[Seriously]

May/December = 15 year old with 35 year old? Uumm no. That = creepy older person who has issues and shouldn't be around kids, especially not teaching them.

[plotthickens]

	Originally Posted by Seriously To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	May/December = 15 year old with 35 year old? Uumm no. That = creepy older person who has issues and shouldn't be around kids, especially not teaching them.

Urkh. Yes, while that's a little more 13th century than even I can stomach, what I was referring to was 20-somethings chickenhawking older teenagers. 3 or 4 year's difference... or less... isn't all that difficult to understand.

Abuse of authority is unforgiveable, but that's different.

[Polymath20]

	Originally Posted by plotthickens To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	It's been standard for adults to fuck adolescents for 99% of our history. I'm not saying it's right... but it should be kept in mind. Just because our society advocates Delayed Gratification via schooling & delayed sexuality does not make may-december relationships ALWAYS AND FOREVER EVIL OH MY GOD CALL THE POPO.

I agree with this completely however society today is different and part of the reason for that delayed gratification is because the cost of living is so damn high now, so it's more of a practical decision to abstain in the event of accidental babies. Also, religion has really bled into politics a lot.

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	Originally Posted by Polymath20 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I agree with this completely however society today is different and part of the reason for that delayed gratification is because the cost of living is so damn high now, so it's more of a practical decision to abstain in the event of accidental babies. Also, religion has really bled into politics a lot.

I disagree slightly; delayed gratification is seen as a route to prosperity for many reasons:

• High cost of living per child (as stated)
• High cost of raising a child
• Multiple children are no longer a plus in a family ledger, as was the case in hunter-gatherer/herding/agrarian societies
• The availability of schooling
• Lower maternal mortality rates
• Higher infant survival rates

and TADAAA! you get this enormous rigid divide between ACCEPTABLE and UNACCEPTABLE sexuality, which is not determined by maturity or situation but by a date. And that date is determined more by the above reasons than by morality or tradition or any other things... it's all about what other people think some people should be doing. Moral railroading by snooty totalitarians. Stupid but easily enforceable.

There's got to be a better way.

[Grimace]

	Originally Posted by Distance To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Anyone put into a position of authority over underagers and getting sexually involved with them, should be prosecuted to the maximum penalty that the law allows. Sick pedos.

Though we've evolved to be capable of reproducing much younger than 16. So though a 16 year old may not be, as society says, "Emotionally" ready for sex, the notion that biologically it is some disorder like pedophilia just means you are ill informed and/or an evangelical american. Actually the US in particular (compared the the global mean) is very militant about this. Anyone have theories about why this may be?

[scorpiomover]

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Though we've evolved to be capable of reproducing much younger than 16. So though a 16 year old may not be, as society says, "Emotionally" ready for sex, the notion that biologically it is some disorder like pedophilia just means you are ill informed and/or an evangelical american. Actually the US in particular (compared the the global mean) is very militant about this. Anyone have theories about why this may be?

Consequence of a severely increased societal value in protecting children from being unfairly treated like adults. In the Industrial Revolution, kids used to be seen as little more than economically productive units of work. Then Social Reformers started fighting for the rights of kids who were sent down mines for 14 hours a day in pitch blackness, to get better treatment. Then they fought for children to all get the option to be schooled and given a reasonable education, which in those days meant learning to read and write. Then that led on and on, to the present day, where many parents virtually smother their kids in cotton wool.

It used to be socially acceptable to have sex with a child, and many 13-year-old girls were prostitutes in Victorian England, and all over the West. But then people realised this was too far, and started to push things the other way. They continued to be pushed in that direction, until the situation became completely resolved. But things are rarely black-and-white, and so things were never going to completely resolve just by pushing for more and more protection for children. So people kept pushing for more and more protection for children, and still do, until at the moment, things have swung the other way. Now, many women tend to get positively livid at the mere suggestion of an older man having sex with anyone under 25, based on the premise that the brain cells are still growing until then, and that as a result, girls under 25 are too impressionable.

I would say that people are apt to say that physically, women's bodies can have sex at a very young age, but their physical brains are not ready for it, and that as a consequence, anyone who cares about the welfare of children, would condemn anyone who suggested that an adult male be allowed to have sex with a young woman or young girl.

From what I've observed, there are a lot of young women who know exactly what they are doing, and the ones who don't when they are young, still seem to be as clueless, when they are 40.

[Thinktress]

I was adding the final touches to a brilliant and subtle narrative when a false move with my mouse carried the entire page away. All was lost. So this post will be neither brilliant nor subtle. Sorry.

