[SteamViking]

I'm curious about everyone's opinion regarding the upcoming election...


Just a few questions I thought of, feel free to respond with whatever is on your mind about the election, I'm really just curious.

Do you have a favorite candidate and who are they?
Are you planning on voting Republican, Democrat, or other?
Has anyone signed up for a candidate's newsletter/donated to a candidate?
Are there any policies you are hoping the candidates address?
Do you plan on supporting your candidate (or party candidate) with your time by attending rallies, holding signs in public places, passing out fliers etc?

[stasis]

I'll vote for Obama as an expression of open hatred for the tea party.

[Einarr]

I would rather vote for Pat Paulsen, then re-elect the current idiot.

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[MusicalINTJ]

I will vote for a candidate that strongly endorses any of the following:

anarcho-capitalism, political nihilism, strong libertarianism

I voted for Ron Paul last time. I still like the guy, but I have zero optimism about the country so I probably won't vote for the guy. I'd rather vote for a weirdo like Donald Trump or something.

I may just write-in my dad.

I honestly haven't considered any local elections. Hopefully I'll fulfill my civic duty and try to make decision.

[Caedus]

Not really sure who I'll end up voting for this time. As much as I despise the politics of the Tea Party, I don't really like a lot of the President's policies either. I was pretty foolish and idealistic when I voted for him the first time, so I want to weight my options before I do that again.


I would highly recommend that you all take a look at
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. It's an organization that wants to use the internet to allow voters more direct influence over who gets on the final ticket, with out political parties and special interest groups. Not sure how successful it will be, but hopefully it brings the two parties towards more rational positions.

[Einarr]

To be perfectly honest about it, the American people DO NOT elect the president. The popular vote does not count for shite. The US is a democratic REPUBLIC, not a democracy. The Electoral college elects the president.

[stasis]

	Originally Posted by Einarr To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	The Electoral college elects the president.

Members of the electoral college tend to follow the in-state popular vote.

[LaoTzu]

	Originally Posted by Einarr To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	The Electoral college elects the president.

And if not them, The Supreme Court.


Similar to 2008, there are no candidates on the Right who have anything worth voting for.
If you think the economy would have been better off with McCain; you're fooling yourself.

[MusicalINTJ]

	Originally Posted by Einarr To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	To be perfectly honest about it, the American people DO NOT elect the president. The popular vote does not count for shite. The US is a democratic REPUBLIC, not a democracy. The Electoral college elects the president.

I bet most people on this site already knew that. (well at least in greater proportions than the general population.)

[Malkavia]

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I would highly recommend that you all take a look at To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. . It's an organization that wants to use the internet to allow voters more direct influence over who gets on the final ticket, with out political parties and special interest groups. Not sure how successful it will be, but hopefully it brings the two parties towards more rational positions.

Ive seen this popping up as well.

I haven't signed up but I am definitely keeping my eye on it. Looks really interesting.

Just another example of how internet and networking is changing how things work.

[Einarr]

	Originally Posted by stasis To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Members of the electoral college tend to follow to the in-state popular vote.

If I can locate the source material again I will post it, but I remember correctly, the popular vote and the electoral vote only coincide about 30% of the time. I could be in err and I will look for the source material.

	Originally Posted by LaoTzu To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	And if not them, The Supreme Court. Similar to 2008, there are no candidates on the Right who have anything worth voting for. If you think the economy would have been better off with McCain; you're fooling yourself.

The only thing that will fix the economy, is to get Wall Street and Capitol Hill out of the equation and let the economy ACTUALLY be a free market economy

[stasis]

	Originally Posted by LaoTzu To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	If you think the economy would have been better off with McCain; you're fooling yourself.

Probably not. But McCain isn't a nigger, you see. The tea party wants to reclaim their country from the foreigner currently in office.

	Originally Posted by Einarr To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	If I can locate the source material again I will post it, but I remember correctly, the popular vote and the electoral vote only coincide about 30% of the time. I could be in err and I will look for the source material.

The national popular vote is distinct from the in-state popular vote. The electoral college tends to follow the latter. Presidential candidates win states. Were this not the case, cities would elect every president.

[MusicalINTJ]

	Originally Posted by stasis To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Probably not. But McCain isn't a nigger, you see. The tea party wants to reclaim their country from the foreigner currently in office. The national popular vote is distinct from the in-state popular vote. The electoral college tends to follow the latter. Candidates win states.

If you want to keep discussing race, serious economic issues cannot be addressed.

Fuck Obama. Fuck McCain. Fuck liberals. Fuck conservatives. Fuck tea party. Fuck Republicrats.

Just be objective. Tea party is merely a neutered segment of the populations thriving on fumes of nostalgia. Why fret about them?

The real issue is this: Keynesianism vs. Free-Market

[stasis]

	Originally Posted by MusicalINTJ To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	race

This is the tea party's sole point of order. We can (and probably should) distinguish the tea party from the republican party, despite its parasitic attachment.

