as if there is quite a bit of P in there, which is what led me astray in the first place. Other parts contained within my original post is quite J as others have pointed out.
My P and J seem to be quite conflicting. This is why I seek clarification.

[reckful]

	Originally Posted by Paul Siraisi To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I present to the group my Paragraph Length Test for INTP... For those who called INTJ, I point out the following: ...

1. I think you've confused spacing between paragraphs (double or single) with paragraphs. The OP has 6 paragraphs and post 4 (if that's the other one you were referring to) has 3 paragraphs. (This can be a side effect of composing posts in, e.g., Word and then pasting them.)

2. I'd say most of the stuff from the OP that you've quoted could apply just as well to a young (especially) INTJ as a young INTP, while the stuff you didn't quote leans me more J (as I noted) than P.

[Atamagahen]

	Originally Posted by reckful To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	(This can be a side effect of composing posts in, e.g., Word and then pasting them.)

If you mean this possibility on my part, that's not the case.
I type as I go, and although as informal as most online interactions may be (especially on public forums), I've a habit of being as grammatically correct, or in this case, "proper" as I can.

[reckful]

Well, Paul Siraisi was viewing the first five paragraphs of your OP as one paragraph because you didn't leave a blank line between them, which makes the post harder to read (in many people's view, anyway). So if you're aiming to be as "proper as you can" (as you say), you might want to make it a habit to hit the Enter key twice instead of once between paragraphs when you're composing forum posts.

[Atamagahen]

I could do that, although isn't it just preference and have nothing to do with being correct?

[reckful]

I'm going to choose no.

For one thing, suppose the last line of a paragraph happens to go all the way to the edge. In that case, there's no way to see that there's a paragraph break, is there? Eh?

It looks to me like you're just being stubborn, which is another good J indicator.

[Atamagahen]

Yes, I might be acting stubborn in your definition of the term, but I believe I'm being more inquisitive as from my experience I've learned differently. Perhaps this is an opportunity to learn something new.
I see where you're coming from, however just because someone cannot see it doesn't necessarily render it as incorrect. I recall quite a few people prefer that I don't double space, and this shows in the way they themselves write/type.
This reminds me of a documentary of WWII I partook in the 10th grade, my resource teacher requested that I double space to make it appear more "neat". It just so happens that a few people didn't like it as much, the main reason being that it made the page feel more "blank". These people probably value quantity over quality, and my teacher was the opposite in this aspect, however that's straying from my point.

[My Feral Shadow]

[QUOTE=reckful;2474793]1. I think you've confused spacing between paragraphs (double or single) with paragraphs. The OP has 6 paragraphs and post 4 (if that's the other one you were referring to) has 3 paragraphs. (This can be a side effect of composing posts in, e.g., Word and then pasting them.)

Note pad. I have a habit of using it because another forum I belong to likes to time out in a ridiculously short time and make me log in again. For some reason it will not let me use the back button or pull up the cached copy of the text. I'll double space from now on.

[TomatoEgg]

Hmm... I was confused over this INTJ/INTP thing for awhile, until i read this on another forum:

INTJ: Meaning into words
INTP: Words into meaning

If you are still confused think of a stressful situation where you had to make a quick decision. Did you use Ni or Ti?

[Atamagahen]

It depends on my situation.

[WindUp]

An extra space between your paragraphs would make things easier to read, imo. As of now, your posts still seem like a huge wall of text.

It also helps to look at inferior functions and the relation they create with the dominant function.

INXJs have inferior Se. It causes them to have difficulty immersing themselves in the present moment. Se wants to take detailed, concrete information about what is happening NOW. Because this is their inferior function, INXJs will either ignore the details of the present moment because they are using Ni instead (which creates a lack of awareness of the present reality), or become overindulged in sensory details and not be able to see the big picture or anything beyond the present.

For IXTPs... I'll just copy from typologic.com because I'm not that familiar with inferior Fe.
"Feeling tends to be all or none. When present, the INTP's concern for others is intense, albeit naive. In a crisis, this feeling judgement is often silenced by the emergence of Thinking, who rushes in to avert chaos and destruction. In the absence of a clear principle, however, INTPs have been known to defer judgement and to allow decisions about interpersonal matters to be left hanging lest someone be offended or somehow injured. INTPs are at risk of being swept away by the shadow in the form of their own strong emotional impulses."

[Atamagahen]

I'm a very detail-oriented individual, but I'm not as immersed for the moment as I am to the future. In most instances I prefer to look at the pieces of the puzzle and put it together before I fully look at it as a whole. This doesn't mean I can't see and perceive how it looks when it's finished, but I tend to focus my interests on the details or steps to build for the future.

[superflax]

Random question:
How can it be that people can waver between P and J? INTP and INTJ share no functions in common?

Sorry to highjack your thread!