[fivepointer]

Over the past few years, I have realized that I process things externally. It is much easier for me to figure out exactly what I "get" intuitively about a subject if I am talking to a friend about it, writing about it, etc. Is this common for INTJs? Is it perhaps a manifestation of Te?

[Kuroneko]

If I have to be rational, yes.
If I have to brainstorm, nope.

I am much more insightful/likely to think out of the box/etc when I am by myself thinking freely to something else. When I am with others I go all superlogical and I am somehow less creative.

When I actually have to be rational and pragmatic, talking with others helps me stay on track.

[anticlimatic]

Sounds more like Ne to me...

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One of the primary distinctions between INTPs and INTJs is that each thinks in the same form as the other acts, and each acts in the same form as the other thinks, in a certain context. INTJs will harness intuition to move things around in the sandbox of their minds, trying to find just the right rational path to bring into the real world-- INTPs harness intuition to move things around in the real world, trying to find just the right rational path to bring into their minds. Two shared but different sandboxes, two shared but different priorities.

[Ravendicon]

Originally Posted by anticlimatic To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

One of the primary distinctions between INTPs and INTJs is that each thinks in the same form as the other acts, and each acts in the same form as the other thinks, in a certain context. INTJs will harness intuition to move things around in the sandbox of their minds, trying to find just the right rational path to bring into the real world-- INTPs harness intuition to move things around in the real world, trying to find just the right rational path to bring into their minds. Two shared but different sandboxes, two shared but different priorities.

Oooohhh... never thought of it that way. I'm stealing this, and claiming I came up with it.

EDIT: and yes, I find I have to externalize everything to make novel connections. I find that I come up with the best ideas when talking about it with someone else, or writing about it. Much of it I doubt I could produce without externalizing.

[scorpiomover]

I'm not as confident about it, as anticlimatic. But it does distinctly sound like Ne to me. I often get insights, from something someone says in passing, that is nothing to do with what I've been thinking about, but that word or phrase just rings in my head, and somehow inspires me to think about the thing that I've been struggling with, in an entirely different way, and suddenly, the whole subject is clear to me.

[Kuroneko]

	Originally Posted by scorpiomover To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I often get insights, from something someone says in passing, that is nothing to do with what I've been thinking about, but that word or phrase just rings in my head, and somehow inspires me to think about the thing that I've been struggling with, in an entirely different way, and suddenly, the whole subject is clear to me.

Sounds like the opposite of what I do - or better, I do the same but while being alone.

[Scrotus]

I experience the same thing OP. If you're in college, I suggest you live alone and in a quiet part of the neighborhood. Try holding a conversation with yourself when doing any sort of critical thinking. It helps a lot.


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ww.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OzjK-5dAY
(He covers it very well)

[fivepointer]

	Originally Posted by Kuroneko To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Sounds like the opposite of what I do - or better, I do the same but while being alone.

Agreed. This hearkens back to what Anticlimactic said, as you and I are INTJs, and Scorpiomover is an INTP.


I suppose what Kuroneko said is a good way of putting it. I can intuitively "get" things, but some part of me discovers how to rationally describe something as I'm talking to someone else about said thing.

[Caramello]

Sometimes when I type a wall of text I sometimes think to myself how I actually organized the pool of thoughts in my head into progressive, rational statements. I think this is because each thought that follows another in concrete in text, so it is easier to go from one to the next instead of having to deal with the "pool of thoughts" in my head and to keep tabs on what comes before or after. I think this is why making conclusions based on axioms when I'm writing them is easier than having to remember axioms and prove results mentally. For the latter, I have to remember which axioms I can use and have to remember exactly what can be assumed. I have a somewhat complete but unorganized collection of thoughts, but knowing what I can work with because it is defined and concrete makes proofs easier. (Perhaps this is how INTJs in general function).