[simply]

For those who haven't heard in the news of the former White House intern under JFK who wrote a book about the affair:

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I didn't post this in the politics and current events section because I wanted to get opinions from both men and women about just what was going in these two minds.

Given that JFK's womanizing is pretty well known, how would that impact a girl's judgment in this situation (if the intern even knew about his reputation at the time)? The woman says Kennedy "swept her off her feet", with his power of personality. She says she didn't feel guilty about it at the time and that it felt like she was part of something important.

This is my two cents:
The POTUS is the single most important and powerful person in the world, leader of arguably the greatest nation in the world. A person in this position has his every move logged and criticized, and it reflects on the U.S., thus a head of state, especially of the U.S., should be of exceptional moral character. Of course this is not the reality too much of the time. Surely people must think of the repercussions of their actions and the pain and burden that is inflicted upon those connected and close to them? Or is one's self interest and satisfaction more important than anything else? Is it too hard for a woman to resist such power, charm, charisma? Is it too hard for a man in this position to resist temptation? This is something where I can't just say "It's okay, we're all human after all. We all make mistakes."

What does INTJf think? What would you do if you were in their shoes?

[Tito]

I don't understand why she felt the need to make this public right now. Its almost half a century later. Doesn't makes sense.

I'm not saying I doubt her story, but there must be something else to this.

[Megalomania]

	Originally Posted by Siso To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	...but there must be something else to this.

Yea. He's been dead long enough.

[froyo]

Better now then never...

[Async]

She was 19. I can understand why she felt she was swept off her feet.

[Equinox]

I don't see why anyone needs to know about this stuff in the first place, even if the "victim" discloses it voluntarily.

[theiceman]

	Originally Posted by Siso To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I don't understand why she felt the need to make this public right now. Its almost half a century later. Doesn't makes sense. I'm not saying I doubt her story, but there must be something else to this.

Somebody wants fame, that's it.

[PRBori]

	Originally Posted by Siso To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I don't understand why she felt the need to make this public right now. Its almost half a century later. Doesn't makes sense. I'm not saying I doubt her story, but there must be something else to this.

Both parties impacted are dead. Maybe she felt she had to keep the details to herself until his wife die, besides why wouldn't she want to benefit from it, stories like it = lots of money and fame to certain extend. Plus fear of legal actions against her and possible respect to his name, wife and kids while they were young. I'm sure now that the kids are older they don't resent things as if they had known at an early stage.

Just a thought...
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[krisl]

People don't always have the best sense when they're 19. I can see how a 19 year old woman could feel swept off her feet by the President of the USA. That's a lot of power and very impressive. I don't know why she's bother telling everyone now, except maybe for fame and/or fortune.

I don't think much of JFK's behavior with women. My feeling is, if someone wants to act like a tom cat, he/she shouldn't get married. I don't know enough about his presidential career to judge that.

[Causa Mortis]

	Originally Posted by simply To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Given that JFK's womanizing is pretty well known, how would that impact a girl's judgment in this situation (if the intern even knew about his reputation at the time)? The woman says Kennedy "swept her off her feet", with his power of personality. She says she didn't feel guilty about it at the time and that it felt like she was part of something important.

1. His reputation as a seducer probably helped him with a lot of them who just wanted a fun thing with a great guy.
2. He was about as high-status as a guy can get.
3. He was famous for being honest with his short term ones, and for treating them well while they were together.
4. The line about "sweeping her off her feet" with force of personality is completely believable. There are many, many examples of guys being below average looking or just having an average career but still cleaning up sexually. Jack had a remarkable personality.
5. There's nothing wrong with the intern sleeping with him, or with him sleeping with the intern. That was win/win, and Jackie knew what she was in for when she married him, but did so because she wanted into a wealthy and powerful family.
6. I daresay that the game Jack developed while chasing skirts helped him to be more persuasive, diplomatically assertive, and generally effective as president.

[simply]

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5. There's nothing wrong with the intern sleeping with him, or with him sleeping with the intern. That was win/win, and Jackie knew what she was in for when she married him, but did so because she wanted into a wealthy and powerful family. 6. I daresay that the game Jack developed while chasing skirts helped him to be more persuasive, diplomatically assertive, and generally effective as president.

6: Undoubtedly
5: But it justs throws moral and social values out the window. It's all a facade.

[Equinox]

	Originally Posted by theiceman To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Somebody wants fame, that's it.

I don't understand how that's supposed to grant her fame. Notoriety maybe, but really, it's just stupid to allege something like this at the time of the event, much less decades afterward. Completely pointless.

Originally Posted by PRBori To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Both parties impacted are dead. Maybe she felt she had to keep the details to herself until his wife die, besides why wouldn't she want to benefit from it, stories like it = lots of money and fame to certain extend. Plus fear of legal actions against her and possible respect to his name, wife and kids while they were young. I'm sure now that the kids are older they don't resent things as if they had known at an early stage. Just a thought... To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

But why does she have to say it now? Is she that much of an attention-seeker that she needs to delve into the past like this to gratify herself? She never needed to say it in the first place. My opinion of her and JFK definitely went down after reading about this (not that I knew about her or had a particular opinion about JFK in the first place). Why would you voluntarily, and needlessly, expose yourself to public criticism about something that doesn't even matter...?

[Async]

I agree that she doesn't need to say it now. If she needs to get this off her chest, a therapist is what she needed. I think she feels the need to idolize him.

[blerq]

She said she hid it for all these years and would have continued hiding it but a few years ago someone outed her and she said that she wanted to be the one to write her own history. I am surprised by all of these "why now?" comments...I always think why not let the truth be known. It doesn't matter what it is, we should all be on the same page. If Obama was having sex with 19 year old virgins in the white house right now it would be beyond major news. Maybe it's no one's business but I'm just saying...secrets secrets are no fun, secrets secrets hurt someone

[MrFox]

	Originally Posted by Causa Mortis To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	*** 6. I daresay that the game Jack developed while chasing skirts helped him to be more persuasive, diplomatically assertive, and generally effective as president.

"Jack" - knew him personally, did you?

Miss Blerq is right at #14 - history should be documented not suppressed. Kennedy was a seriously flawed personality in some ways. And on a damage inflicted-per-day in office basis he's one of the worst Chief Execs ever, IMO - but he was entertaining and telegenic, and the first President of the era where that's all it takes.

[peppersasen]

Woops. Too late. They already produced a version of
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story and she wasn't in it. It's okay, honey, it wasn't that good anyway. Mad Men's so much better.

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	She says she didn't feel guilty about it at the time and that it felt like she was part of something important.

How could an intern possibly ever feel 'unimportant'?
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---------- Post added 02-12-2012 at 05:11 PM ----------

	“I was 19, (and) he was 45, but I accepted that imbalance because I think I felt very special having been included (in JFK’s inner circle)," Alford told Curry. "You have to understand what it was like to be in the White House at that time. This is President Kennedy. I was being included in the small group of people that knew him. It was almost like being swept away.’’

Lucky girl. Wasn't excluded. When I did my internship, I wasn't even invited to lunch...

[Causa Mortis]

	Originally Posted by simply To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	6: Undoubtedly 5: But it justs throws moral and social values out the window. It's all a facade.

*slave morality and slave social values