A Sizeable Portion of the INTJs Here Aren't INTJs

**Stopharian** · 07-23-2008, 10:55 AM

Contrary to the idea that this is a place for INTJs to let their hair down and unwind from the stress of having to exist in an SJ world, this forum actually has quite a large number of SJs masquerading as INTJs. Some people might be too polite to point this out, but I thought that perhaps others might want to consider the idea for a moment. I suppose that MBTI is a nebulous division of personalities at times but at the same time distinctions certainly do exist.

I want to hear what you think about it. Do you find the tenor of the forum to be changed by those with SJ leanings? Does it make you doubt your own type when you suspect that others whom now believe themselves to be INTJ are in face just confused about where they stand in the spectrum?

**le Duc** · 07-23-2008, 11:02 AM

I've wondered it myself, as I tend to have higher S (lower N? whatever) tendancies than some other INTJs I meet. I enjoy dealving into theoretical or philosophical discussions, but only as they have a practical application. Is that low N or high J? I don't know. My experience has been that when N combines with P it makes for a much more abstract thinker, that can make any N+J look more sensory.

Anyway, good thread topic. I'm new here, so no perspective on how things might be changed or changing. I look forward to hearing what others think.

**Homini Lupus** · 07-23-2008, 11:02 AM

Most of the times, unless it is specifically a discussion about MBTI, I value much more the worth of what is being said than the real or presumed MBTI of the poster. I find the forum is working well, S or non S, and S hunting would just damage it, in my opinion.

Obviously, if the discussion is specifically about types that may create confusion, but only my brain can elaborate that and try to see through that confusion.

**Uytuun** · 07-23-2008, 11:07 AM


	Contrary to the idea that this is a place for INTJs to let their hair down and unwind from the stress of having to exist in an SJ world, this forum actually has quite a large number of SJs masquerading as INTJs.

What brought you to that conclusion?

**MacGuffin** · 07-23-2008, 11:07 AM

Is this a companion thread
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**Stopharian** · 07-23-2008, 11:11 AM

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Yes. It was obvious to me what you were getting at, but Im not sure all were getting the hint. Since then I have seen a few other INTJs mention the same thing in conversations elsewhere and just decided to ask.

**le Duc** · 07-23-2008, 11:14 AM

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Maybe this will be the less verbose version.
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**Synamon** · 07-23-2008, 11:17 AM

Huh? This is second thread two days about ISTJs posing as INTJs started by INTPs on this forum, what gives? I assume many people come to forums like this one looking for information to better decide their type and many come here to interact with other types as well as their own. Nothing wrong with any of that. Putting INTJ as your type on your profile doesn't make you one and I rarely even look at what type someone is when reading their posts. It doesn't matter, this forum is not exclusive to INTJs in any way. Stereotyping people by type and bashing ISTJs in particular is incomprehensible to me.

Maturing into your MBTI type to me means learning the skills to tap into your 'S' function, or the other three functions as necessary. We all have all 8 functions to draw upon, the labels just represent our natural inclinations. Intuitive people can sense, it just may not come naturally.

The forum is made up of the people who contribute and at different times will be dominated by more than one personality type, it is inclusive not exclusive, or the OP wouldn't be here either.

**Marcus** · 07-23-2008, 11:18 AM

Let the Great Purge begin!
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But seriously, mistyping is part of the game. I think that there are some one letter misses around (INFJ, ISTJ, ENTJ) (INTPs are more likely to type themselves correctly) and there were some ENTPs in INTJ disguise.

Also I think that a forum with purely INTJs would be more boring. At least now we have more diverse opinions.

**Haphazard** · 07-23-2008, 11:19 AM

	Originally Posted by Homini Lupus To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Most of the times, unless it is specifically a discussion about MBTI, I value much more the worth of what is being said than the real or presumed MBTI of the poster. I find the forum is working well, S or non S, and S hunting would just damage it, in my opinion.

Agreed.

	Originally Posted by Stopharian To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Contrary to the idea that this is a place for INTJs to let their hair down and unwind from the stress of having to exist in an SJ world, this forum actually has quite a large number of SJs masquerading as INTJs.

