[JTG]

When women say "i don't get along with other women" i usually take it to mean "women who conform to gender standards by being vapid and undependable annoy the piss out of me." See the description given by Antares above.

I have never once heard a woman say it and thought to myself "wow, i wonder why she hates women." It's not sexist to despise walking stereotypes. I've always taken it to be a good thing. Like they want women to evolve beyond prattling over pretty colors and shoes. (Not that there's anything wrong with liking pretty colors or shoes, but some women act like that's the meaning of life or something.)

Some people take everything too literally. VaginaHate is probably something some pundit made up because women weren't conforming to the way they're "supposed to be" so naturally they must be self-loathing deviants

[Seablue]

At some point I thought that I got along better with males than females (and blamed it on the fact that there are more Fs among females, among other things). But then I realized that I have approximately the same amount of male/female friends. There's perhaps a bit more men but it's unsubstantial. I probably saw this as evidence that I didn't get along with women because a a woman, I was supposed to have mostly female friends and it wasn't the case... Now I realize it was a stupid (mostly unconscious) reasoning.

[Elena]

	Originally Posted by Asocialkat To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Interesting point. I have two older brothers and no sisters (and no female cousins around my age either). I rarely interacted with many people at school (too busy reading). Perhaps I "get" guys better because I grew up interacting mostly with guys.

I grew up with 4 elder brothers and no sisters and never was allowed to see cousins, and I think I get on better with males. Even so, I do not think its solely a gender. If a person is an ass/full of small talk etc, I do not enjoy there company regardless of gender.

[LadySpock]

	Originally Posted by JTG To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	VaginaHate is probably something some pundit made up because women weren't conforming to the way they're "supposed to be" so naturally they must be self-loathing deviants

Wrong. I made it up when I posted the thread.

[Noelle]

I will admit in the past, I had many more male friends than female friends, but it was never a conscious decision. I simply "hung out" with people I related to and didn't bother with the rest. Due to social trends, this may be more than mere coincidence, but in my mind a person's gender doesn't matter at all to me.

[kronique]

I resent this. It find its usually not the case fortunately. I actually want more girlfriends. I dont understand what you gain from isolating yourself into oblivion, but okay?

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	Originally Posted by Noelle Winters To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I will admit in the past, I had many more male friends than female friends, but it was never a conscious decision. I simply "hung out" with people I related to and didn't bother with the rest. Due to social trends, this may be more than mere coincidence, but in my mind a person's gender doesn't matter at all to me.

Ever feel like girls dont have as much to say to you or is it just me?

[JustMel]

	Originally Posted by LadySpock To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Wrong. I made it up when I posted the thread.

Maybe but the term has been used before. Google it.

[LadySpock]

	Originally Posted by kronique To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Ever feel like girls dont have as much to say to you or is it just me?

Yeah. Male conversations are so much more deep.

Just look at the discussions on this forum!

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	Originally Posted by JustMel To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Maybe but the term has been used before. Google it.

no.

[JustMel]

	Originally Posted by LadySpock To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	no.

Fair enough, it's completely understandable that you wouldn't want to realize it's not quite a truly original thought.

[LadySpock]

Very few people think of things which haven't already been thought of.

We can find uniqueness in our actions.

Marinate in that for a few moments.

[IotaNull]

	Originally Posted by LadySpock To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Marinate in that for a few moments.

No.

[JustMel]

	Originally Posted by LadySpock To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Very few people think of things which haven't already been thought of. We can find uniqueness in our actions. Marinate in that for a few moments.

Thus far I've not seen anything unique in your posts in this thread. I prefer not to marinate in the blatant excrement filled inanity of poorly thought out ideas so I'll pass on the offer.

[LadySpock]

Thanks. That confirms what I said.

There are virtually no new thoughts under the sun.

Score!

Feel free to continue to participate in my excrement filled threads.

[2obvious]

Catfight!

...and who says women can't get along?

(...waitasec...)

[Cooper]

	Originally Posted by LadySpock To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Wrong. I made it up when I posted the thread.

Wrong.

