[Autumnleaf]

That was actually a new idea to me over the last few years. I sort of took for granted that I was right and other people just didn't understand. But after coming here I see that even smart people have different ideas about things and my ideas are often not the best out there, sometimes not even close.

[AngryGroceries]

Some people never figure that out, congratulations.

[ManWithNoName]

For some things there is objective truth, but pertaining as to how someone should live their life I think a lot of it is subjective. In the end the we can only either deal with or ignore the consequences of our actions.

[MasterM1nd]

People might not understand me, but if i cant understand them, why would my opinion be better? And its probably my own fault that i cant explain myself properly to the other people... As if they don't understand it, its my fault that i couldn't tell it in a way they can understand...
My way isn't the best, but until shown a better way ill just follow mine...

[Percussive]

That's one reason I tend to read threads and leave them without even replying to them. I would rather absorb the information and base my own opinions on what I already know, and then on what I hear from others.

I know I won't always be right, because a lot of people have differing opinions, but if we all have that "I'm right" thought process... somebody's got to be wrong.

Many people say they know that, but they don't apply that knowledge, and continue on thinking they can't possibly be wrong.

So I think it takes some wisdom and maturity to fully realize that.

[Dion]

I hate when I am wrong and right at the same time...

[TheStranger]

Perhaps I am biased because of my own cognitive pattern, but I wish others would employ this line of thinking. Betrand Russel said it best (although I've read the quote typed out a few different ways): "The problem with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt."

Unfortunately, confidence (or at least projected confidence) and good verbal skills can convince the general populous that you are very intelligent. This will help build the confidence of those that seem intelligent but aren't.

I think the world would be a far better place if everyone in the world considered themselves retarded, at least on some level. This all, of course, could be wrong, but I'm sick and tired of attempting to justify my own statements to myself. Simply put, everyone I've met has at least one mental ability/knowledge level that is roughly hewn, or barely hewn at all.

[Dion]

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Perhaps I am biased because of my own cognitive pattern, but I wish others would employ this line of thinking. Betrand Russel said it best (although I've read the quote typed out a few different ways): "The problem with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." Unfortunately, confidence (or at least projected confidence) and good verbal skills can convince the general populous that you are very intelligent. This will help build the confidence of those that seem intelligent but aren't. I think the world would be a far better place if everyone in the world considered themselves retarded, at least on some level. This all, of course, could be wrong, but I'm sick and tired of attempting to justify my own statements to myself. Simply put, everyone I've met has at least one mental ability/knowledge level that is roughly hewn, or barely hewn at all.

Leave perfection to the gods.. i reject your statement because you are describing a Da Vinci in the dark... Simply put, I think the world would be a far better place if everyone in the world considered themselves amazing, magical, and precious...

[TheStranger]

I suppose that is where we differ. The only things I see springing from the well of arrogance is tyranny, and a predatory ability.

No wonder I'm scared to death of people, their arrogance (or rather their justification of it), makes them fierce predators. The social guise many wear merely makes this a hunt during a masquerade banquet. Oh well, to each their own.

[Dion]

I fight tyranny on a daily basis... If you are referring to me as a predator, you are correct... I fight like a warrior for those who you describe as inferior... You mistake my courage and loyalty for arrogance. You are perhaps scared of what you do not understand.

[TheStranger]

Last post about this. Everybody is inferior in their own way, I am inferior. I'm referring to anyone that would step on anyone else and then employ their arrogant ideation of themselves to justify their behavior.

You're right, I don't completely understand people, I don't need to. I see the harm they cause towards others everyday. Certain personality traits are responsible. Of course, humility is touted as a virtue for a reason.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions, but it is stained with blood, and the apathy of confident warriors, so assured their course of action was wisest above all, is remarkable. It's a never ending battle. Anyway, enjoy the "last word" so to speak.

[Odie]

High IQ just gives the capacity for accuracy, not the certainty. The greater the IQ, the greater the propensity of self deception, in my experience.

[Chameleon]

OP- This is wise.