Actually... I'd say that all the complaints about SJs might not actually be denial but rather INPs. I've noticed a lot of bad blood between SJs and NPs (moreso than NJs and SJs). Also, because INPs have auxiliary intuition and tertiary sensing, they're more 'S' and less 'N' than INJs. Also, I think some of the confusion may be because of Ni compared to Ne -- Ne seems more like what intuition is in the tests, and Ni is more like Si than people realize.

Then again, it may be likely that more people are typing themselves as Ns rather than Ss here because it seems 'better' to be an N.

**Flamethrower** · 07-23-2008, 11:21 AM

	Originally Posted by Stopharian To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Contrary to the idea that this is a place for INTJs to let their hair down and unwind from the stress of having to exist in an SJ world, this forum actually has quite a large number of SJs masquerading as INTJs. Some people might be too polite to point this out, ....

Ok, who are they then?

	Originally Posted by Stopharian To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I want to hear what you think about it. Do you find the tenor of the forum to be changed by those with SJ leanings? Does it make you doubt your own type when you suspect that others whom now believe themselves to be INTJ are in face just confused about where they stand in the spectrum?

I am sure there are people on here who have typed themselves INTJ who are not. Whenever I have thought this though I have normally wondered if the person is INTP.

I am certain that I am INTJ. I have a large number of SJ friends and I find the same things irritate me about them. Mostly details. I'll get a phone call, email or msn from them and everything is:

"I spent $10 on blah and $6 on some other blah... it took me 50 minutes to get to work today which was 8 minutes slower than yesterday... if I sell x number of widgets by Thursday then I will have enough money to do blah on Friday... I met my friend on the corner of x and y street today and we spent $5 on lunch at blah cafe that is wedged between something shop and some other shop that sells donuts for $1 each on Mondays at 2pm..."

And I am going "shut the f up, I'm trying to be creative! I don't need to know every silly detail of your life"

I mean seriously, how many people are doing that here?

**MacGuffin** · 07-23-2008, 11:24 AM

	Originally Posted by Stopharian To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Yes. It was obvious to me what you were getting at, but Im not sure all were getting the hint. Since then I have seen a few other INTJs mention the same thing in conversations elsewhere and just decided to ask.

While there are certainly ISTJs as INTJs here, I was also wondering if the INTJs see anything of themselves in ISTJs. This is something I've noticed in people I'm sure are INTJ.

**Marcus** · 07-23-2008, 11:28 AM

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	Ok, who are they then?

Yes, give that list with the names to Flamethrower, he is the man for that kind of job.
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**Flamethrower** · 07-23-2008, 11:31 AM

	Originally Posted by MacGuffin To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	While there are certainly ISTJs as INTJs here, I was also wondering if the INTJs see anything of themselves in ISTJs. This is something I've noticed in people I'm sure are INTJ.

My father is ISTJ and so is one of my best friends. We definitely have some things in common. Particularly with industriousness but the friend certainly in many ways has a lot in common with me. We are both obsessed with reading but the big tell tale sign we are different is that I read and then come up with my own theories about things whereas she reads and then just spits out the details again without adding any original thought of her own.

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	Yes, give that list with the names to Flamethrower, he is the man for that kind of job. To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I'm a girl
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And what is it I am doing? Identifying the SJs and shooting them?

**Marcus** · 07-23-2008, 11:35 AM

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Well, take the generic meaning of man as individual/person.

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	And what is it I am doing? Identifying the SJs and shooting them?

Burning them at the stake, what else?

**Stopharian** · 07-23-2008, 11:40 AM

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	Burning them at the stake, what else?

We have to find out witch ones float first. Don't put the cart before the horse.

**emanon** · 07-23-2008, 11:45 AM

I certainly see some ISTJ in me but not as much as I see INTJ in me.

What are you going to do about it anyway?

**Marcus** · 07-23-2008, 11:49 AM

	Originally Posted by Stopharian To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	We have to find out witch ones float first. Don't put the cart before the horse.

Damn! I thought that you had already done that before making your list. We shouldn't entrust a delicate job to an INTP next time.

**Synamon** · 07-23-2008, 11:50 AM

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	I certainly see some ISTJ in me but not as much as I see INTJ in me. What are you going to do about it anyway?