	Originally Posted by JustMel To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Maybe but the term has been used before. Google it.

It has.

	Originally Posted by LadySpock To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	no.

Thats the spirit.

[JustMel]

	Originally Posted by LadySpock To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Thanks. That confirms what I said. There are virtually no new thoughts under the sun. Score! Feel free to continue to participate in my excrement filled threads.

There are new thoughts and ideas every day, you just have to search through the inanity to find them.

As for participating in your threads, which by the way makes your response sound like a jealous girlfriend defending her turf, I can often be found slummin' through people's bullshit ideas on a slow news day. It's always entertaining and occasionally you find gold. *shrug*

	Originally Posted by 2obvious To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Catfight! ...and who says women can't get along? (...waitasec...)

It was incredibly easy to manipulate the desired "catty" response.

[LadySpock]

	Originally Posted by 2obvious To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Catfight! ...and who says women can't get along? (...waitasec...)

I wasn't aware of that person's gender. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by JustMel To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

There are new thoughts and ideas every day, you just have to search through the inanity to find them. As for participating in your threads, which by the way makes your response sound like a jealous girlfriend defending her turf, I can often be found slummin' through people's bullshit ideas on a slow news day. It's always entertaining and occasionally you find gold. *shrug* It was incredibly easy to manipulate the desired "catty" response.

Meh.

I had no idea nor any care for you genital status.

My responses are the same to any of the moronic statement made by penises and vagina's alike.

---------- Post added 01-28-2012 at 11:06 AM ----------

	Originally Posted by Cooper To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Wrong. It has. Thats the spirit.

Is this "catty"? Wait - Cooper's vagina would have to be confirmed.

[castalia]

I don't have a problem with all women. In fact, there are several women I get along with very well.

The problem is that of the people I don't get along with or dislike, the majority are female. There are very few men with whom I have problems and I feel that as an INTJ female, men just understand me more than women.

[Purgatid]

@LadySpock - It's rather that your arguments don't seem to hold water, and you're assigning traits to people without explaining why they have those traits and in what way they attained them. Women give their view on things, and instead of just accepting their perception of things, you tell them that they're wrong and then proceed to 1) give them the trait of hating themselves and 2) using this as an argument for why they dislike socializing with other women. You don't seem to care about their experiences with socializing with other women, only to uphold your own idea of why they're not doing so.

Didn't you, perchance, make a thread about gaslighting?
This seems very related to that - save for you being the perp and not the vitcim.

You're invalidating their experiences through what you percieve as self hatred, regardless of what they think themselves (thank you for playing). Their reaction (I don't like women) is used for as an argument (self hatred) to invalidate their experiences (less drama) and open up for your own explanation. I find this thread very amusing because of it.

I am willing to give you the benefit of doubt though. Care to explain how you know that their reasons behind why they don't get along with other women are incorrect, in spite of them being their experiences and not yours, their thoughts and not yours - and your assumptions about why they don't get along with other women is correct?

I don't see how you could possibly know that.
Are you, in fact, secretly, Jean Grey from X-men?

[Tito]

Women can be very vicious with their own kind.

For example, I have noticed that whenever I'm out on my own, I get a reasonable amount of attention from women. In fact, its enough attention that if I wanted to score with someone, it wouldn't be much of a hassle. Or to put it another way, the days I don't score is almost always because of my fault or lack of interest.

Things become rather interesting when I'm out and about with a woman, especially if other women think I'm dating the lady accompanying me. The rise in attention I get from other women grows exponentially. It's incredible.

I'm certain that my looks has nothing to do with that growth, because if it had, then I would see such growth when out on my own, and while there are variations from one day to the next of my lonely daily meanderings, nothing compares to the growth in attention I get when I'm out with a woman.

It could very well be a woman hating on another woman for having a man on her side or for appearing quite happy and that happiness being attributed to being accompanied by me and for some reason, that happiness must be removed or ended or, perhaps, transferred to another woman.

The point is that I often get this vibe that women are competitive with each other to such a degree, that sometimes I wonder if its really just a competitive reaction or if there is genuine hatred among them.

