Claustrophobic perception of reality

**voyvoy** · 01-29-2012, 07:02 PM

This doesn't happen often, but when it does it gets pretty intense.

It's a feeling where I get a 'gut sense' of existing in a relatively limited reality. It can be triggered by pretty much anything that can be associated with the limits of human existence...some reoccurring theme/object/symbol.

Is this my underdeveloped Ni acting up?

I'm not sure, but maybe C.G. Jung is talking about something similar on
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	... The hold upon the object is pushed to the utmost limit. The unconscious is, accordingly, forced out of its me[accent]tier as a compensatory function and driven into open opposition. But, above all, the repressed intuitions begin to assert themselves in the form of projections upon the object. ...

I would assume that Ni would present a lot wider view of reality compared to Se. So maybe this is something an INTJ would consider a stage of mental development?

**LadyJaye** · 01-29-2012, 09:08 PM

I get that feeling myself sometimes, and I'm Ne primary. It usually happens when I'm already pushing against things in my life, trying to affect a change, and nothing is budging. Then it's almost like my brain makes a sweep of everything I know at the present moment concerning the situation, and without finding a solution, my P function continues to reach out further and further, searching for possibilities, and if nothing surfaces, my feelings withdraw around me and existence becomes claustrophobic.

So, my instinct is to look at the Perception as the culprit.

**voyvoy** · 01-29-2012, 10:30 PM

I don't see myself consciously initiating a process which would lead to this feeling. It comes and goes within a millisecond and I can only see the external stimulus that triggered it. No line of thought or actions behind it.

It must be, as Jung said, the repressed intuition projected through the object.

Since intuition is your primary function, it must be a more conscious process for you than it is for me.

**Zodd** · 01-29-2012, 10:42 PM

Sometimes I felt claustrophobic no matter where I went or what I did. I just didn't see myself getting out of my shitty situation where I just stayed in my bedroom all day, but the feeling stayed with me even when I was riding my bicycle (whatever). Medication helped I think.

**Polymath20** · 01-30-2012, 12:28 PM


	I would assume that Ni would present a lot wider view of reality compared to Se. So maybe this is something an INTJ would consider a stage of mental development?

Or you have Alice in Wonderland Syndrome.

Anyways, I wouldn't compare Ni to Se. Se sees reality as it is, right now, with no baggage. Ni relies more on it's understanding of reality to perceive the world, and therefore, if you are feeling overwhelmed, particularly by things you don't understand, then you are likely to feel claustrophobic if your Ni is dominant over your Se.

**Oros Ull** · 01-30-2012, 04:36 PM

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	It's a feeling where I get a 'gut sense' of existing in a relatively limited reality. It can be triggered by pretty much anything that can be associated with the limits of human existence...some reoccurring theme/object/symbol. Is this my underdeveloped Ni acting up?

Lol. Welcome to the perpetual purgatory of the INTJ. We call that mentality “Home”. Our human existence is intrinsically limited and we are always painfully aware of it. That is why we constantly learn and try to progress and why perfection is the only thing that can ever grant us any kind of absolution. We live our whole life with that knowledge on the forefront of our minds and it is relentless and ever-present regardless of what we do. That “feeling” is probably the single greatest motivator of our kind.

I'm glad you caught a glimpse.
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**voyvoy** · 01-30-2012, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by Oros Ull
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Lol. Welcome to the perpetual purgatory of the INTJ. We call that mentality home. Our reality is intrinsically limited and we damn well know it. That is why we constantly learn and try to progress and why perfection is the only thing that will ever make any of us feel truly whole. We live with that knowledge on the forefront of our minds our whole life. And it is relentless and ever-present regardless of what we do. That “feeling” is probably the single greatest motivator of our kind.
I'm glad you caught a glimpse.
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I would imagine that as a child (since Ni is the least popular primary function) an INf/tJ might go through unusual assumptions about life. And maybe if the individual is developed in an unhealthy manner, they might develop grudge against those 'inferior' to them (Hitler?).