Laughing! Great response. How does that saying go, if you win a fight on the internet you are still retarded? I wonder what you are when you start a witch hunt online? Insane?

Jezebel · 07-23-2008, 12:14 PM

	Originally Posted by Stopharian To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Contrary to the idea that this is a place for INTJs to let their hair down and unwind from the stress of having to exist in an SJ world, this forum actually has quite a large number of SJs masquerading as INTJs. Some people might be too polite to point this out. . .

We're not going to play the 'you mistyped yourself' witch hunt game here. This forum was not created on the basis of it being a sanctuary from other types, SJ or otherwise. We do encourage all members to explore type theory to find their best fit, but ostracizing part of our membership for being the 'wrong' type is not the way to do this. I would rather not see this kind of cliquish behavior developing on this forum.

It's fine to discuss differences and similarities between ISTJs and INTJs. We have another thread created yesterday
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with that purpose. We don't need a second one the next day directed at the members.

07-23-2008, 10:55 AM	#1
Stopharian Member [02%] MBTI: INTP Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 108	Contrary to the idea that this is a place for INTJs to let their hair down and unwind from the stress of having to exist in an SJ world, this forum actually has quite a large number of SJs masquerading as INTJs. Some people might be too polite to point this out, but I thought that perhaps others might want to consider the idea for a moment. I suppose that MBTI is a nebulous division of personalities at times but at the same time distinctions certainly do exist. I want to hear what you think about it. Do you find the tenor of the forum to be changed by those with SJ leanings? Does it make you doubt your own type when you suspect that others whom now believe themselves to be INTJ are in face just confused about where they stand in the spectrum?
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07-23-2008, 11:02 AM	#2
le Duc Veteran Member [87%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 3,500	I've wondered it myself, as I tend to have higher S (lower N? whatever) tendancies than some other INTJs I meet. I enjoy dealving into theoretical or philosophical discussions, but only as they have a practical application. Is that low N or high J? I don't know. My experience has been that when N combines with P it makes for a much more abstract thinker, that can make any N+J look more sensory. Anyway, good thread topic. I'm new here, so no perspective on how things might be changed or changing. I look forward to hearing what others think.
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07-23-2008, 11:02 AM	#3
Homini Lupus Member [30%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,228	Most of the times, unless it is specifically a discussion about MBTI, I value much more the worth of what is being said than the real or presumed MBTI of the poster. I find the forum is working well, S or non S, and S hunting would just damage it, in my opinion. Obviously, if the discussion is specifically about types that may create confusion, but only my brain can elaborate that and try to see through that confusion.
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07-23-2008, 11:07 AM	#5
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07-23-2008, 11:17 AM	#8
Synamon Core Member [465%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 18,616	Huh? This is second thread two days about ISTJs posing as INTJs started by INTPs on this forum, what gives? I assume many people come to forums like this one looking for information to better decide their type and many come here to interact with other types as well as their own. Nothing wrong with any of that. Putting INTJ as your type on your profile doesn't make you one and I rarely even look at what type someone is when reading their posts. It doesn't matter, this forum is not exclusive to INTJs in any way. Stereotyping people by type and bashing ISTJs in particular is incomprehensible to me. Maturing into your MBTI type to me means learning the skills to tap into your 'S' function, or the other three functions as necessary. We all have all 8 functions to draw upon, the labels just represent our natural inclinations. Intuitive people can sense, it just may not come naturally. The forum is made up of the people who contribute and at different times will be dominated by more than one personality type, it is inclusive not exclusive, or the OP wouldn't be here either.
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07-23-2008, 11:18 AM	#9
Marcus Member [25%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,027	Let the Great Purge begin! To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. But seriously, mistyping is part of the game. I think that there are some one letter misses around (INFJ, ISTJ, ENTJ) (INTPs are more likely to type themselves correctly) and there were some ENTPs in INTJ disguise. Also I think that a forum with purely INTJs would be more boring. At least now we have more diverse opinions.
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07-23-2008, 11:45 AM	#17
emanon Member [07%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 301	I certainly see some ISTJ in me but not as much as I see INTJ in me. What are you going to do about it anyway?
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