[JustMel]

	Originally Posted by blackLieutenant To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	The intelligent designer has nothing to do with the Abrahamic gods. It doesn't intervene in our business. He just created the Universe, physical laws, intelligence and then he watches passively his creation evolve. Do not confuse deism and theism.

In other words you have no real logic or science or data to back up your misogyny so you fall back on right wing, conservative crap of some omniscient being who created the universe. Right, I have ocean front property to sell you in Arizona too.

[plotthickens]

Originally Posted by Iota Null To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

A millenium is a drop in the bucket in evolutionary terms. Anyway, I think nowt is saying that those who advocate male superiority on the basis of women needing to have babies need not worry, because evolution results in them selecting themselves out of the gene pool anyway and "traditional women" will become dominant within the gene pool. In other words, justification for a patriarchy on these grounds (as well as on pretty much any other) is untenable.

Or, if 'traditional women' who like to pop out babies every 11 months are fewer and fewer -- see the Amish and Mennonites of America -- those cults will die off. Typical for first-world progressions.
To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

[georgeb455]

I’ve seen many of these arguments over the years and the problem I have is the use of the word ‘threatened’, to me it implies the enjoyment of a mild aggression rather than a step in the right direction. If a man said to a woman “are you threatened by me?” or “I’m threatening you” I’m sure it would be considered inappropriate. To me the use of the word just shows how much further we need to go before we see equality.

The irony is that in an INTJ forum we all think that the world is run by extraverts (both women and men)…ooh perhaps extraverts earn more than I do and have a special glass ceiling that as an introvert I will never break through.

I know an extravert who was ‘threatened’ by my ability to say nothing for hours…actually he was just puzzled but ‘threatened’ makes it look like I somehow put him in his place..and gained a meaningful step towards equality between us..which I didn’t.

[blackLieutenant]

	Originally Posted by nowt To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Yeah; you've said. It's called breeding for a reason

We breed because we wanna fuck, that's it.

	Originally Posted by Rudy To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	How about a human being without empathy?

Empathy is good but not needed for a human being or a society.

	Societal pressure != ethical obligation.

Almost is.

	Nope; just evil to force them to.

I never that we'd have to force, but because feminists made them stop having kids, we have to tell women what is their goal here.

	I already told you that arguing from the ridiculous position of a natural intelligence is not a respectable intellectual thought. If you hope to have your opinions rise above the level of pure laugh-ability, leave intelligent design and natural intent out of it.

Women are naturally made to be mothers and to raise kids, if you prefer.

	Originally Posted by Iota Null To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Correct. Did you read what I said earlier about a posteriori truths? That by definition cannot be deduced using logic alone without further input? That includes the overwhelming majority of facts?

It's better to search for datas, but you don't always need it.

	Ah, thanks for the (most likely unintentional) correction here. The probability of a set of two children containing both sexes is 50%; I accidentally treated them as an ordered set and got 75%. Why is 50% an unacceptable success rate while 75% (the actual probability of three children containing both sexes) is treated as absolutely guaranteed in every case?

The three kids number is not only for the genders. Some women are sterile, don't have kids etc... Because of that 3 kids is better too.

	And feminism is the result of them failing. Next!

You should read the real history of feminism, it's not that at all.

	Your argument is nothing more than "women should serve men because God dictates that it is so", and should be presented accordingly.

I never said so. Women (and men) should serve humanity, and each gender has a role to make it happen.

	Originally Posted by plotthickens To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Oh. You're religious.

No, I'm a deist like I said, I don't believe in any sacred text, I don't go to any religious Church regularly. I would say I'm spiritual, not religious.

	Originally Posted by Iota Null To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Anyway, I think nowt is saying that those who advocate male superiority on the basis of women needing to have babies need not worry, because evolution results in them selecting themselves out of the gene pool anyway and "traditional women" will become dominant within the gene pool. In other words, justification for a patriarchy on these grounds (as well as on pretty much any other) is untenable.

