[LadySpock]

	Originally Posted by Senseofrelief To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Funny while we lather up ourselves over female choice, it's really kinda pointless. Reminds of a girl I knew about 19, all drunk on the idea of guys hitting on her. She's about 40 now, the years haven't been horrible, but the term 'shelf life' comes to mind. Sorry to lower the levity, but It does bring a little reality to the conversation.

I am 40 and I have no issues with guys hitting on me - except that I am very married.

You need to rethink the concept that women are of no value after ((insert random age here)).

Seriously.

[VENUS 2020]

	Originally Posted by Senseofrelief To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Venus - Heres the thread start... So today, given how many screwed up kids we have, unmotivated, sickly, thin, mental issues, do you think woman should refocus their mate selections toward more Type A, aggressive, capable, genetically predisposed toward a positive Darwinian outcome?

	Originally Posted by Senseofrelief To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	210 Posts later - Hint for the girls - It would be nice to hear just one say 'Yeah, before I get pregnant, I would give some consideration to my mates health, sexual history, etc etc because I want a healthy baby. You want guys to marry you, take you seriously, this thread doesn't help your cause at all.

Holy shit, exactly what do you think “choice” entails, screwing arbitrarily any male that crosses our path and playing Russian roulette with our health, future and that of our potential offspring? Choice means I get to decide whether I want my progeny to be sired by the likes of Bill Gates verses Hulk Hogan. I consider a default position of preferring a modern day Neanderthal as the ideal sperm contributor (just because he is bigger, stronger and has the capacity and inclination to forcibly ensure that his genes are passed on in numbers) undesirable. I reject the notion that the type A male is the solution for improving the human gene pool. At this stage shouldn't the focus be on improving the overall intelligence of the species.

I accept that there will never be a consensus in this discussion so it's really pointless to pursue it further. For my part, I’ll agree to disagree.

[Senseofrelief]

Nothing to disagree with. 300 posts later, the girls can't decide what an Alpha is, despite having the ability to Google it, they argue for mating with pussies, despite the scientific evidence to the contrary, and its pretty clear that they are going to keep putting out males instead of men, if they keep getting their 'choice'.

[Polymath20]

	Choice means I get to decide whether I want my progeny to be sired by the likes of Bill Gates verses Hulk Hogan.

But you'll likely NOT mate with someone like that. You'll have to lower your standards.

[IotaNull]

	Originally Posted by Senseofrelief To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Nothing to disagree with. 300 posts later, the girls can't decide what an Alpha is, despite having the ability to Google it, they argue for mating with pussies, despite the scientific evidence to the contrary, and its pretty clear that they are going to keep putting out males instead of men, if they keep getting their 'choice'.

Is this non-Euclidean space you're working in? It would sure explain a lot.

[VENUS 2020]

	Originally Posted by Polymath20 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	But you'll likely NOT mate with someone like that. You'll have to lower your standards.

Ya don’t say! Standards lower than Hulk Hogan? Now there’s a challenge. :-)

[Polymath20]

	Originally Posted by VENUS 2020 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Ya don’t say! Standards lower than Hulk Hogan? Now there’s a challenge. :-)

He's kind of a jerk anyways. I think I'm a much better choice! :D

[alphawolf]

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	"Evolution" does not judge.

Of course not, it's simply deterministic.

[Zhen]

Originally Posted by RainingLogic To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

In the wild, a woman's 'choice' of mate is usually determined by the suitors ability to have prevailed over the other males, predators, the environment etc. In the Darwinian sense, by mating with this superior male, you are given the best genes to your offspring and the best mentor, protector, provider while raising them. It's an easy choice when your last mate couldn't bring home food to put on the fire, and your offspring didn't live past 6 months. So today, given how many screwed up kids we have, unmotivated, sickly, thin, mental issues, do you think woman should refocus their mate selections toward more Type A, aggressive, capable, genetically predisposed toward a positive Darwinian outcome?

this is too presumptuous a correlation. there are too many 'other' factors that influence how a kid turns out...especially in today's world...

[VENUS 2020]

	Originally Posted by Polymath20 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	He's kind of a jerk anyways. I think I'm a much better choice! :D

Hmm... I’m liking your logic and the way you wield those brain cells. It might just be in the stars. ;-)

[Doggzilla]

	Originally Posted by PurpleGiraffe To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Eugenics anyone? Yes, please, because that tends to have some pretty awesome outcomes...

