[Reginald X]

Gonna go with rebelliousness/curiosity as a possible causal explanation, if there is any. I mean, look around INTJf: you see a bunch of allegedly smart folks reiterating how little they care for society's standards. And it's easy to see that for INxx types at least, the prospect of exploring those rarefied states of consciousness can be seductive.

[Distance]

Beyond the silly 'high IQ' definition, there might be some correlation, whether dopamine related and/or a form of social escapism for the seriously high IQers, particularly those who have ADHD.

[Axion004]

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	Not all drugs are narcotics and going to sleep is rarely the objective. The problem with you sitting around thinking all night is that its always you doing the thinking. If you could change your thought processes then perhaps you would gain new insights. Sort of like looking at the same object but from a different angle.

Please explain further.

[sommers71]

You can't understand if you only accept drug free mental states as the default view of how we define our reality. Some drugs don't just change what you see, but more fundamental aspects of how you perceive things.

[Doggzilla]

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	You can't understand if you only accept drug free mental states as the default view of how we define our reality. Some drugs don't just change what you see, but more fundamental aspects of how you perceive things.

I never experienced this with any drug, my perception never changed, but my will to find solutions did. For instance, the improved mental stamina from amphetamines allows the completion of more sophisticated logical connections. This is actually a negative thing when someone has limited knowledge of a subject, as it makes absurd connections between unrelated things.
I've found that I can have superior revelations just by accumulating knowledge and experience. No drugs required. Drugs really help the most when someone is going through life issues, it helps to forward understanding and the ability to cope.

[Undead Bonzi]

Perhaps smarter people are more likely to be unhappy with their life and need the escape offered by drugs? A dumb person digging ditches who makes enough to meet daily needs may be content where a smarter person stuck digging ditches may be unhappy with the position and need the escape that drugs offer.

My personal experience is that most dunk or high people consider themselves to be geniuses of the highest order while under the influence, while to sober people they seem like total retards.

[triadmidas]

Quiet the voices . . .

[Irreligiosity]

I feel like this is being way over analyzed.. I have an IQ of 151 (tested at 13), and I was dead set against drugs up until about 18. This was only because I was an ignorant 18 year old kid who believed all the non-sense perpetuated by society. I believed that the drugs benefits did not out-weigh the consequences.

My irreverent curiosity for the world lead me to read a thing or two about drugs. After I learned how absurd the drug hype was, and after I was well versed in the pros and cons of drugs I had no reason to not try them. Granted I was hesitant to try much at first but then it was apparent I had nothing to fret about.

I think the correlation being described in the article is merely a smart person is more likely to know or bother to learn about a drug than the uneducated person who gets their facts from Fox news and Jersey Shore.

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	Originally Posted by Doggzilla To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I never experienced this with any drug, my perception never changed, but my will to find solutions did. .

Have you ever played around with hallucinogens? More specifically DMT or I guess LSD? DMT with-out-a-doubt changed my perceptions on life.

DMT is a window of ascension into the dimension of the gods. The linearity of time comes crashing to a halt, and an eternity is lived by the most core part of your existence. All of your programmed mental processes, faulty and bias perceptions of the world disintegrate into nothing.

I'd like to point out I am utterly Atheist, and completely unspiritual, and I attribute everything I experienced solely to the drug.

That being said it is a very spiritual experience. You see a unfathomable collage of geometrical figures and machines, with mind numbingly vivid colors, and an overwhelmingly warm presence. My favorite trip on DMT I had shamanistic type music playing in the background and I felt as if I had a tribe of beings just overwhelming me with love and acceptance to the point of tears.

And while LSD has to a much lesser extent effected my perceptions it non-the-less has. After the first time I meditated on LSD I had some perceptions changed. I think it was probably the best I have ever felt sober was after 8hrs of meditation on LSD.

[Ray9]

	Originally Posted by Irreligiosity To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I feel like this is being way over analyzed.. I have an IQ of 151 (tested at 13)

Get tested again. It's much lower. I had one of those amazing nunbers when I was a teen as well. When I face-planted on my bicycle in 2008 I got a concussion and had an MRI. I also had headaches and significant hearing loss in one ear. I was given a battery of tests including an IQ test. The result was way lower than my teen score. It's still way on the right hand side of the bell curve but the psychologist told me that childhood scores never last. Take about a standard deviation off.

[lancelot]

,...........i don't doubt it.

[Zombicide]

I swear that if I could, I probably would get high as fuck after dealing with the idiocracy, a populace of subhumans that mauled me out of my fucking mind and who I had to witness pure idiocy from throughout every single day of my formative years. I have learned well that the general populace is not comprised of people but dumb animal things and I hate being sober, pass the morphine, my fiend. I can't relate to anyone, I'm an empath (temperament-wise) surrounded by savage beasts.

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	Originally Posted by Ray9 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I got a concussion and had an MRI. I also had headaches and significant hearing loss in one ear. I was given a battery of tests including an IQ test. The result was way lower than my teen score.

Aw, so that's where the racism comes from
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with consideration to
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not that I'm a liberal.

[9272]

	I actually laughed when I read the study. I suppose the authors/researchers could have also correlated a person's weight to high IQ as well. My point is this - sometimes correlation is not causal, it is bunk. Consider the source of the project's funding too.

I laughed when i read the study too. Crack? Heroin? Seriously?? I mean i can see how someone who earns more likes to blow their money on cocaine, but that doesn't tell us a damn thing other than rich people can waste their money easily. Using the same logic i can say "smart people are more likely to waste money"and maybe we'd have a pack of people claiming they spent 1500$ on mahogany sunglasses( I know someone who actually did this).

The most surprising part of this study is really that anyone is taking it seriously,causation/correlation fallacy for the laugh.

