[e30sequel]

Ok, before we get overly concerned ...... We are talking about DILUTED hydrogen peroxide (3% with distilled water) based on food grade H2O2. I brought the topic up a while back and got a lot of negative feedback (ie do not use! for a variety of reasons) The main reason revolved around the pharmaceutical industry not wanting it to be circulated. The idea is that it super oxygenates blood and thus killing off a multitude of aneorobic friendly viruses (they claim that it cures some cancer AIDS etc etc). I am not really interested in heavy duty stuff - just simple uses like bathing in it, as a mouthwash, facewash etc.

I have used it for these purposes and it has done the following for me ....

1 my teeth are cleaner/whiter than most non smokers
2 bad breath be gone
3 when put in your ear (with droplets) it cleans out wax and when used at the first sign of infection, it clears up my colds etc
4 when ingested with a large cup of water first thing, it 'cleans' you out much the same way 'detox' medicine works (so I know that it is getting past my stomach acids in pretty potent form and cleaning out my 'tubing'). As well as replinishing the oxygen in the intestines, it also takes the non oxygen friendly guys with it.
5 it is cool when you bathe in it, you really do feel energized albeit very bleached body hair will result so keep you face out of it)

6 used with some mint/baking soda, it is the cheapest/MOST effective toothpaste I ever used!

So, despite the warnings that did not go unappreciated, this shit actually does work as a miracle cure, at least very effective for external use. And again, last time it created controversy when I implied it is actively ignored because the potential to make money from it is not there (CANNOT PATENT H2O2 as it is naturally occuring) AND if it is effective at curing, then depency on the maker of the product is not there (hence NO long term financial gain is to be had = NOT GOOD for business!!)

I feel more negative stuff coming my way based on what I last experienced BUT lets go anyway ..................

[Elena]

Hydrogen peroxide? Dude, I use 3-5% diluted in water on animal skulls, leave it over night and it helps strip the muscle from the bone. Rather you than me.

[Necrosis]

Any side effects during your usage?

[Chosen]

Where do you get that(every local pharmacy has it.. or only major ones?)? I'm up for cheap teeth whitening.

[e30sequel]

Burns but you get used to it - mouth feels especially clean and healthy after. I used to use rembrandt and now it comes with peroxide which is awesome. The other side effect is the energy level....its astounding - heavy throw up inducing when drinking though - make sure there is no food in your tummy. And prepare to go to the washroom when drinking diluted h2o2. Feels great after.

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You have to specifically get FOOD GRADE h2o2 - then dilute it with distilled water 11-1 - Not generally available unless you go to alternative/green health stores. The one available contains stuff that makes it suitable for healing cuts/wounds - external use only. Food grade is used in milk and many other 'daily' products. Please google this stuff and you will get some information on it and its many uses/history. Let me know what you think.

[Necrosis]

Can you explain why I would want to get used to something that burns me?

Are you sure this hasn't stripped off the enamel on your teeth?

[Kisai]

	Burns but you get used to it

That burning sensation is oxidation, as that lovely little extra oxygen molecule slips off the H2O2 and decides to strip 2 electrons from somewhere else, i.e. your mouth. The 'getting used to it' is scar tissue building up.

[mieu]

	Originally Posted by e30sequel To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	4 when ingested with a large cup of water first thing, it 'cleans' you out much the same way 'detox' medicine works (so I know that it is getting past my stomach acids in pretty potent form and cleaning out my 'tubing'). As well as replinishing the oxygen in the intestines, it also takes the non oxygen friendly guys with it.

How do you know it did this?

[Nonsuch]

I have a grandfather who uses hydrogen peroxide in ways similar to the OP and he swears by it.

He's been doing it since 'the war' and now he's about 90 years old.

So there might be something in what he says . . .


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[Latro]

If hydrogen peroxide is so wonderful for human health, why the hell does this exist, and why the hell is it so unfathomably efficient:

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If you decide not to click the link: this is an enzyme present in some form in almost all aerobic organisms which converts hydrogen peroxide to water and oxygen. It does so ridiculously quickly: the human one converts about 40,000,000 H2O2 molecules per enzyme molecule per second. Fairly fast enzymes typically have that number on the order of a few thousand, by comparison. Many enzymes have it on the order of 1 or 10.

More to the point: no, your hydrogen peroxide does not reach your intestines. Your catalase destroys it long before that. It probably destroys a large chunk of it before you even swallow.

