[Jgib5328]

When I read descriptions of the INTJ, it always talks about how we are 'formal'. I thought about it and I really don't think that trait describes me. I definitely prefer the casual in a lot of ways. In conversation, I tend to be more relaxed, "Sup dude", I swear, "Jesus Fuck", and I don't really respect honorifics that much, although I do more so when it's involved with my boss. I also love wearing sweat pants to class, because it's much more comfortable and I don't like to follow many rules.

What about you guys?

[Mozzes]

Informal around friends, definitely more formal around people I don't know or don't know well. Of course I do love pissing my boss off by omitting honorifics (sir, Mr., etc) on the religious grounds that all men and women are equal before God. He doesn't like that much.

[Antisocialite]

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When I read descriptions of the INTJ, it always talks about how we are 'formal'. I thought about it and I really don't think that trait describes me. I definitely prefer the casual in a lot of ways. In conversation, I tend to be more relaxed, "Sup dude", I swear, "Jesus Fuck", and I don't really respect honorifics that much, although I do more so when it's involved with my boss. I also love wearing sweat pants to class, because it's much more comfortable and I don't like to follow many rules. What about you guys?

I curse a lot. :embarassed: Even at work which I try not to do but it seems to put the men at ease.
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[allenlam]

Are you sure your're reading the description of INTJ?

INTJs are typically very informal, dislike following existing rules. We pay little attention to how others feel about us so that we do not care what clothes to wear. From time to time we forget the importance of using the right words to prevent injury to others feeling. It is true at least for describing me.

[ElstonGunn]

When I'm in a jocular kinda mood, sometimes I use formalities as a joke. Like if someone won't stop talking, I say, "Will the senator yield?" Or if someone asks me to do something, I might say "Yes, my liege." Aside from that, it depends on what "formal" means.

[Sean O]

Many people confuse articulate speech (something I certainly do and it seems like most of you do as well) with sounding proper, which may be where this "formal" perception arises from.

[Haphazard]

I've heard of INTJs insisting on being professional, and I'd say there's a difference between being professional and formal. I'm more the first, not so much the latter.

[Jgib5328]

	Originally Posted by Haphazard To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I've heard of INTJs insisting on being professional, and I'd say there's a difference between being professional and formal. I'm more the first, not so much the latter.

That's a good differentiation, professionalism is important, while formalism isn't.

[Pouthas]

Disliking rules and being informal are not necessarily related. I like rules that give me distance and respect, because I associate distance and respect with freedom. Thus, I treasure formality; a few simple manners and tasteful, conservative clothes give me the freedom to speak my mind without being dismissed as nerd, geek, or dork.

I am none of those. I am a mastermind. I do not follow rules, I use them.

My landlord and I are both legitimately descended (as opposed to being bastards) from aristocrats. We enjoy joking about liege lords and vassals. I regularly invoke my feudal rights.

[Seppuku Savant]

I can be with people I don't know well. I use to be more so when I was younger. I don't sweat that sort of stuff often.

[Homini Lupus]

I am very formal in appearance (suit, shirt and tie) since the time I decided that not being forrmal was giving away information about me for free. Speaking I am somewhat formal about grammar, proper use of words, some constructs like greetings etc., but I use that "formal" language to say very informal things. Basically, I'm roleplaying the gentleman while keeping intellectually alive and caustic. Also, I am ready to drop all formalisms whenever needed.

[Monte314]

I'm pretty formal with myself, but I don't expect or demand from anyone else. I suppose it's a defense mechanism.

[ScurvyRose]

I find that there is a direct correlation between how professional I am and how comfortable I feel in the situation. More comfort, increase is casual verbage. Nerves, increase in articulation and vocabulary level. This is the same at home, and at work. I think I hide behind it.

[Jughead]

The INTJs I know all talk rather formally, even when they're saying "motherfucker." It's not just them being articulate, it's the level of precision they use, and the way they construct their sentences.

[bricklayer]

I don't really know enough about the social rules so now I just do what I please. Who cares if it's formal or not?

[Dreamer]

Yep, it communicates to the other person that I enjoy keeping a certain distance from people.