[themuzicman]

	Originally Posted by SteamViking To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Do you have a favorite candidate and who are they?

Not sure if Newt is running.

	Are you planning on voting Republican, Democrat, or other?

Not sure that I am voting. Probably wind up holding my nose and voting against Obama.

	Has anyone signed up for a candidate's newsletter/donated to a candidate?

Nothing new. I think I get a couple of emails from the 2008 primaries.

	Are there any policies you are hoping the candidates address?

Eliminate deficits. Balanced budget admendment. Social Security reform. Medicare reform. Repeal Obamacare. Real health INSURANCE reform.

	Do you plan on supporting your candidate (or party candidate) with your time by attending rallies, holding signs in public places, passing out fliers etc?

No.

[MusicalINTJ]

	Originally Posted by stasis To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	This is the tea party's sole point of order. We can (and probably should) distinguish the tea party from the republican party, despite its parasitic attachment.

I only think that is one segment of the tea party. Others are just conservative-ish types who feel that they are actually getting their voices heard. I think this a generally ignorant, easily led segment of the population, but not necessarily racist.

Labeling all tea party people "racist" is not much more enlightened than racism itself.

[Einarr]

I could not find the specific source article I was thinking of, but I did find a site that lists all of the presidential elections and their numbers of electoral votes and the popular votes.

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[stasis]

	Originally Posted by MusicalINTJ To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Labeling all tea party people "racist" is not much more enlightened than racism itself.

Ridiculous. A spade is a spade. I am not labeling individuals in the party, but characterizing the party as a movement. Their refusal to eject
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from their midst announces much. The extra-political fixation upon Obama's person is not something I've seen from a mainstream political party in my lifetime.

1. racism
2. christian theocracy

They call themselves republicans and conservatives but it seems to me that they are neither.

[SteamViking]

	Originally Posted by MusicalINTJ To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I only think that is one segment of the tea party. Others are just conservative-ish types who feel that they are actually getting their voices heard. I think this a generally ignorant, easily led segment of the population, but not necessarily racist. Labeling all tea party people "racist" is not much more enlightened than racism itself.

^ This.

(Non Sequitur) As a conservative, I especially dislike the tea party because we often get lumped together with those idiots. Many people do not understand the political differences between Republicans, Libertarians, and Tea-Party Patriots.

[themuzicman]

Originally Posted by stasis To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Ridiculous. A spade is a spade. I am not labeling individuals in the party, but characterizing the party as a movement. Their refusal to eject To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. from their midst announces much. The extra-political fixation upon Obama's person is not something I've seen from a mainstream political party in my lifetime. 1. racism 2. christian theocracy They call themselves republicans and conservatives but it seems to me that they are neither.

Then you are what you claim they are, probably out of ignorance and emotional reaction.

[stasis]

	Originally Posted by themuzicman To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Then

Non sequitur. But I do hate racists. Especially quasi-treasonous, theocratic racists that make it impossible to have an effective conservative party by parasitically injecting themselves into the republican bin.

[Caedus]

	Originally Posted by SteamViking To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	^ This. As a conservative, I especially dislike the tea party because we often get lumped together with those idiots. Many people do not understand the political differences between Republicans, Libertarians, and Tea-Party Patriots.

Would you mind providing short distinctions between the three for the purpose of discussion?
Also, are you concerned about the growing influence of the Tea-Party Patriots in the GOP, Congress and presidential candidates?

It seems like the TPP completely overshadowed the Libertarians involved in the original concept of the Tea-Party and the current infighting in the GOP is the result of them trying to do that with republicans at large. If Obama wasn't vulnerable this could be a greater problem, but what's your opinion of the current field for GOP candidates?

[Certain]

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I would highly recommend that you all take a look at To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. . It's an organization that wants to use the internet to allow voters more direct influence over who gets on the final ticket, with out political parties and special interest groups. Not sure how successful it will be, but hopefully it brings the two parties towards more rational positions.

	Originally Posted by Malkavia To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Ive seen this popping up as well. I haven't signed up but I am definitely keeping my eye on it. Looks really interesting. Just another example of how internet and networking is changing how things work.

I've looked into this a little, but the lack of transparency is bothersome to me. There's some news online about some of the people involved in it, such as
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. All in all, at this point, I don't trust it not to hand over our country to the Tea Party lunatics.

I'll be voting against all candidates who believe we have a debt crisis rather than an employment crisis.

[Einarr]

Last time I checked, we had freedom of speech in this country. Even if idiots are allowed to talk.

I am not a racist, nor do I agree with the BS. But I do think that they have a right to say it, even if I dont agree with it..

[stasis]

	Originally Posted by Einarr To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	But I do think that they have a right to say it, even if I dont agree with it..

Sure they do. Nevertheless, it is imperative that they do not rule. A handful of their freshmen have already managed to display the destructive quality of that faithful nihilism. Fuck the racist, theocratic tea party. They are not conservatives. These people are poisoning the legitimate republican platform.