In more general chem, less biochem terms: what Kisai said.

[eagleseven]

Now that I think about it, your intestines and mouth are *filled* with Catalase-positive bacteria which convert H2O2 to H2O and O2. Latro is right...reason why you aren't experience negative effects is because your bacteria are processing most of the H2O2 before it can burn your deeper tissues.

If I'm going to be regularly drinking diluted poison, I'd rather it be in the form of beer.

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	Burns but you get used to it - mouth feels especially clean and healthy after. I used to use rembrandt and now it comes with peroxide which is awesome. The other side effect is the energy level....its astounding - heavy throw up inducing when drinking though - make sure there is no food in your tummy. And prepare to go to the washroom when drinking diluted h2o2. Feels great after.

*correction* You are experience negative side effects...your body is expelling the H2O2 ASAP for a reason. It's toxic.

Perhaps you can try paint thinner next...it gives you the hurls and shits when you drink it, too. The pharmaceutical companies don't want people to know the secrets of paint thinner!

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P.S. Regular vomiting causes esophageal cancer. That's an in, not an out, tube.

[OwenF]

An old joke . . .

Two scientists walk into a bar. The first one says, "I'll have some H2O." The second one says, "I'll have some H2O, too." Then he dies.

[e30sequel]

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OK oK - this is where it all started for me and have since been researching and experimenting. There are many different uses for h2o2 and the only one I am concerned with is FOOD GRADE h2o2 - diluted with distilled water to 1-3% -

Is there anyone who has actually done any serious research on this??

All these comments seem to be knee jerk reactions without much background information (I would react this way as well .... for example if I was the technician that poured this into rocket fuel to help with ignition, I would react the same way .......the only thing is that there are VASTLY different grades/uses for hydrogen peroxide) I am not a scientist and would NOT like to challenge anyone here who is more knowledgeable than I am in the field .....please try to refrain from the typical intj "I will NOT process any new info until someone comes up with a better answer etc ....." reply about a topic you have not heard of before, as I am not the guy to effectively change your mind - this however should not render this information unworthy just because I am not a professional.
I have not experienced anything negative and much positive outcome from my experiences. I have not lost enamel - feel energized MINUS the placebo (if wanting to fuck for an extra hour or the sudden urge to go jogging is palcebo then i like placebo and would not mind giving up this quest altogether) every time I bathe in it and morning breath is eliminated with a simple gargle and brush (tooth paste = soap which like conventional mouth wash worsens breath = you need to use it more and more and....)
Elimination has resulted in the EXACT same outcome as conventional `detox`packages - just feels much healthier. Lastly, I have oily skin = zit problem and this completely works. Anyway, I swear by it just like the man from `the war` does.

[Latro]

"Food grade" is just purity: how much H2O2 you have and how much other stuff you have. Food grade presumably is a certain (presumably fairly high) degree of purity which avoids you having contamination with, for example, trace oxidized organic compounds present from manufacture.

H2O2 *itself* is acutely toxic and triggers rapid oxidation of sensitive tissues. Consequently the body as well as internal bacteria produce the enzyme catalase to be rid of it. It does this primarily because small quantities of it are produced in the body naturally due to what are essentially small imperfections in the mechanics of the electron transport chain, which cause oxygen to be improperly passed electrons. In the process oxygen gets reduced only to a -1 oxidation state instead of a -2 as it would be in the usual products CO2 and water, and links up with another oxygen to be slightly happier, before the two of them find somewhere to obtain the additional two electrons to get to their happy -2 state.

You are fortunate that you make catalase, because otherwise you would be dead. You would have been dead before you started drinking hydrogen peroxide, even: you would probably have died within only a few years if that.

You're right that detergent-heavy toothpaste is not the best bet. However not all commercial toothpastes have detergents in them. You can easily find simple fluoride toothpastes. Do not try to go down the path of rejecting fluoride toothpaste as effective oral care, overwhelming scientific evidence will beat you on that road.

[e30sequel]

Hi Latro and everyone else --- please look at and comment on the links promoting hydrogen peroxide and the many h202 clinics (and related ones like oxygen breathing etc) Let me please understand how these guys came to these conclusions and claims - I do admit that they kinda sound or look `underfunded` but what they are saying does make sense - but AGAIN I am not knowledgeable in this and would like the expertise of anyone who might understand it better -- please help me understand what these guys are saying is utter and absolute bullshit or not. Do not simply respond to what I am saying just look at the material and comment if possibe...thanks

[Vagrant]

e30sequel -- Consider what we've said here and before again.

