[benr3600]

So I had an epiphany the other night while playing MW3. I was playing "survival" mode, which is where you team up with another online player and fend off waves of AI attacks that progressively become more difficult. This kid I just randomly came across (who was the best partner I'd had up until then, and probably still not including cheaters/glitchers) asked me from the get go "are you a mastermind?" I thought about it for a few seconds, and after realizing how ironic it is, given our archetypal nickname in some MBTI classification, I guess I am a mastermind with regard to the tactical aspect of games like that. Although I do enjoy playing the online multiplayer games against other people, I am significantly more skilled and fascinated with the AI opposition tactical/strategic modes of these games, especially Nazi Zombies. Simply put, I'd rather analyze something consistent, such as AI, and given game modes/environments and lead other players to relative success than play against random other players online and decide who has the faster reflexes, better coordination, etc. Are there other INTJs that share this affinity for FPS games?

[True Rune]

Nope, I'm pretty terrible at FPS games and find the communities to be filled with emotionally immature people and children.

[benr3600]

	Originally Posted by True Rune To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Nope, I'm pretty terrible at FPS games and find the communities to be filled with emotionally immature people and children.

Quite true, however, have you considered trying the cooperative, non-MP game modes?

[scorpiomover]

I'm an INTP. I'm not that good at getting good at video games that quickly. I'm a slow learner, something that is to do with my P-ness. But I'm very logical, and very creative. So I can well understand that someone just like me, but with J instead of P, say, an INTJ, might be way better at video games than me.

[reckful]

@OP: I'm not much of a gamer, but I totally relate to your description, and I'd expect that to be fairly typical of N's, but especially of NTs (and maybe NTJs even moreso).

I want a game that involves more or less consistent environments/situations that I can figure out and master by working out a successful strategy. And once I've mastered a particular level (or game), I'll pretty much lose interest in playing it anymore; I'll want to move on to figuring out the next level.

Focusing on the "faster reflexes, better coordination" (as you put it) aspects of games would be more of an S thing.

You might associate randomness with a P preference and, accordingly, think NTPs might prefer games where what happens is less patterned and predictable, but I suspect that's mostly not true. I'd assume a typical INTP gamer probably has more or less the same "strategic" focus that the typical INTJ gamer has, and likewise prefers games that effectively represent puzzles that can be solved.

[TheObserver]

I'm not a big fan of FPS games. There is pretty much nothing creative or interesting about them unless they have a decent story line. It is usually just about shooting, throwing grenades, and dancing around so people don't hit you.

[SeverusSin]

I have an affinity for FPSs that hark back to my younger days of PC gaming, DOOM, Quake and Castle Wolfenstein where singleplayer was the main focus of any game. The tactical and strategic elements of ammo conservation and taking on many consistently behaving AI enemies was thrilling. Since those days, I've found much more connected when playing strategy games such as Command and Conquer and Starcraft. Over the last few years I've migrated from PC gaming to console gaming exclusively, which tend to be more geared toward sensor types, correct me if I'm wrong.

I do partake in the multiplayer aspect of CoD:MW3 however and I have not touched any other part of the game, as I did with Black Ops. I do acknowledge however that I am pretty much an average player, not that great not that bad. I'm nowhere near as good as the typical quick-reflexed sensor, I've seen many perform feats such as running around with a sniper rifle (note: running) and one-shotting guys and ending the game with 25 kills to 2 deaths. That's none short of amazing to me as my reflexes are okay, but no great shakes. I put this down to my N, especially as I try to read into what got me killed and come up with strategy on the go, whereas I think most people literally just keep moving until they see a moving enemy on-screen and simply shoot. Run around more, rinse and repeat. I like to employ some conscious strategy to even my shooting style, many times I have ended up dying while thinking and just about applying the next move (crouching, running, reloading or whatever).

I still enjoy MW3 however and would really like to be a lot quicker with the reflexes and faster at employing strategy but hey, we can't have it all. I do get that addictive feeling of wanting to play more to rank up and unlock more stuff, but not because I feel I'm on a roll or playing well, but because I know with persistence I will gain enough XP to move to the next level eventually.

[Doppelbock]

FPS games are my favorite. Quake 4 in multiplayer mode (deathmatch) is my favorite. Left4Dead is great too.