	A high IQ is defined as a score between 107 and 158.

LOL!!!! "A recent peer-reviewed study suggest that people who are overweight are far more likely to have had violent episodes as adults!......for the purposes of the experiment, overweight is anywhere from 105lbs to 280lbs."

[Chameleon]

My brother and I were equal in intelligence.
My brother died of heroin, did everything under the sun.
I am alive and have not touched hard drugs.
My brother was an ENTP.
I am an INTP.

[cyxws]

	Originally Posted by Irreligiosity To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	My irreverent curiosity for the world lead me to read a thing or two about drugs. After I learned how absurd the drug hype was, and after I was well versed in the pros and cons of drugs I had no reason to not try them. Granted I was hesitant to try much at first but then it was apparent I had nothing to fret about.

I think Irreligiosity hit the nail on the head here. I submit that any link between high IQ and drug use is a combination of 1) greater independence and disregard of society's norms and 2) an attitude of calculated risk taking after thoroughly researching pro's and con's of any risky action, including drug use.

[Jordano612]

I can see High IQ linked with drug use for sure. People who are really smart sometimes get bored of life, and they often have an adventurous and curious mind. It's as if life is too dull for their complex minds to handle. This is what I believe could lead to drug use.

[BruceLemur]

Yeah I don't know about the correlation either.

Still, back when drugs were legal, it's easy to find geniuses who used them. Samuel Taylor Coleridge and Sigmund Freud come to mind. I think Kubla Khan was written while high on opium.

[Vogon Poet]

Some seem to miss the correlation. If you have a high IQ as a child, you tend to do drugs as an adult. There's some serious post-hoc fallacies being bandied about. Most logically, since
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, these kids grow up without a natural coping mechanism, as well as possible emotional trauma, and thus turn to escapism.


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is also relevant. People who are comfortable in their own skin can cope without artificial dopamine rushes.

[Cacao]

Seeking new experience, learning new things, learning from ones experience is a trade mark of high IQ.....sooooo it follows that the combination of knowing too much about drugs and casually dismissing the importance of authority one can go a long way with drugs. The problem is mainly that once you realize that the scary shit they say about drugs is not even true you start being so skeptical at some point that you just have to see if it really true or not.

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[JoeFerg]

That's very interesting. I'm a bit surprised because none of my friends in high school have had drug problems. To test into the program I was in, we all took IQ tests in elementary/middle school. I tested at 152 and most of my friends were above 140. We all experimented a bit I guess, but nobody really abused anything, and none of them have developed drug or alcohol problems.

Personally, I value my intelligence so highly that I really didn't like when I tried weed. I hated the out of control feeling. The same applies to alcohol. I'll drink socially, but I always limit myself because I can't stand to feel out of control.

[Vogon Poet]

Originally Posted by JoeFerg To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

That's very interesting. I'm a bit surprised because none of my friends in high school have had drug problems. To test into the program I was in, we all took IQ tests in elementary/middle school. I tested at 152 and most of my friends were above 140. We all experimented a bit I guess, but nobody really abused anything, and none of them have developed drug or alcohol problems. Personally, I value my intelligence so highly that I really didn't like when I tried weed. I hated the out of control feeling. The same applies to alcohol. I'll drink socially, but I always limit myself because I can't stand to feel out of control.

It is most likely correlating to the social ineptitude prevalent in higher IQs rather than their intelligence. Some people just need a coping mechanism when they can't interface with people, and this is a common problem with exceptionally high IQ, but not with above average IQ.

[JoeFerg]

That makes sense. There is a definitely a tested correlation between high IQ and poor social skills.

[Doggzilla]

	Originally Posted by JoeFerg To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	That makes sense. There is a definitely a tested correlation between high IQ and poor social skills.

If only you consider social skills insulting ignorant people. How are intelligent people considered less social than people with loud music, obnoxious behavior, and only consume?

[Vogon Poet]

	Originally Posted by Doggzilla To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	If only you consider social skills insulting ignorant people. How are intelligent people considered less social than people with loud music, obnoxious behavior, and only consume?

False dilemma. There are other forms of antisocial behavior, as you have listed. Oddly enough, those peolpe you describe also tend toward drug use. That strengthens the argument that the drug use is correlated with social ineptitude rather than intelligence; exceptional IQ being only one of several possible causes.

[Doggzilla]

	Originally Posted by Vogon Poet To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	False dilemma. There are other forms of antisocial behavior, as you have listed. Oddly enough, those peolpe you describe also tend toward drug use. That strengthens the argument that the drug use is correlated with social ineptitude rather than intelligence; exceptional IQ being only one of several possible causes.

I could have used a better example. Why is it considered anti-social when the so called social people have no better luck? If they are so social, why are they constantly involved in drama, even though they state that the reason they have more "friends" is that they know how to act around other people. Its complete crap.
What is even more bizarre is that its socially acceptable to cause drama by being fake, but not to be yourself. I dont know ANYBODY who feels free to be themselves. They put up a facade and people accept the bullshit, but run from the real thing.

[Vogon Poet]

Originally Posted by Doggzilla To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I could have used a better example. Why is it considered anti-social when the so called social people have no better luck? If they are so social, why are they constantly involved in drama, even though they state that the reason they have more "friends" is that they know how to act around other people. Its complete crap. What is even more bizarre is that its socially acceptable to cause drama by being fake, but not to be yourself. I dont know ANYBODY who feels free to be themselves. They put up a facade and people accept the bullshit, but run from the real thing.

I'm sorry to hear that but I have a different anecdotal experience. My social group is church and other service organizations, and military professionals. Drama and judgemental behavior is pretty much taboo in my life or you're out. When I lived in South Florida it was a different story though. Could be just where you live; a cultural thing.