I personally found it quite demotivational...makes sense though since I tend to live in the concrete 'here and now' without adhering much meaning to/from it.

I've actually caught more than these glimpses I described, but they happened due to use of hallucinogenics.

**Oros Ull** · 01-30-2012, 06:30 PM

I’m sorry I didn’t mean to sound condescending at all. I just thought it was funny that you said you caught a glimpse, when it’s something a lot of us are faced with constantly whether we like it or not.

It has different effects on different people. But that perception of our own existence being limited seems intrinsic to a high functioning Ni.

Personally I relish the idea, I always have, it allows me to recognize how I function within the whole. But I can see how it could lead a person down a lot of different roads.

And when I say it’s motivation I don’t necessarily mean that in a positive way, but in one where we are left yearning to overcome those perceived limits, limits that most don't even see. It can be a bit lonely when you are the only one who realizes you are in an illusion.

Although I was exaggerating a bit when I said it is a primary motivator. In fact it’s probably the opposite, and rare due to the Ni being a recessive trait. I guess I forget how odd I am sometimes...

**CyberDragon2020** · 09-02-2012, 02:33 PM

I have an 'intuition' that Voyvoy started this thread in order to make a covert dig at Ni being similar to being on hallucinogenics. However I disagree with the idea that Ni is similar to hallucinating and would suggest that Voyvoy may in fact be experiencing flashbacks from said hallucinogenics... Does this help answer your question?
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01-29-2012, 09:08 PM	#2
LadyJaye Member [02%] MBTI: ENFP Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 105	I get that feeling myself sometimes, and I'm Ne primary. It usually happens when I'm already pushing against things in my life, trying to affect a change, and nothing is budging. Then it's almost like my brain makes a sweep of everything I know at the present moment concerning the situation, and without finding a solution, my P function continues to reach out further and further, searching for possibilities, and if nothing surfaces, my feelings withdraw around me and existence becomes claustrophobic. So, my instinct is to look at the Perception as the culprit.
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01-29-2012, 10:30 PM	#3
voyvoy New Member [01%] MBTI: ESFP Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 72	I don't see myself consciously initiating a process which would lead to this feeling. It comes and goes within a millisecond and I can only see the external stimulus that triggered it. No line of thought or actions behind it. It must be, as Jung said, the repressed intuition projected through the object. Since intuition is your primary function, it must be a more conscious process for you than it is for me.
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Zodd Core Member [168%] MBTI: xxxx Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 6,748	Sometimes I felt claustrophobic no matter where I went or what I did. I just didn't see myself getting out of my shitty situation where I just stayed in my bedroom all day, but the feeling stayed with me even when I was riding my bicycle (whatever). Medication helped I think.
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01-30-2012, 06:30 PM	#8
Oros Ull Veteran Member [76%] MBTI: INFJ Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 3,075	I’m sorry I didn’t mean to sound condescending at all. I just thought it was funny that you said you caught a glimpse, when it’s something a lot of us are faced with constantly whether we like it or not. It has different effects on different people. But that perception of our own existence being limited seems intrinsic to a high functioning Ni. Personally I relish the idea, I always have, it allows me to recognize how I function within the whole. But I can see how it could lead a person down a lot of different roads. And when I say it’s motivation I don’t necessarily mean that in a positive way, but in one where we are left yearning to overcome those perceived limits, limits that most don't even see. It can be a bit lonely when you are the only one who realizes you are in an illusion. Although I was exaggerating a bit when I said it is a primary motivator. In fact it’s probably the opposite, and rare due to the Ni being a recessive trait. I guess I forget how odd I am sometimes... Last edited by Oros Ull; 01-31-2012 at 10:24 AM.
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CyberDragon2020 New Member [01%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 8	I have an 'intuition' that Voyvoy started this thread in order to make a covert dig at Ni being similar to being on hallucinogenics. However I disagree with the idea that Ni is similar to hallucinating and would suggest that Voyvoy may in fact be experiencing flashbacks from said hallucinogenics... Does this help answer your question? To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
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