[Vulture]

i love vs fps's and have always been good at them. i'm not the fastest at twitch reaction, especially as i've gotten older, but i find my edge lies in learning maps.

i know where healthpacks/weapons are, and always know how to get to where i need to go. i also know where to position myself for optimum advantage. position almost solely figures into my advantage. i know when to yield ground and where i can go to start to retake it. i know where to go to take ground. i know where to go beforehand whenever i need to retreat.

i can know where to go on a map based on where other players are, i generally have a solid grasp of where everyone is on the map at any given time, especially the players better than me. i also learn very fast my opponents patterns and try and capitalize on those patterns. i also learn my team's patterns and take that into account when playing.

i know what targets/players to take out first for maximum impact, and know how to support my team's strengths.

at team fortress 2 i excel at soldier, engineer and sniper for these reasons. the other classes seem slightly less positionally important. i'm also pretty good at heavy for same reasons but not as dynamic. in other games i would seek out similar weapons as listed above (snipers/explosives/fortifications,) and tend to do quite well.

[Vermillion]

Analyzing and exploiting patterns is a trademark of an INTJ. I'm not really into FPS but in the exceptionally hard Mega Man 9 I was able to learn all the AI patterns of the robot masters and beat them with nothing but the mega buster.

[MrFreakaficial]

The NF perspective on this is, as expected, similar to an extent, but ultimately different. I enjoy video games for the variety of emotionally charged experiences they have to offer, all the while not being too concerned about my efficiency in them. While as said above, analyzing and exploiting patterns is a trademark of an INTJ, creating and immersing oneself in the fantastic would be the trademark of NFs.

In RPGs, I'm fascinated by story, environments, the subtleties of how it's all woven together, but not too motivated to craft the best gear. In co-operative games, like FPS, I'm most comfortable and most efficient at fulfilling subservient roles, such as supporting my teammates while they plan or complete objectives. I have a strange relationship with RTS games; I'm not the best strategist or tactician, as that is the realm of XNTJs, but it seems like my J and Ti can sometimes keep toe-to-toe with better players if I try really hard. Thing is, I don't want to, and take more joy out of consuming the emotional charge of an epic fort battle in a Total War game.

[Quett]

I enjoy them but I can't play the modern military games. I'm not observant enough to see the tiny brown and grey figures against the brown and grey junkyard settings and I'm not patient enough to put up with running across a map for 5 minutes to get sniped from across the map. I need the bright primary colors of Halo to have any idea what's going on and the hardiness of power armor to give me enough time to react.

I also can't sharpshoot to save my life.

[RavenRawne]

When it comes to video games, I do enjoy FPS, but only single player. As soon as I'll finish the single player campaign and switch to multiplayer I loose interest quite fast. Personally, I think it's because of community and play style of other players, witch is much faster paced and concerntrated on lighting speed, rather than strategy and consistent battle plan.

I perform much better in RTS games (I played every single Dawn of War game there is), and not only in single player, but in multiplayer also (but still I play too defensively). In case of Dawn of War 2 the Last Stand co-op mode is what I enjoy the most.

I have also played in MMORPG Warhammer Online, where I was performing role of an offcer, responsible, among other things, for strategic and operational command (planning pre-arranged "attack pattern alfa's" for the team). I've found it very satisfactional to observe my strategies in realization.

Last, but not least, were the "steatlhy" games. I played "Hitman" and "Thief" series, witch were also enormously satisfactional. Setting the stage for a hit to "lok like an accident" was most painstaking, but at least I was required to make advanced planning, witch I of course enjoy.

[benr3600]

Originally Posted by reckful To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

@OP: I'm not much of a gamer, but I totally relate to your description, and I'd expect that to be fairly typical of N's, but especially of NTs (and maybe NTJs even moreso). I want a game that involves more or less consistent environments/situations that I can figure out and master by working out a successful strategy. And once I've mastered a particular level (or game), I'll pretty much lose interest in playing it anymore; I'll want to move on to figuring out the next level. Focusing on the "faster reflexes, better coordination" (as you put it) aspects of games would be more of an S thing. You might associate randomness with a P preference and, accordingly, think NTPs might prefer games where what happens is less patterned and predictable, but I suspect that's mostly not true. I'd assume a typical INTP gamer probably has more or less the same "strategic" focus that the typical INTJ gamer has, and likewise prefers games that effectively represent puzzles that can be solved.

Exactly. But the addicting aspect is that it simply never stops; it goes on to infinity. Then you can try to see how far you can get. But you are right in that once you work everything out, and find the best strategy, you hit a wall of motivation. Sometimes when I master a map my productivity actually goes down a little, a sign that I need to move on to another one.

[Fujimoto]

My favorite game of all time is Final Fantasy Tactics.

[benr3600]

I liked that game for GBA. It was fun building my party in a way that wouldn't allow it to be devastated by any of the disability cards. Until they hit you with something like no weapons + no magic FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!