Yeah, but it will become much much harder in this feminist era to find some.

	Originally Posted by JustMel To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	In other words you have no real logic or science or data to back up your misogyny so you fall back on right wing, conservative crap of some omniscient being who created the universe.

I'm not a "misogynist", in no way I "hate" women. I just think each gender has a role.

	Originally Posted by plotthickens To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Or, if 'traditional women' who like to pop out babies every 11 months are fewer and fewer -- see the Amish and Mennonites of America -- those cults will die off. Typical for first-world progressions. To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

You think men will go after boobless feminists than wanna stay childless and "independant" ?

[zergonipal]

BL! Welcome back. Thread hasn't been the same without you.

	Originally Posted by blackLieutenant To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	We breed because we wanna fuck, that's it.

I don't often find myself saying this, but you're right.

	Originally Posted by blackLieutenant To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Empathy is good but not needed for a human being or a society.

Aaand, wrong again. We have empathy for a reason, and we do need it. It helps us detect liars and cheats - as a species, we have a remarkable ability to remember and calculate debts and favours. It's one of our specialities, and one of those universals you find in all humans, everywhere. It helps society function, and it is very necessary. If it wasn't, the sociopaths would have outbred us long ago.

[nowt]

That's the shallow reason why that stupid people use. I explained the deeper reason why that smarter people understand, in addition to using the same reason stupid people use. Stupid people do it because it's fun. Smarter people do it because it's fun and the traits that cause the emergent qualities such as society and gender roles are bred for. You really need to pay attention. We fuck because of Nature and ID and there is nothing outside these systems, including Feminism which helps the system--

You should just accept it by now. It's all logical and true.

	Originally Posted by blackLieutenant To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	We breed because we wanna fuck, that's it.

[plotthickens]

	Originally Posted by blackLieutenant To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	You think men will go after boobless feminists than wanna stay childless and "independant" ?

Hi! *waves at you* I'm PT, childfree, independant, with massive boobs (sorry), and very happily married. Guess what? I'm not unique!



To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.



To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.



To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.



To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

[blackLieutenant]

	Originally Posted by zergonipal To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	BL! Welcome back. Thread hasn't been the same without you.

I know
To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

	If it wasn't, the sociopaths would have outbred us long ago.

Sociopaths are already the elite. Now empathy is good to leverage that a bit.

Originally Posted by nowt To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

That's the shallow reason why that stupid people use. I explained the deeper reason why that smarter people understand, in addition to using the same reason stupid people use. Stupid people do it because it's fun. Smarter people do it because it's fun and the traits that cause the emergent qualities such as society and gender roles are bred for. You really need to pay attention. We fuck because of Nature and ID and there is nothing outside these systems, including Feminism which helps the system-- You should just accept it by now. It's all logical and true.

Even smart people do it because they're horny. Only Nazis and eugenists think of doing it to make a new better race lead the Earth.

	Originally Posted by plotthickens To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	with massive boobs (sorry),

Who knows if this is true ?

	Guess what? I'm not unique!

Thank God, all women will not do your choice, otherwise it would be the end of humanity.

[JustMel]

I fuck because I enjoy it and it's pleasurable. I can't get pregnant so there's no biological necessity for me to fuck if the sole purpose of it is to procreate.

Face it, there is no need for every woman to have children. There's not even a need for most people to have children. There are enough unwanted children in the world.

[nowt]

What did I say I about smart people? They're horny because of Nature, which means Natural Selection. Are you really not understanding this? You are at the mercy of your genes. You are a genetic creature. Gender roles make the formation of society easier. Society makes it easier to procreate. Feminism, as I've previously explained, helps gender roles. Only an idiot thinks otherwise--

It's just logical and intelligent.

	Originally Posted by blackLieutenant To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Even smart people do it because they're horny. Only Nazis and eugenists think of doing it to make a new better race lead the Earth.