Before the lot of you drive me absolutely bananacakes, I would just like to clarify some terminology. Because these terms that you toss about DO mean something, and many of you are not using them appropriately.

First, for the record, the British English spelling is paedophile, while the American English version is pedophile. By either spelling, the term pedophile (I'm an American) is someone who has sexual behavior or fantasies centered around pre-pubescent children (12 and under). True pedophiles have HUGE victim counts, ranging in the hundreds, before they are even caught the first time.

So while you can debate whether a teacher who has sex with a fifteen year old is a sex offender, they do not fit into the category "pedophile."

So then you get into the question of, What is a sex offender? A sex offender is someone who has sexual contact with someone without their consent. In my state, nobody under the age of 16 can consent to having sex. After that, the statutory rape provision no longer covers. Technically, this should mean that those 16+ could consent to sex with whomever.

But, an adult having sex with a sixteen year old CAN be construed as interfering with parental custody if the d.a.'s office feels like playing it that way. And adulthood apparently doesn't begin until 19 here. They can also prosecute under contributing to the delinquency of a minor. If the individual is a minor, consent is still very murky legally.

But... you want to know what I think about it morally, right? First, I think that men do this far more often than women. And I think that the women who do it usually are mentally not all that well (just from the examples we've seen in the media). I do think that there is a double standard in society and that perhaps because of this, it's more damaging emotionally for women than it is for men (when this happens to them). It seems to be so, anyway.

Nonetheless, we can't have those responsible for our youth violating the trust of everyone involved (regardless of gender). They don't need to work with kids who are technically not yet adults if they can't control themselves. It's a professional thing. They can wait until our kids get into college to start poaching them off.

[JTG]

	Originally Posted by Thinktress To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	First, I think that men do this far more often than women. And I think that the women who do it usually are mentally not all that well (just from the examples we've seen in the media).

This is true i think, although the other side of the coin is that it's not at all uncommon for students to be "hot for teacher" as the song says, even if the teacher is only the slightest bit attractive.

I remember having the hots for my freshman year homeroom teacher, personally. She was the most beautiful thing i'd ever seen, until a few years later when i was flipping through my year book. Now, i can't see what the appeal was.

It's just a fascination for authority figures

(and well said on the rest of it, Thinktress)

[GreenElf]

	Originally Posted by Polymath20 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Male high school teachers have one of the highest rates of infidelity. As described by one psychology article they experience "immortal skin" - teenage girls year after year in the same state of youthfulness while their wives continue to age. I'll see if I can't find that article... EDIT: I may have also quoted the "immortal skin" thing incorrectly.

The high school jock who boinked most every girl in our class, years later, became the high school principal. Quoting Led Zeppelin: "... ooh, it makes me wonder"

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	Originally Posted by Zsych To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Its unfortunate that human thought hasn't really evolved very much over the centuries.

But it has. Older men with teenage females used to be rather ordinary.

[Huruma]

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To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Many of these seem to be cases of women with 16 year old guys, and a fair number of them are decent looking - hard to see these cases as tragic victimizations of the boys involved. Some are cases of the boys pursuing the women (some of these women are just very obviously stupid). There is one case where the older woman may herself have been the victim. Another interesting point seems to be that many of these are let out of jail years short of their sentences. ... and yes, if it were guys doing the same thing to younger girls, their fates would probably be really unfortunate. Whereas for some of these cases, I'm inclined to say that a young boy in a relationship with an older woman, probably finds it better for his own self-esteem To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

There may be practical reasons why teacher-student sex should be systematically discouraged, but I don't see anything inherently wrong with it. Most people have incredibly backwards ideas when it comes to sex and morality, in my opinion (or ethics in general).

[Moth]

Both student-teacher relationships and relationships with significant age gaps, when the younger party is particularly young, should be socially and systematically discouraged. The former because of potential abuse of organizational authority and the endangering of academic integrity, the latter because
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suggests that the dynamic is often as problematic in practice as it looks like it would be on paper.) This is true regardless of whether a man or a woman is the older party. Men typically
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, and boys who impregnate older women while underage are currently likely to be
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The "no big deal, being sexually approached by someone in a position of power over me would just be hot and totally harmless fun because I'm a man and we men love sex" attitude seems to be an unrealistic standpoint taken by people whose perspective is solely derived from personal fantasies with a low probability of ever being acted out. Life tip: just because it makes nice masturbation fodder does not mean it would be good for you in reality.


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