Not that Im supporting Eugenics, but Germany just happens to have the healthiest economy on Earth right now, exports more than China, has the third lowest homicide rate in the world, and is in the top 5 most healthy countries. Its only beaten by Iceland, Sweden, Switzerland, and Japan, not in that order. The only countries that have less murders are Japan and Austria.

Ive always been a fan of German stuff, but this is a strange topic.

[IotaNull]

	Originally Posted by Doggzilla To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Not that Im supporting Eugenics, but Germany just happens to have the healthiest economy on Earth right now

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The German economy was utterly crippled by World War II, if memory serves, and I'm pretty sure the Holocaust *dramatically* reduced their productivity, both in direct terms and opportunity cost.

[Doggzilla]

	Originally Posted by Iota Null To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. The German economy was utterly crippled by World War II, if memory serves, and I'm pretty sure the Holocaust *dramatically* reduced their productivity, both in direct terms and opportunity cost.

That was war, not Eugenics. German production actually soared in spite of the holocaust and being bombed. Production of tanks and aircraft tripled from 1942 until 1944.

[IotaNull]

	Originally Posted by Doggzilla To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	That was war, not Eugenics. German production actually soared in spite of the holocaust and being bombed. Production of tanks and aircraft tripled from 1942 until 1944.

I specifically differentiated the two. Productivity of war tools during war is obviouly not a good barometer of the economy in general. And "in spite of" is the only point I was trying to make.

[Doggzilla]

Not really seeing that, but there GDP stayed roughly the same, so productivity absolutely increased. Even in 1945, when half of Germany was being pillaged by the Soviets and had all industrial equipment removed, Germany still managed to have within 15% the same GDP as when it invaded Poland. 310 Vs 350 billion USD.
The WWII history we are taught in school and college is rarely supported by real numbers. The fact is that two battles were responsible for German defeat, Stalingrad and the Soviet Operation Bagration. This led to the destruction of four German armies, mainly due to being forced to abandon proper tactics by their own high command. In Operation Bagration, Hitler ordered the armies to stand their ground, even though they had an entire flank open to the Soviets. The Soviets encircled and destroyed the German armies.

Seeing as how this is the case, their economy did remarkable in the face of all the hardships the country faced.

[AnaK]

Originally Posted by Doggzilla To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Not really seeing that, but there GDP stayed roughly the same, so productivity absolutely increased. Even in 1945, when half of Germany was being pillaged by the Soviets and had all industrial equipment removed, Germany still managed to have within 15% the same GDP as when it invaded Poland. 310 Vs 350 billion USD. The WWII history we are taught in school and college is rarely supported by real numbers. The fact is that two battles were responsible for German defeat, Stalingrad and the Soviet Operation Bagration. This led to the destruction of four German armies, mainly due to being forced to abandon proper tactics by their own high command. In Operation Bagration, Hitler ordered the armies to stand their ground, even though they had an entire flank open to the Soviets. The Soviets encircled and destroyed the German armies. Seeing as how this is the case, their economy did remarkable in the face of all the hardships the country faced.

If the country is rebuilding after the war, wouldn't that increase the GDP? When I worked in Germany, Germans said that after WWII, tenants had to pool their money to rebuild their rental buildings. The landlords weren't expected to rebuild them, as you'd suspect, since the landlords owned the buildings.

And, wasn't Germany in a depression when it invaded Poland?

[Distance]

Originally Posted by Doggzilla To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Not that Im supporting Eugenics, but Germany just happens to have the healthiest economy on Earth right now, exports more than China, has the third lowest homicide rate in the world, and is in the top 5 most healthy countries. Its only beaten by Iceland, Sweden, Switzerland, and Japan, not in that order. The only countries that have less murders are Japan and Austria. Ive always been a fan of German stuff, but this is a strange topic.

Germany's economy has nothing to do with eugenics. They have the largest immigrant population of any EU country. It's to do with work ethic and their progressive taxation system that ensures less income disparity, hence attracts skilled labour and professionals. Note Gini of around 27, as compared to many other countries with greater income disparity, particularly in the 40's like the U.S. and China.

As far as being #1 in the world for largest exporter, do you have any links to prove this? From what I recall, China's the largest exporter.

Anyways, evolution ensures the adaptive survive. Diversity of gene pool helps to ensure that the human race doesn't inbreed itself to death and the societal construct of law, at least in forms of democratic nations, allows women the legal right to breed as we wish, with whom we wish. For those who don't wish to breed but still want the fun...live the difference if it makes you happy and fuck the judgments!