[zergonipal]

This is true. We have many problems as a species, but trouble maintaining our numbers is not one of them. We're exceptionally resourceful and adaptable. And though plenty of women are choosing to have fewer or no children, there are still people like the Duggars in the world, who've had about six families' worth of children by themselves. Don't worry, BL.

[blackLieutenant]

	Originally Posted by JustMel To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I fuck because I enjoy it and it's pleasurable. I can't get pregnant so there's no biological necessity for me to fuck if the sole purpose of it is to procreate.

I thought you already had kids ? Your duty is done already.

	Face it, there is no need for every woman to have children.

Actually, we need a certain number of viable women to do it.

	There are enough unwanted children in the world.

Why are you saying that ? Wanted or not, we need children to walk the Earth once you and I will be dead.

Originally Posted by nowt To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

What did I say I about smart people? They're horny because of Nature, which means Natural Selection. Are you really not understanding this? You are at the mercy of your genes. You are a genetic creature. Gender roles make the formation of society easier. Society makes it easier to procreate. Feminism, as I've previously explained, helps gender roles. Only an idiot thinks otherwise-- It's just logical and intelligent.

Feminism brainwashes young women (with good genes) that would like to be in gender roles and it turns them away from gender roles. Feminism is not helping me. And if feminism brainwashes too much women, society's future is unsure.

	Originally Posted by zergonipal To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	This is true. We have many problems as a species, but trouble maintaining our numbers is not one of them. We're exceptionally resourceful and adaptable. And though plenty of women are choosing to have fewer or no children, there are still people like the Duggars in the world, who've had about six families' worth of children by themselves. Don't worry, BL.

I'm worried for Westerners, I know the world will still fuck, and that gender roles are still a norm is most parts of the world. But I'm worried for the western world and the childless white women.

[JustMel]

I think that "childless white women" is the most asinine comment/idea yet. Not to mention racist.

My duty? My duty was not to have children. My having children was a choice. I have never been a stay at home mother or followed traditional gender roles. None of my children follow traditional gender roles because we teach them to use their strengths and do what makes them happy not what others say they should do.

[nowt]

Those weak-willed weak-gendered women have bad genes. Strong genedered women aren't brainwashed. This has already been explained to you. More than once. You don't understand Natural Selection, geneder roles, Feminism, Intelligent Design, society, evolutionary psychology, logic or intelligence. You keep saying wrong things. Everything I say is obviously logical and true--

You should stop making the same mistakes over and over. It is not good for your genes.

	Originally Posted by blackLieutenant To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Feminism brainwashes young women (with good genes) that would like to be in gender roles and it turns them away from gender roles. Feminism is not helping me. And if feminism brainwashes too much women, society's future is unsure.

[zergonipal]

	Originally Posted by blackLieutenant To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I thought you already had kids ? Your duty is done already.

Sometimes I can't believe you're actually real, BL.

	Originally Posted by blackLieutenant To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I'm worried for Westerners, I know the world will still fuck, and that gender roles are still a norm is most parts of the world. But I'm worried for the western world and the childless white women.

The western world as we know it won't last forever. No civilisation does. That's not a tragedy, it's just how things are. And I don't think a race has ever gone 'extinct' through voluntary low birthrates, and that's not going to change now. There are so many serious problems in the world to be worried about, BL, why do you focus on this vanishingly unlikely improbability?

[Peterviera]

I'm not scared of equal rights for women, i am scared about how women currently are not handling their rights properly, and also scared of how men are not acting correctly in society. People choose to swear in public, and when men choose to do this in front of women they are not gentlemen and lose all chivalry. When women choose to swear in front of people they lose any chance of me thinking they are lady's, but are instead street trash. It is the same when i see them walking around in miniskirts, and booty shorts. I do not find them attractive, i do not find them sexy. I think women who wear long shirts, and long dresses are beautiful. Not the ones who dress revealing. Women choose to degrade themselves by dressing revealing.