Ideas are not set, they are of infinite possibility.

[Zethariel]

Admitting the possibility that my judgement is wrong is exciting -- alas, apart from this forum and maybe the few NT relatives I have, I can hardly find anyone who would contest my reasoning in a way other than "god intended it that way" (or similar) -- with all due respect to believers.

So in other words, I wish I could be wrong more, to encourage personal growth. There is no evolution if you are correct 100% of the time.

[Tequila]

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	... its probably my own fault that i cant explain myself properly to the other people... As if they don't understand it, its my fault that i couldn't tell it in a way they can understand...

Precisely the point. So, I try rephase myself. Doesn't work. Rephase again. Still doesn't work. Then before I can rephase the third time... they all ran away cause I am beginning to sound longwinded.
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[Purgatid]

A stance towards finding the truth is usually better than a stance to be right.

[Tocsin]

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	"The problem with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt."

If you haven't already read about it, you might find something of interest in what is called the
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The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which unskilled people make poor decisions and reach erroneous conclusions, but their incompetence denies them the metacognitive ability to recognize their mistakes. The unskilled therefore suffer from illusory superiority, rating their ability as above average, much higher than it actually is, while the highly skilled underrate their own abilities, suffering from illusory inferiority. Actual competence may weaken self-confidence, as competent individuals may falsely assume that others have an equivalent understanding. As Kruger and Dunning conclude, "the miscalibration of the incompetent stems from an error about the self, whereas the miscalibration of the highly competent stems from an error about others"

[TheStranger]

I've read it, very interesting effect. And to my knowledge (without looking at the link) this was studied over a wide group of skills which makes it more validating, from my perspective.

[Haumea]

	High IQ just gives the capacity for accuracy, not the certainty. The greater the IQ, the greater the propensity of self deception, in my experience.

That's an excellent point. One of the pitfalls of a high IQ can be this phenomenon of "conning yourself" - forming a complex rationalization chain to avoid responding to real-world feedback. Average IQ people seem to be less susceptible to this.

[TheStranger]

	That's an excellent point. One of the pitfalls of a high IQ can be this phenomenon of "conning yourself" - forming a complex rationalization chain to avoid responding to real-world feedback. Average IQ people seem to be less susceptible to this.

Of course, and this can take the form of Ego-dystonic, or Ego-syntonic states of mind.

[stasis]

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	A stance towards finding the truth is usually better than a stance to be right.

A conceit of the western enlightenment has been that two competent individuals will tend to independently arrive at similar conclusions through the use of reason, such that collaboration over reason rather than identity is something that hastens the discovery of truth. Due to the way the brain seems to work, however, even this is not really the case unless the truth in question is entirely external and conveniently described by mutually familiar ideas. So it really depends upon what the subject is.

[Autumnleaf]

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A conceit of the western enlightenment has been that two competent individuals will tend to independently arrive at similar conclusions through the use of reason, such that collaboration over reason rather than identity is something that hastens the discovery of truth. Due to the way the brain seems to work, however, even this is not really the case unless the truth in question is entirely external and conveniently described by mutually familiar ideas. So it really depends upon what the subject is.

Especially if one of them is INTJ. We come up with some odd novel solutions to difficult situations that other people often have trouble understanding.

[MissMeg]

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	Especially if one of them is INTJ. We come up with some odd novel solutions to difficult situations that other people often have trouble understanding.

This happens to me quite a lot. People around me will be confused/have a problem about something, I'll glance at it and say 'why don't you try XYZ?' and they'll look at me like I'm a wizard. I thought the solution was quite simple but it was just outside their box/way of looking at things.

[White Blossom]

Two people (together) experiencing the same occurance will have two different perceptions of what occurred.

[ManWithNoName]

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	Two people (together) experiencing the same occurance will have two different perceptions of what occurred.

And what is even more interesting is neither of their perceptions is really of reality. Reality is knowable, but well really hard to get to know because we are forced to see everything from the single human viewpoint we are trapped within and cannot escape.