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Old 04-05-2012, 02:09 AM   #26
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  Originally Posted by Vogon Poet
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No. We don't believe biology is a physical science.


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Old 04-05-2012, 03:52 AM   #27
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Bah.


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Old 04-05-2012, 08:08 AM   #28
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Biology studies physical things, just like physics, chemistry, and astronomy, and unlike mathematics, law, and ethics.
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Old 04-05-2012, 08:39 AM   #29
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  Originally Posted by scorpiomover
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Biology studies physical things, just like physics, chemistry, and astronomy, and unlike mathematics, law, and ethics.

Even the purest description of physical science - studying the interaction of atoms and molecules, would apply to things like genetics and molecular biology. However, the mating behavior of birds in the tropics is less concerned with kinetics of atoms and molecules, so it would not exactly fall under the purview of physical science. Again, pure semantics. It's science.

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Old 04-08-2012, 07:27 PM   #30
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  Originally Posted by Polymath20
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Even the purest description of physical science - studying the interaction of atoms and molecules,

That's called PHYSICS. The word PHYSIC-AL, is related, but not the same.

 
would apply to things like genetics and molecular biology.

If you described it using the laws of physics and those portions of chemistry that relate to physics, then it relates to physics, and not to biology. If not, then no.

 
However, the mating behavior of birds in the tropics is less concerned with kinetics of atoms and molecules, so it would not exactly fall under the purview of physics.

Corrected that for you.

 
Again, pure semantics. It's science.

Quite true.

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Old 04-10-2012, 06:15 AM   #31
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So, I just wanted to commiserate with some other INTJs about how lame academic philosophy is, and how no one with a brain would ever pursue it educationally, except for the purpose of correcting it. I used that little emboldened part of his blog as an example of what a turd this guy is, and as a larger example of why academic philosophy is a road to nowhere. I purposefully typed a misleading question as the subject of the post so that I could see if anyone picked up on the stupid semantics thing without being coaxed into it. But, alas, people actually ended up arguing about where to put biology in our amazingly important and useful categories we have for things. INTJforum: stimulating in small doses, but it's better for your blood pressure to just go somewhere else.
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Old 04-10-2012, 09:07 AM   #32
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  Originally Posted by scorpiomover
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That's called PHYSICS. The word PHYSIC-AL, is related, but not the same.

If you described it using the laws of physics and those portions of chemistry that relate to physics, then it relates to physics, and not to biology. If not, then no.

Corrected that for you.

Quite true.


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It actually details how physics is the foundational science upon which other sciences (biology) work. Like my layer analogy earlier in the thread.

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Old 04-10-2012, 03:02 PM   #33
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  Originally Posted by Polymath20
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It actually details how physics is the foundational science upon which other sciences (biology) work. Like my layer analogy earlier in the thread.

 
However, the term "physical" creates an unintended, somewhat arbitrary distinction, since many branches of physical science also study biological phenomena.

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