[Doomination]

video games are very important to me - one of the few things that I can use as a vent for stress.

[theiceman]

Originally Posted by benr3600 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

So I had an epiphany the other night while playing MW3. I was playing "survival" mode, which is where you team up with another online player and fend off waves of AI attacks that progressively become more difficult. This kid I just randomly came across (who was the best partner I'd had up until then, and probably still not including cheaters/glitchers) asked me from the get go "are you a mastermind?" I thought about it for a few seconds, and after realizing how ironic it is, given our archetypal nickname in some MBTI classification, I guess I am a mastermind with regard to the tactical aspect of games like that. Although I do enjoy playing the online multiplayer games against other people, I am significantly more skilled and fascinated with the AI opposition tactical/strategic modes of these games, especially Nazi Zombies. Simply put, I'd rather analyze something consistent, such as AI, and given game modes/environments and lead other players to relative success than play against random other players online and decide who has the faster reflexes, better coordination, etc. Are there other INTJs that share this affinity for FPS games?

First off, why are you playing that child's game? The age level for that should be 10-14 with how gameplay is on there.

Back to the subject, I'm good at certain FPS games and especially good at the objective based modes. I find that I am able to find flaws more often in the opposing team's structure, defenses and capitalize on them. It ends up not looking very pretty but it gets the job done. MW3 plays like a crappy FPS game but if you know enough tactics you can lead your team to victory.

I would probably say that my best FPS is Quake. That is the one game where I pretty much do everything solo because I'm so good at it.

I prefer objective based modes with Capture the Flag probably being my favorite.

[Karatekel]

Yes, I love FPS games, strategy games, anything that requires thinking. I got addicted to COD. I sold my Xbox because it was getting in the way of the work I needed to get done. No regrets.
Now I mostly play PC games, but since they're generally less awesome/fun, I don't spend as much time playing them.

[SarcasticVlad]

I play RPG's mostly. I like losing myself in a fictional world and make important choices that will shape that world. Gaming had always been an important part of my life. As for FPS, I like a few FPS games, mostly for the story and relaxing.

Also, CoD sucks. You need tactics to be good at CoD as much as you need intelligence to be a good photo model.

[Awesome]

no I don't play counter strike 1.6 all the time.

[thesorehead]

I love my computer games: Fighters, FPS and RTS in particular. Comp-stomping on my own is good practice for game mechanics; and in multiplayer modes there's the challenge and teamwork aspect of PvE. Also, some single-player games and modes I enjoy for the action, atmosphere and challenge (Sengoku/Onimusha/DMC/Ninja Gaiden, Thief, 1945, Half-Life).

But facing a human opponent is really what it's all about. An AI can be programmed to be a perfect opponent, completely unbeatable with uber micro, macro and mixups. The fact that AI can be beaten in games comes down to flaws built into the AI by the designers so that they can be beaten. In the end, AIs (in games) are designed by humans so that other humans can beat them.

Cutting out that middleman and actually competing against another human is a lot more meaningful to me. Right then and there, it's skill against skill alone. Of course some may have the upper hand by virtue of using better gaming gear, but that's why I prefer the arcade: you're all using the same machines, latency isn't an issue, and you're right there socially sharing both virtual and physical space and time.

From what I've seen the closest I could get to enjoying the fantasy RPG genre would be Demon's/Dark Souls. Those games seem to be pretty much all about the combat and they are bloody hard.

[Dreamatorium]

I can't play RTS games at all, despite often enjoying their setting. On the contrary, however, I love TBS games like Civilization and have poured tens of hours of my life into conquering the world with blood and steel.

I really enjoy games like The Witcher 2, Deus Ex, Deus Ex: HR, Dark Messiah, Splinter Cell - the list goes on. I'm also pretty good at FPS games that make you think tactically, although I'm not good at improvisation.

[IreOfDesire]

I don't relate. Reasons:
1. FPS are quite boring, there are no fundamental changes in the genre since it was created. Too little diversity.
2. Prefer Human opponent instead of AI. There are rarely well written AIs and even when they are well developed still their patterns can be too easy to spot and handle. Human opponents on the other side are much more challenging and you can play mind games on them - priceless.

[FeriaKaiser]

I like Devil May cry 3, Star ocean 3, God of war, ninja gaiden, assassin's creed....lately just games where it's like you're all alone and you're amazing....with a unique gameplay..or just straight up japanese rpg's. FPS games I'm starting to play more since I never really got into them and everybody else is going.....big community.