[Monte314]

Opinions "acceptable"? Legally, yes. Culturally...

Unfortunately, the US is slowly becoming a place where "thought crime" is possible.

I believe that the intent of the Founders was that beliefs should not be criminalized. Crime is an overt act, actually undertaken with criminal intent. Whether or not my opinions are "acceptable" to anyone else has whatever significance I deem it to have.

[Midichlorianite]

	Originally Posted by Distance To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Racism includes the aspect of intolerance so why should anyone tolerate racists or expressed racism?

How does this make you better than them then? You are the same as racists with that standpoint.

[nowt]

And they [racists; sexists; what have you] should be fine with that.

	Originally Posted by AnimusDementis To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	How does this make you better than them then? You are the same as racists with that standpoint.

[Distance]

	Originally Posted by AnimusDementis To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	How does this make you better than them then? You are the same as racists with that standpoint.

Assumption that I give a shit about being "better" than anyone else. Actions to consequences.

[LadySpock]

No one has to accept another person's opinions ((shoulder shrug)).

[Distance]

Quite frankly, the notion of "being better than others" is exactly the negative lynch pin in racism or any other form of bigotry. It's the highly insecure that need to step on others, in order to vampirically suck self-esteem from others.

[Midichlorianite]

	Originally Posted by nowt To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	And they [racists; sexists; what have you] should be fine with that.

Of course, otherwise they are just hypocrites.

	Originally Posted by Distance To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Assumption that I give a shit about being "better" than anyone else. Actions to consequences.

You frown upon racism yet you resort to something frighteningly similar? Isn't that a bit hypocritical?

	Originally Posted by Distance To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Quite frankly, the notion of "being better than others" is exactly the negative lynch pin in racism or any other form of bigotry.

You misinterpret the meaning of the "better". You consider racism a "bad" quality, wouldn't you rather promote a "better" quality than resorting to their methods/qualities?

[Senseofrelief]

Moot - I state a fact that someone doesn't like, then your a troll, a racist, a bigot, an asshole.

I've found that the truth tends to prevail when you back it up with force.

'Africa is screwed up because black people in Africa can't get their shit together'.

This is a true statement. It might be sound racist, it might be offensive to some that don't like the implications, but at the end of the day, I can say it because, no body has got the stones or ability to kick my ass. So the truth prevails.

[Nostalgia]

so what about covert and overt racism? is it everyone okay with one of them and not the other?
As I stated before, there is a huge issue in regards to the difference between acceptance and tolerance.

[Distance]

	Originally Posted by AnimusDementis To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	You frown upon racism yet you resort to something frighteningly similar? Isn't that a bit hypocritical?

What? Are you suggesting that my opinion isn't acceptable?

	You misinterpret the meaning of the "better". You consider racism a "bad" quality, wouldn't you rather promote a "better" quality than resorting to their methods/qualities?

Why would I wish to use a different tactic? Turn the other cheek is bullshit as blatantly seen on this site. Notice how racism proliferates on INTJf when racists see they can avoid consequences by calling it opinion or preference?

[nowt]

Hypocrisy, too, is a tool. To be dropped once successfully used. And this is contrary to how the -isms work. When they are successful, they get held to all the more.

	Originally Posted by AnimusDementis To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Of course, otherwise they are just hypocrites.

[Midichlorianite]

	Originally Posted by Distance To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	What? Are you suggesting that my opinion isn't acceptable?

Not at all, merely an observation and a curiosity.

	Originally Posted by Distance To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Why would I wish to use a different tactic? Turn the other cheek is bullshit as blatantly seen on this site.

Fair enough.

	Originally Posted by Distance To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Notice how racism proliferates on INTJf when racists see they can avoid consequences by calling it opinion or preference?

I notice it, there is a reason why I posted a thread on the influx of racism related threads in the Support & Feedback section.

[Severus]

The only difference between racism and opinion is the level of abstractness of the terms. Opinion is an abstract term for the personal values and preferences of individual human beings; racism is a more specific, though still abstract, term for the personal values and preferences of individual human beings with regard to racial differences.

