[The Frozen One]

Josh Fox, the director of "Gasland" was detained today for unlawful entry to a hearing of the House Subcommittee on Energy and Environment. He did not have credentials. However, the ABC news team that was behind him was denied entry even though they were credentialed.
thoughts?

Here is the link.

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[paleoeco]

Public hearings can't be public, now can they?

[Vulture]

welp... cspan still taping... i hope... for now...

[stasis]

	Originally Posted by huff post
	UPDATE: 2:27 p.m. -- Fox apparently had applied for credentialing the day before the hearing but had been unable to obtain official permission to film. He had asked a credentialed film crew to tape the proceedings on his behalf but was informed that this was not permitted.

And then did it anyway.

Authority vs ideals. Sounds like stereotypical republican party personality shit, followed up by a ton of democrat spin. As for the poll, though, yeah. I think we're drifting in that direction. I'd like to see an amendment to the Constitution that defines what authoritarian governance is and specifically guarantees the citizenry freedom from its practice.

[paleoeco]

However, the fact that the credentialing requirement is frequently overlooked, it would create the presumption that it's not de facto required. In fact, what this then means is that the credentialing process is used as a means to pick and choose and favor access.

One could argue that therefore the credentially process as it is practiced is a violation of the First Amendment, and therefore, removing him is a violation of his First Amendment rights.

The whole point of this and the Twitter subpeona is to CHILL the expression of citizens' First Amendment rights. If a citizen has no way to know where the "bright line" is of acceptable and unacceptable expression lies, then it chills. Why our Federal justice system cannot address the systemic and systematic erosion of First Amendment protections in this country baffles me.

[stasis]

	Originally Posted by paleoeco To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	One could argue that therefore the credentially process as it is practiced is a violation of the First Amendment, and therefore, removing him is a violation of his First Amendment rights.

One could just as easily argue that his attempt to enter despite being effectively denied access beforehand constituted an impromptu protest and, in disrupting the proceedings, disorderly conduct justifying removal from the building.


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Which is a common practice, and a necessary one as well, insofar as it would not be possible to conduct the government with an ever-present mob in audience.

[paleoeco]

Which is to set the precendent that Goverment illegally denies/removes Citizen from First Amendment Expression; Citizen objects to said illegal removal; Government legally removes citizen based on the objection as being "disorderly conduct".

That is quite frankly the most disturbing twist of the First Amendment as it works in the US, and the fact that people still can't get past the "citizen was objecting and was disorderly" part. It baffles me that as a country we have allowed this.

[stasis]

	Originally Posted by paleoeco To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Which is to set the precendent that Goverment illegally denies/removes Citizen from First Amendment Expression; Citizen objects to said illegal removal; Government legally removes citizen based on the objection as being "disorderly conduct".

That's spin. The way we object to things like this is through the courts, not by bursting into rooms and disrupting the assembly of elected representatives, thereby disenfranchising hundreds of thousands of voters in arbitrary appeal to somebody's personal interpretation of the Constitution.

[paleoeco]

And by through the courts we waste years of time and things get buried in motions. The courts aren't an avenue of remediation anymore. They have been neutered and watered down and bogged to the point that there is no remediation.

It's not spinning it - it's no more "spin" than it is say that the citizen was behaving "disorderly", which quite frankly is being used even against peaceful and non-violent protestors in this country.

[stasis]

	Originally Posted by paleoeco To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	The courts aren't an avenue of remediation anymore.

Anarchy in the UK.

[Aronnax]

There shouldn't be a requirement for credentials/permission for any citizen to record a public hearing.

[Doggzilla]

I dont think we are becoming a police "state", I think we are becoming a collection of police fiefdoms. The locals are the problem, they commit more rights violations than the feds, hands down.

[IslandHead]

	It was recently revealed that a counter-terrorism firm spied on individuals who attended film screenings of the documentary Gasland. The film focuses on the practice of natural gas fracking and what impact it has on the environment and in the communities where it is used.

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Someone dislikes Mr. Fox.....

[Ytterbium]

Same thing in the European Union.