[pinkroger]

I agree with Bricklayer. In order to understand formality, one would first have to understand social structures, which is something I wish I could do.

[eli]

	Originally Posted by Sean O To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Many people confuse articulate speech (something I certainly do and it seems like most of you do as well) with sounding proper, which may be where this "formal" perception arises from.

Word.
And like Haphazard said we also tend to be more professional or to value professionalism and thus can come off formal.

	Disliking rules and being informal are not necessarily related. I like rules that give me distance and respect, because I associate distance and respect with freedom.

I also treasure rules and formalities when I'm at work. I used to work in an informal work environment, where despite being at the bottom of the ladder people treated me as an equal when greeting and talking to me. I think it was their way of telling themselves they were treating as an equal in all regards, but they were of course not. Their demands made me seem like a maid. Oh wait, I forget I wasn't a maid, I was just being a good friend by running out and doing their errands. That's it.

In a lot of places, the drop of formalities is used to give the impression that there is no injustice, rather than really changing unfair practices. It's not surprising when you consider I was working in advertising.

And while we are on the subject of formalities and rules, I definitly believe in some rules in dress codes. For example, if you're going to a fancy white tablecloath restaurant, where all the waiters are in clean pants and shirts, you don't show up in hot pants and a tank top that only covers your boobs. I think you'll find your place is at McDonald's.

Formalities and society rules are a tool. Ignore them when you don't want anything and use them to get what you want.

[True Rune]

	Originally Posted by Jgib5328 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	That's a good differentiation, professionalism is important, while formalism isn't.

I agree.
Though I do also use formalities in jest. Bowing a little and pointing my hands towards a bus as if to present it to her (A little kid) saying, "Go forth, milady."

[Phalanx]

I am an absolute and total savage. The little sandcastles people build and dress with rules will all be washed away eventually. Formal action on an individual scale is nothing more to me than the intentional restriction of one's behaviour in a lame attempt to win the approval or respect of another. Structuring one's life around meaningless formalities in an attempt to manipulate people indicates weakness. If someone is to be respected they will have proven it through action, not by behaving like what imaginary successful people should behave like. It seems that most people are led around like slaves by these little imaginary shadow-people they try to emulate; ironic that we so readily surrender our freedoms to these vague personal abstractions, only protesting the worldly masters because we can see them and are ashamed. A suit and tie differ only from a pair of shackles by degree. This was me rationalizing my delinquent behaviours instead of admitting that it is a symptom of my immaturity and lack of life experience (How convienient that minimization of pain is the model for maturity!). So to answer your question no, I am not very formal.

[ElstonGunn]

	Originally Posted by eli To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	And like Haphazard said we also tend to be more professional or to value professionalism and thus can come off formal.

Professionalism at work, and structure everywhere. I sometimes like having formalities in place just so I can ignore them. I get a kick out of that occasionally, but I generally like to know what's expected of me in any given situation. I like the stability that rules give. They're a good starting point for me, but if I want to, I'll ignore them completely.

[Blacklustre King]

Formality? Pee shaw.

Formality to me is not COMPLETELY degrading someone by breaking down their childhood into why they suck their thumb and yell for mommy when they have sex.
Formality to me is looking someone in the eyes and telling them they will die of a stroke in four years.

[Antares]

I'm overly formal on IM, but not in real life. Heck. I'm even more formal on IM than I am here.

[ssrprotege]

I try to write posts in a fairly formal manner in the forum because of certain distances I feel amongst the members. If I meet someone I don't know well, I tend to use formal language. Other than special cases, I do whatever I feel like doing.

[eli]

	Originally Posted by ElstonGunn To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Professionalism at work, and structure everywhere. I sometimes like having formalities in place just so I can ignore them. I get a kick out of that occasionally, but I generally like to know what's expected of me in any given situation. I like the stability that rules give. They're a good starting point for me, but if I want to, I'll ignore them completely.

Exactly. I'll analyze a rule, see if it makes sense to me and if it doesn't I'll just pretend to agree and ignore it when nobody is around. If someone points out to me that I didn't do it, I pretend my little sweet pea brain forgot. Or if I'm really pissed, I don't feign innocence and just shrug.