[idoj]

Originally Posted by Senseofrelief To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Moot - I state a fact that someone doesn't like, then your a troll, a racist, a bigot, an asshole. I've found that the truth tends to prevail when you back it up with force. 'Africa is screwed up because black people in Africa can't get their shit together'. This is a true statement. It might be sound racist, it might be offensive to some that don't like the implications, but at the end of the day, I can say it because, no body has got the stones or ability to kick my ass. So the truth prevails.

How is this truth? It would seem to me that it is a short sighted answer to a larger issue that has many different causes, but rather than look at all the factors or clearly define the problem... you chose to make a far reaching statement that debases an entire ethnicity rather than do your homework.

[LadySpock]

Truth appears to be relative idoj.

The simpler the mind, the less searching & vetting that mind does when it comes to assessing "truth."

[Munglik]

The "truth" can be simple.

[Sprelious]

Truth is only relative to those who tend to avoid it

[LadySpock]

	Originally Posted by Munglik To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	The "truth" can be simple.

It can...but often it isn't. The issue is the search. A simpler mind is less likely to engage in the search or be open to the possibilities...

[Munglik]

	Originally Posted by LadySpock To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	It can...but often it isn't. The issue is the search. A simpler mind is less likely to engage in the search or be open to the possibilities...

Arrogance is the problem here.

[idoj]

Even if you employ Occam's razor in this instance... You have to first look at all of the factors. You don't just get to pick the one that is easiest to extol. That's Glen Beck truth, not truth as defined by a rational mind.

[Senseofrelief]

	Originally Posted by idoj To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	How is this truth? It would seem to me that it is a short sighted answer to a larger issue that has many different causes, but rather than look at all the factors or clearly define the problem... you chose to make a far reaching statement that debases an entire ethnicity rather than do your homework.

Your missing the point.

You can't have a discussion about tough subjects unless MEN step up and talk about it. Certainly all the other people are going to pander to the herd, be scared, not go against the grain etc. The only way Christopher Hitchens was able to stand up against EVERYONE was having the balls, the will, and the moral fortitude to do so, not mention having bodyguards at his back (look it up).

[LadySpock]

	Originally Posted by Munglik To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Arrogance is the problem here.

Maybe maybe not.

Some people have little tolerance for intellectual pursuits. It seems like a waste of time for them. They prefer the simple to the complex & the easy to the challenging. Some folks with simple minds are arrogant, some aren't. I see arrogance in complex people too.

[Shoshana]

Originally Posted by Senseofrelief To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Your missing the point. You can't have a discussion about tough subjects unless MEN step up and talk about it. Certainly all the other people are going to pander to the herd, be scared, not go against the grain etc. The only way Christopher Hitchens was able to stand up against EVERYONE was having the balls, the will, and the moral fortitude to do so, not mention having bodyguards at his back (look it up).

You're also missing the point. The intention of what you mean is in the wording. To say Africa is screwed up because BLACK people can't get their shit together is an emotionally laden, subjective statement.

There are politically unstable states in Africa. And like all politically unstable environments---there is misery, corruption, tyranny and genocide. The point is, it has nothing to do with blackness and all the implications that come along with that remark. Europe was unstable just 70 years ago. The Middle East and parts of Asia are unstable. Skin color is moot in this discussion. Why do you feel the need to bring it up? It just seems provincial minded to me. Like you can't get past the black skin.

[Distance]

Originally Posted by Shoshana To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

You're also missing the point. The intention of what you mean is in the wording. To say Africa is screwed up because BLACK people can't get their shit together is an emotionally laden, subjective statement. There are politically unstable states in Africa. And like all politically unstable environments---there is misery, corruption, tyranny and genocide. The point is, it has nothing to do with blackness and all the implications that come along with that remark. Europe was unstable just 70 years ago. The Middle East and parts of Asia are unstable. Skin color is moot in this discussion. Why do you feel the need to bring it up? It just seems provincial minded to me. Like you can't get past the black skin.

Analogous:

Currently, the European Union and the U.S. are economically unstable in relation to their economic stability and viability, 10 years ago. Is this due to white skin colour?

[phoboser]

The definition of racism is opinion. Hardly anybody goes by the the dictionary definitions anymore: 1) hatred of other races 2) belief in racial superiority. Now it means anything from not being attracted to people of a certain race to believing that the intelligence gaps are genetic to wanting to lynch black people. The word is meaningless now. It's just a slur.