1. Hydrogen peroxide has been known about for centuries. If it was a miracle drug, its use would be far more common in hospitals by now.
2. Hydrogen peroxide is highly toxic to any tissue -- thus why catalase exists, and is so damnably efficient.
3. That burning sensation? Yeah, it's oxidizing your tissue, effectively "burning" it. In acidic solutions, it's stronger at oxidation than potassium permanganate (toxic). It's 3rd only to ozone (toxic to humans) and elemental fluorine (death toxin from hell). Before it are chlorine dioxide (highly toxic) and elemental chlorine (again, highly toxic).
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[Sk8ordude]

Its a first aid antiseptic for minor skin abraisions including minor burns, and as an oral debriding agent this is why it is sold at every pharmacy Ive ever been to in the antiseptic section. It says on the bottle it can be used similar to a mouthwash 4 times a day for the oral debriding at 1.5%. It also says that if swallowed to contact a poison control center right away. Perhaps the other posters are thinking of the high strength one used for hair.

Extra oxygen for cells is healthy and theoretically can prevent cancers and promote longevity, however I dont thing H2O2 makes it that far. They do make supplements just for that purpose although they are a bit more expensive then $2 a bottle.

I think that just like other cheap "miracle" drugs that are without patents it would be made so that we are the last ones to know. Hospitals have a way of quacking any doctor who prescribes alternatives dangerous to the status quo, not that hydrogen peroxide is said thing, just that hospital politics arent a good indicator of its "miracle drug" status.

[Photolysis]

	The main reason revolved around the pharmaceutical industry not wanting it to be circulated.

Er no, what happened last time was a chemist (me), a biologist, and a bunch of medical literature that is not connected to the pharmaceutical industry told you why you were being fed bullshit.

I really felt a strong urge to facepalm myself here. I can just imagine you going "la-la-la-la I CAN'T HEAR YOU" when someone tells you something you don't like.

	e30sequel -- Consider what we've said here and before again.

For all the good that did, eh?

	last time it created controversy when I implied it is actively ignored because the potential to make money from it is not there

No, the controversy was from your huge ignorance of the industry and you completely ignoring the fact that NON-PATENTED DRUGS STILL MAKE LOTS OF MONEY and there would be huge interest in creating such a product if it worked.

	(CANNOT PATENT H2O2 as it is naturally occuring

So's water. Yet companies make a shitload by selling it.

Meh, I won't waste more of my time. I've already
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[druggie]

i'll laugh the day you end up with oral cancer :P hope you realize h2o2 is an reactive oxygen species that can generate some stuff that's even worse than itself, hydroxyl radicals for example.

[mllebrie]

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	That burning sensation is oxidation, as that lovely little extra oxygen molecule slips off the H2O2 and decides to strip 2 electrons from somewhere else, i.e. your mouth. The 'getting used to it' is scar tissue building up.

I thought it could be used for removing dead tissue, wouldn't that be kind of the opposite?

[Latro]

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	I thought it could be used for removing dead tissue, wouldn't that be kind of the opposite?

You kill the living tissue with oxidation, scar tissue forms to resist further attack, then subsequent attacks remove scar tissue, which is less painful because less nerves are present. That's a sketch of the idea anyway.

[mieu]

Darwinism at work, folks. Let nature take its course.

[e30sequel]

Wow - I think I will stop with the use of and discussion of this here topic - I think this scared the shite out of any reasoning I had to keep using it - thanks you for your efforts - I have decided to just stick with good old working out - thank you again for the insights>

[Dysphoriac]

I just skull tequila when I run out of mouth wash, and I heard that salt can be used instead of a toothbrush, a bit of Citric Acid to whiten the teeth and I am all set for clubbing.

[e30sequel]

Good stuff but do take the time to look at the sites I posted - see if you can find an answer based on what they are saying as opposed to attacking the test I conducted with success - I am interested in this as it made sense (mind you, it was not the kind of sense that is based on professional knowledge - just arming myself as well as possibel and trying it - again, it was successful for what I used it for)
and this is dead now as I no longer am interested in its pursuit as it does not seem to be supported anywhere or by anyone - but funny stuff nonetheless