[Doggzilla]

	Originally Posted by AnaK To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	If the country is rebuilding after the war, wouldn't that increase the GDP? When I worked in Germany, Germans said that after WWII, tenants had to pool their money to rebuild their rental buildings. The landlords weren't expected to rebuild them, as you'd suspect, since the landlords owned the buildings. And, wasn't Germany in a depression when it invaded Poland?

Europe recovered from the depression much more quickly than America, and Germany was actually the most economically healthy country in Europe. Only in 1938 and 1945 was German GDP surpassed by any country, the Soviet Union in this case. No time from 1938 until 1945 did German GDP drop below that of any other European country. They kept quite a lead on the UK for the entire period.
This wikipedia chart is fairly accurate, +/- 5% from any given source:
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Originally Posted by Distance To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Germany's economy has nothing to do with eugenics. They have the largest immigrant population of any EU country. It's to do with work ethic and their progressive taxation system that ensures less income disparity, hence attracts skilled labour and professionals. Note Gini of around 27, as compared to many other countries with greater income disparity, particularly in the 40's like the U.S. and China. As far as being #1 in the world for largest exporter, do you have any links to prove this? From what I recall, China's the largest exporter.

First off, I was responding to someone who said that countries that practice Eugenics are failures, I showed otherwise. I did not say Eugenics makes good economies, I simply pointed to an example of a country that was highly successful in spite of Eugenics.

When it comes to exporting, China has the highest exports, but net exports is led by Germany.

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Per citizen, Germany produces about 18 times the Chinese, and 4 times the US.

[Distance]

	Originally Posted by Doggzilla To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	First off, I was responding to someone who said that countries that practice Eugenics are failures, I showed otherwise. I did not say Eugenics makes good economies, I simply pointed to an example of a country that was highly successful in spite of Eugenics.

Considering that attempted genocide was only practiced for a very short span, these are apples to oranges comparison.

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Agreed, now that you've added "net" to your statement.

	Per citizen, Germany produces about 18 times the Chinese, and 4 times the US.

I'm too lazy to refute this in real terms since it's reliant on definition of the definition of productivity.

Anyways, the human race is doing just fine without eugenics of any form.

[Doggzilla]

	Originally Posted by Distance To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Considering that attempted genocide was only practiced for a very short span, these are apples to oranges comparison.

I cant think of any more widespread examples, even the Soviet Union and China really dont compare. The Soviets killed mainly over politics, the Chinese simple chose a sex. Are there any real and large scale Eugenics programs outside of Japan and Germany?

[Distance]

	Originally Posted by Doggzilla To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I cant think of any more widespread examples, even the Soviet Union and China really dont compare. The Soviets killed mainly over politics, the Chinese simple chose a sex. Are there any real and large scale Eugenics programs outside of Japan and Germany?

Maybe the point is that eugenics is so disturbing to people, that it will fail because people WILL tear it down or in the situation of China, attempted gendercide irony at its finest/most retarded. It's also a prime example of how to manifest population control for at least another generation due to the lack of "breeders" and facilitate social change for valuation of women. Fucking delicious!

[Doggzilla]

Sad thing is that few people actually do care. Even in the US, certain states chemically castrated tens of thousands of men and women, even if they hadnt committed crimes. Was it the people who stood up and said "enough!"? No, it was a lawsuit for compensation.

Everyone wants to believe that people are actually really good inside, but reality is that people ignore it unless they are physically removed. Was reading a study the other day about race based hate, where they intentionally placed people in situations where they saw some form of racial bias. The people who previously said they would stand up in such a situations just sat there and could care less, they said they just didnt want to get involved. Same thing with Nazi Germany, people didnt want to get involved.

It does have a lot to do with culture as well, south American cultures tend to be absurdly brutal. Those who are raised as Americans tend to be far less brutal. And by brutal, I mean they treat their "friends" worse that I treat my worse enemy. They laugh at their friends when they are down, and many times they will physically harm someone for making them feel bad. Not because the perpetrator did something to feel guilty about, but that the person being hit makes him/her feel bad watching her. They actually think that making someone feel empathy and sadness is some sort of attack on them. Ive seen it quite a few times.
They also attack anybody who has the audacity to stand up for themselves. Standing up to a bully is considered some sort of crime, you can bully, but you simply cannot stand up to a bully ever. Every time I saw someone stand up to someone else, the others around them would say thing like "fuck you nigga, who do you think you are", when they simply said they were sick of being called a "faggot" "retard" bipolar" and many other things.

I used to be very open minded before I actually had to live with people from South America. The things Ive seen are beyond description. For instance, I stopped a man from beating a woman in public, and the woman turned on me. Apparently you have to have a certain social stature to interfere with a crime.