It's the weirdest of things, since, as a male, I can tell you that competition among those of my sex is hardly ever as intense and, shall I say threatening, as I perceive it among women.

[Seablue]

Siso : it's not necesseraly hate or even competition. But just by being with a woman, you prove that you are capable of attracting women, of keeping them, that you're alright... and therefore become more attractive... Men who are always alone will raise suspicion : "if no female wants him it must be that there is something wrong with him"... so women will be less eager to find out for themselves if he's interesting or not.

Or something like that. *shrugs*

[BJBINTJ]

Having grown up in a day when gender discrimination was a legal reality - my graduate school had only admitted women for a few years when I arrived -- I can say that much of the discussion here is a great deal more about type than gender.
I have many female friends, although most of the ones I made in my younger days were IT or NT. As I age, I find that those of us who actively engage in type development really enjoy friends of different types because of what we learn from their ability to see what is not always obvious to us.

When I discovered type I learned that the guys I particularly enjoyed verbally destroying in my younger days were almost all very sexist ESTJs who did indeed think I was a light weight because I was a woman. I find I get along well with NTs of both sexes.
With regard to the "girlie" behaviors discussed here, I've been know to say to female friends that I had to admit I agreed with men that most girls were empty headed and shallow.
My TJ spouse and I raised an SFP. I remember one day saying to him that I think I finally understood laws which said women were not fit to manage their own affairs. Since statistically, most women are SF, any T man with a house full of SF, particularly SFP females, would have logically considered them totally unfit to manage themselves.
(That said, our SFP has matured and turned out to be teachable and is perfectly capable of managing self.) Unfortunately, our society does not encourage anyone, regardless of gender or type to learn self-management these days.

[Distance]

Originally Posted by Seablue To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Siso : it's not necesseraly hate or even competition. But just by being with a woman, you prove that you are capable of attracting women, of keeping them, that you're alright... and therefore become more attractive... Men who are always alone will raise suspicion : "if no female wants him it must be that there is something wrong with him"... so women will be less eager to find out for themselves if he's interesting or not. Or something like that. *shrugs*

Or he's confusing "safe guy" with interest. I have a preference to befriend guys who are in relationships or marriages since most often, we can safely be friends.

[Ray9]

I'm pondering the dynamic here that it would be unlikely to see a thread about men disliking other men. This leads us to the differences between the male and female brain. One conclusion that one can draw from this is that women who purport to dislike other women in general are uncomfortable with their roles and places as females. They may see femaleness or gender roles as forced on them. Being expected to act a certain way or "be" a certain way may violate some personal boundary. They also appear to show contempt for females who embrace femaleness because they regard being female as a relegation to inferiority. It's an interesting phenomenon but it probably stops short of self hatred.

[LadySpock]

Originally Posted by Purgatid To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

@LadySpock - It's rather that your arguments don't seem to hold water, and you're assigning traits to people without explaining why they have those traits and in what way they attained them. Women give their view on things, and instead of just accepting their perception of things, you tell them that they're wrong and then proceed to 1) give them the trait of hating themselves and 2) using this as an argument for why they dislike socializing with other women. You don't seem to care about their experiences with socializing with other women, only to uphold your own idea of why they're not doing so. Didn't you, perchance, make a thread about gaslighting? This seems very related to that - save for you being the perp and not the vitcim. You're invalidating their experiences through what you percieve as self hatred, regardless of what they think themselves (thank you for playing). Their reaction (I don't like women) is used for as an argument (self hatred) to invalidate their experiences (less drama) and open up for your own explanation. I find this thread very amusing because of it. I am willing to give you the benefit of doubt though. Care to explain how you know that their reasons behind why they don't get along with other women are incorrect, in spite of them being their experiences and not yours, their thoughts and not yours - and your assumptions about why they don't get along with other women is correct? I don't see how you could possibly know that. Are you, in fact, secretly, Jean Grey from X-men?

If you'd like to talk about the topic, I am willing. What I am no longer willing to do in this forum is talk about me.