You may disagree, but when a man sees a woman barely dressed, is he really going to care if he has a conversation with you, or care about knowing you intellectually? No he is going to think about getting in you're pants, and having sex with you.

[zergonipal]

Hello Peterviera. Have you met blackLieutenant yet? The two of you should get along well. Welcome to the thread.

[JustMel]

Originally Posted by Peterviera To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I'm not scared of equal rights for women, i am scared about how women currently are not handling their rights properly, and also scared of how men are not acting correctly in society. People choose to swear in public, and when men choose to do this in front of women they are not gentlemen and lose all chivalry. When women choose to swear in front of people they lose any chance of me thinking they are lady's, but are instead street trash. It is the same when i see them walking around in miniskirts, and booty shorts. I do not find them attractive, i do not find them sexy. I think women who wear long shirts, and long dresses are beautiful. Not the ones who dress revealing. Women choose to degrade themselves by dressing revealing. You may disagree, but when a man sees a woman barely dressed, is he really going to care if he has a conversation with you, or care about knowing you intellectually? No he is going to think about getting in you're pants, and having sex with you.

And long dresses take away any chance of a woman being seen as a sex object...
To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


Men who assume women are trashy because of the way they dress are the ones who degrade women.

[zergonipal]

	Originally Posted by JustMel To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	And long dresses take away any chance of a woman being seen as a sex object... To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Men who assume women are trashy because of the way they dress are the ones who degrade women.

It's all bound up in the implicit assumption that a woman, by virtue of her desirability, is responsible for the fact that the men who look at her desire her. Instead of the man being responsible for his own feelings and reactions. You would think, with men assuming they have the right to control everyone and everything, that they would try controlling their own libidos, too.

[Peterviera]

	Originally Posted by JustMel To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	And long dresses take away any chance of a woman being seen as a sex object... To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Men who assume women are trashy because of the way they dress are the ones who degrade women.

You get two different type of people interested in women.

When men see a woman dressed in booty shorts or a miniskirt or in reveling clothing. The first type of man says damn she is hot! Or she has a sexy body! All the thoughts will be sexual.

When i see a woman dressed in a long skirt, and a long sleeved shirt. I think to myself if she would make a good wife. I wonder if she has the same common goals, and dreams as me, and if she is a kind of person who would just want to talk for hours, and be romantic.

So as you can see there is two MAJOR differences in how women present themselves when they dress. Nor would i give a woman who dresses in revealing clothing a minute of my time. They would just end up wasting my time.

[blackLieutenant]

	Originally Posted by JustMel To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I think that "childless white women" is the most asinine comment/idea yet. Not to mention racist.

White women don't have enough kids, and are easily influenced by feminism in the western world.

	My duty? My duty was not to have children. My having children was a choice. I have never been a stay at home mother or followed traditional gender roles. None of my children follow traditional gender roles because we teach them to use their strengths and do what makes them happy not what others say they should do.

Choice, Duty etc... Use the words you want. You have kids, and hopefully they have a decent education and morals. It's all what matters.

Originally Posted by nowt To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Those weak-willed weak-gendered women have bad genes. Strong genedered women aren't brainwashed. This has already been explained to you. More than once. You don't understand Natural Selection, geneder roles, Feminism, Intelligent Design, society, evolutionary psychology, logic or intelligence. You keep saying wrong things. Everything I say is obviously logical and true-- You should stop making the same mistakes over and over. It is not good for your genes.

You should stop being obsessed with genes.

	Originally Posted by zergonipal To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Sometimes I can't believe you're actually real, BL.

Yes, flesh and bones.

	The western world as we know it won't last forever. No civilisation does. That's not a tragedy, it's just how things are.

A culture is kept, it doesnt change or disappear on its own.

	And I don't think a race has ever gone 'extinct' through voluntary low birthrates,

I'm pretty sure it already existed.

	There are so many serious problems in the world to be worried about, BL,

You think low fertility rate, the feminization of society etc... is not serious ? It's a big deal.

