[Zsych]

	Originally Posted by Distance
	You may blame anyone you wish. But if no one speaks up against, it is by default...agreement with bigotry.

Actually prevailing thoughts are more forceful. Some thing that isn't discussed will soon be forgotten.

Still, if one wants to oppose something like sexism/racism, one may as well understand the underlying ideas, in order to be able to actually talk to the person's beliefs with a chance of changing them.

[Distance]

	Originally Posted by Still Standing
	I've come to realize that in a context of freedom of speech, openly disagreeing with bigotry gives it more value than ignoring it.

Refer to previous responses to the two moderators.

[Sinequanon]

	Originally Posted by Distance
	And all roads lead to Godwin, where millions of people were crisped, just because an authority figure told them to mind their own business.

Regarding this myopia, see my previous post.

[vern]

	Originally Posted by Munglik
	I doubt that Bl preaches this stuff IRL.

I am beginning to wonder if some of you even realize their is a world beyond this forum...bye-bye!

[Munglik]

	Originally Posted by vern
	No I am not immune, it just has not happened...other members of the forum will be influenced to different degrees or not at all...who cares anyway...my point was beyond the forum in the physical realm these attitudes are carried out physically, and not by safe little key strokes... and as such are intolerable...

	Originally Posted by Distance
	I jump up and speak up for the injustices that I feel strongly about and know, I can by speaking up, at least display resistance against bigotry. And all roads lead to Godwin, where millions of people were crisped, just because an authority figure told them to mind their own business.

We are talking about someone on the internet.

[Distance]

	Originally Posted by Munglik
	I doubt that Bl preaches this stuff IRL.

No one knows what happens in real life with Bl but exposure of bigotry for how ridiculous it is, can be well worth the effort.

[Kisai]

	Originally Posted by Cooper
	So the way to end racism

is love. Hating haters goes nowhere. The haters have simply learned to keep their mouths zippered in polite company. The core problem still festers. It is foolish to presume that silent people are tacit people. Better to lift up rocks and look at what lives underneath.

[Cooper]

	Originally Posted by Munglik
	I doubt that Bl preaches this stuff IRL.

Which would make him a troll.....correct?

[Zsych]

	Originally Posted by Munglik
	I doubt that Bl preaches this stuff IRL.

True enough, being politically incorrect has more consequences IRL. Also, what people say and what they feel/believe are often different things.

[Dung]

	Originally Posted by Kisai
	is love.

and a good dose of education.

[Cooper]

	Originally Posted by Kisai
	is love.

Now thats funny.....knock yourself out. And don't forget to love all those folks as they are beating and killing others just because they are of a different color.

[Bevan]

Originally Posted by Kisai

^ Despite my sometimes low opinion of some of the minds on the forum, I have never once witnessed anyone "falling into the wrong crowd" or being convinced of bigoted views by paltry evidence. I'm going to hazard that some people are jealous of BL's ability to constantly garner attention. I choose not to participate in his threads, but it has not escaped my notice that he is very effective at what he does.

I don't pay any attention to him either. In fact, I haven't taken notice of him until I started reading this thread, but the thread isn't really about him. The material he puts across is so lame I haven't bothered to respond to it. He might find more people who share his beliefs (if he really believes all that nonsense) on another forum, but maybe he's having too much fun here being obnoxious.

[Distance]

	Originally Posted by Sinequanon
	It's not really about "the way". This is a false dilemma. Methods vary depending on who is wielding the opinion. Giving credence to those without power who say stupid things actually gives them more power. Exposing those who have power who actually do harmful things helps remove their power. The problem is not that there are a bunch of nails, but that you are a hammer.

	Originally Posted by Sinequanon
	Regarding this myopia, see my previous post.

Which is why it's worthwhile to expose frauds, to refute their snake oil propaganda, rather than stand back and allow it to draw others of similar ilk to this site. If you've noticed, it's already drawn some Storm Front members.

[Munglik]

	Originally Posted by Cooper
	Which would make him a troll.....correct?

Nope, that means he's aware of the consequences of being labeled racist IRL.
The internet is one of the only places where he can say these things freely.

[Sinequanon]

	Originally Posted by Distance
	Which is why it's worthwhile to expose frauds, to refute their snake oil propaganda, rather than stand back and allow it to draw others of similar ilk to this site. If you've noticed, it's already drawn some Storm Front members.

BL is not Adolf Hitler. Adolf Hitler was the leader of a very powerful industrial nation, and BL is a poster on an internet forum. I trusted, prior to you re-asserting this ridiculous point, that you could see the difference between the two.

[Cooper]

Wonder what Hitler would have done with the internet?

[AnaK]

	Originally Posted by Distance
	If you've noticed, it's already drawn some Storm Front members.

Who?

[Distance]

	Originally Posted by Sinequanon
	BL is not Adolf Hitler. Adolf Hitler was the leader of a very powerful industrial nation, and BL is a poster on an internet forum. I trusted, prior to you re-asserting this ridiculous point, that you could see the difference between the two.

Note the number of BL's defenders. I trust that you can also understand that passivity is by default, an agreement with.

[Still Standing]

	Originally Posted by Still Standing
	I've come to realize that in a context of freedom of speech, openly disagreeing with bigotry gives it more value than ignoring it.

	Originally Posted by Distance
	Refer to previous responses to the two moderators.

I don't think he's acting this out in real life either. The Internet may be the only place where he actually has some sense of power -- if only the power to push other people's buttons in a non-threatening way for himself.

[Kisai]

	Originally Posted by Distance
	Note the number of BL's defenders. I trust that you can also understand that passivity is by default, an agreement with.

Who is defending BL? I am ridiculing those who want him burnt at the stake.

[Munglik]

	Originally Posted by Distance
	Note the number of BL's defenders. I trust that you can also understand that passivity is by default, an agreement with.

So you're comparing me with a follower of Hitler because I don't agree with you?

[Distance]

	Originally Posted by Still Standing
	I don't think he's acting this out in real life either. The Internet may be the only place where he actually has some sense of power -- if only the power to push other people's buttons in a non-threatening way for himself.

This would be guessing.

	Originally Posted by Kisai
	Who is defending BL?

Read this thread.

[Kisai]

	Originally Posted by Distance
	Read this thread.

I don't interpret passive-aggressive insinuations. Speak your mind.

[AnaK]

	Originally Posted by Distance
	Note the number of BL's defenders. I trust that you can also understand that passivity is by default, an agreement with.

I've defended him. I've never been to StormFront. I'm also not doing my duty as a woman in that I am 48 and childless. And I wear mostly pants. And I work in a somewhat male field.

Some say Voltaire said: "I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

[Distance]

	Originally Posted by Munglik
	So you're comparing me with a follower of Hitler because I don't agree with you?

Wrong. I'm comparing the passivity suggestion of some, to the passivity displayed by whites with the KKK and Germans who were passive over the attempted Jewish genocide. That is, unless you agree with BL. And then my opinion shifts paradigms.