	Originally Posted by Peterviera To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	When women choose to swear in front of people they lose any chance of me thinking they are lady's, but are instead street trash.

Very true.

	Women choose to degrade themselves by dressing revealing.

Women choosing to dress like sluts to attract men attention is sad. Women being feminine (nice, sweet, empathetic, submissive etc...) will attract me 100 more times that a hooker-like woman in high heels.

[JustMel]

I don't wear dresses or skirts more than twice a year. Sometimes you actually get men who are interested in a woman who are man enough to control their desires, despite her mode of dress, and look to the woman she is not the clothes she wears.

If you are judging a woman solely on what she wears then that says more about you than the women. If the way a woman dresses tells you if she might be good marriage material I think you have your priorities screwed up. But then I suspect we're from widely different backgrounds which accounts for a lot of the things we aren't likely to agree on.

[Peterviera]

Originally Posted by blackLieutenant To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

White women don't have enough kids, and are easily influenced by feminism in the western world. Choice, Duty etc... Use the words you want. You have kids, and hopefully they have a decent education and morals. It's all what matters. You should stop being obsessed with genes. Yes, flesh and bones. A culture is kept, it doesnt change or disappear on its own. I'm pretty sure it already existed. You think low fertility rate, the feminization of society etc... is not serious ? It's a big deal. Very true. Women choosing to dress like sluts to attract men attention is sad. Women being feminine (nice, sweet, empathetic, submissive etc...) will attract me 100 more times that a hooker-like woman in high heels.

I agree with you 100% on everything.

[zergonipal]

	Originally Posted by Peterviera To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	So as you can see there is two MAJOR differences in how women present themselves when they dress.

One wonders - where did women get the idea that they have to display their bodies to get any form of positive attention from men? That's why they do it. For every woman dressed in revealing clothing, there is a man who will give her attention because of it. Considering that our gender is regularly derided as being 'too emotional' and excessively demanding of commitment before we will 'put out', it seems logical to assume that this demand is not coming from us.

[Peterviera]

Originally Posted by JustMel To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I don't wear dresses or skirts more than twice a year. Sometimes you actually get men who are interested in a woman who are man enough to control their desires, despite her mode of dress, and look to the woman she is not the clothes she wears. If you are judging a woman solely on what she wears then that says more about you than the women. If the way a woman dresses tells you if she might be good marriage material I think you have your priorities screwed up. But then I suspect we're from widely different backgrounds which accounts for a lot of the things we aren't likely to agree on.

If a woman is in tight jeans, showing off a thong, and have guys crawling all over her. Do you really think she is going to make good wife material? No...infact hell no. Noooooooooooooo she wont.

---------- Post added 10-05-2011 at 06:36 PM ----------

Originally Posted by zergonipal To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

One wonders - where did women get the idea that they have to display their bodies to get any form of positive attention from men? That's why they do it. For every woman dressed in revealing clothing, there is a man who will give her attention because of it. Considering that our gender is regularly derided as being 'too emotional' and excessively demanding of commitment before we will 'put out', it seems logical to assume that this demand is not coming from us.

Yes that is right, they did learn how to dress that way by men who chose to degrade women, and have made it so women think it is fine to dress degrading. They find nothing wrong with it, and they all feel like all men should be looking at them. I can find nothing more unattractive then a woman just dressing to impress men when she goes out into public, or just so all the men will look at her and she could get a few minutes worth of attention.

But as you see i am 100% the exact opposite, i do not smoke, i do not drink, i have never tried a drug in my life, i put family above all, i believe in tradition, and honor. I believe that women should wear long sleeve shirts, and long dresses or pants. To cover up as much as their body as they can so men who can not control their thoughts, and constantly just want to use women as a sexual object avoid them. Also so they do not attract attention to themselves. For a woman to dress that way, where she dresses to not impress men. Where she dresses so men wont look at her lustfully says more then a woman dressing to impress men so they look at her.