[bdpqbd]

	Originally Posted by what yeah okay To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I blame Keirsey for this shit. After a Google search for their prospective type, kids would rather be "The Mastermind" than "The Architect" because it sounds cooler.

I hear this alot, and it's strange for me because I was the opposite. To me "Mastermind" was tacky, and "Architect" sounded more refined.

From Keirsey's description of INTPs :

"External reality in itself is unimportant, little more than raw material to be organized into structural models."(OMG superpowers)

That, together with Albert Einstein(my childhood hero) being typed INTP and my preference for daydreaming aka "absent-mindedness" made it easy for me to see myself as one.

[Zsych]

The tests tend to check measures of I/E, N/S, T/F, J/P, as seen by the person themselves. So in that sense, at the time they gave the test, they were INTJ. But it may not mean that they are Ni/Te users. There are other combinations of cognitive functions that may still leave you INTJ.

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	Originally Posted by bdpqbd To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I hear this alot, and it's strange for me because I was the opposite. To me "Mastermind" was tacky, and "Architect" sounded more refined.

In D&D terms, we should go with Sorceror vs. Wizard

[Squid]

I agree with an earlier post that mentions how at different times different aspects of people's personalities come out. People are also ever-changing, I'd even argue that people can flip flop between types just based on how they're feeling that day. It would be hard to say how many people are mistyped.

[what yeah okay]

Here's a fun exercise:


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From this page forward, count the people who had borderline N/S scores and/or a self-idealized type (the second score) of another type (most common: ISTJ).

I forgot who coined this term, but I think this is the result of "prestige bias." People see the descriptions of Sensors as dull plebians, then skew their own results to fit in.

[Kuroneko]

Originally Posted by what yeah okay To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Here's a fun exercise: To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. From this page forward, count the people who had borderline N/S scores and/or a self-idealized type (the second score) of another type (most common: ISTJ). I forgot who coined this term, but I think this is the result of "prestige bias." People see the descriptions of Sensors as dull plebians, then skew their own results to fit in.

Shouldn't it be the opposite? These appear to be INTJs who'd like to be ISTJs, at least according to the test.

[Ferbguy101]

I've always loved edu. articles, if anyone knows any SAFE articles them please pm me

[spect]

second the intj/p tendency, dont think im the only one who suffers from j/p borderline personality disorder
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[titi monkey]

When I was a younger man, I was always taken aback when people told me I appeared angry or acted arrogantly. I never saw myself that way (my face always seemed normal when I saw it in a mirror).

I was always baffled when people argued against what they thought I meant instead of what I was actually saying (am I speaking in a foreign language? ).

To this day I don't understand why people all like to do the same things at the same time, creating crowds, lines, and traffic jams (what the hell is that all about? ).

INTJs are known for their incredible will power, believing they can accomplish anything they put their minds to, without having to ask for help. But one can push against the wind for only so long before being worn down. It's a hard lesson.

As I age and mature, I put extra effort into developing my feeling function, to being less strong-minded, to being more open to the suggestions of others. I listen to their points of view, however wrong they are. I accept help from others, even though I don't need it: I understand it makes them feel better, so I just allow it.

So my test results become skewed as my beliefs and actual behavior changes. This is a good thing, as I strive for balance and wholeness, as opposed to one-sidedness.

As for introversion and extroversion, it's the one trait that can vary most throughout one's life. At any given time -- regardless of your innate predisposition -- you can be more of one or more of the other.

[Tactical Panda]

I honestly don't know in terms of the entire forum. I'd need to go through person by person and be careful.

You can tell an INTJ by the way they talk about things though. But there more information you have about the person and what they write the better for evading silly conclusions.

[Owfin]

Sometimes I've suggested SJ, and people say "No, I'm not traditional or loyal". And I'm like, "No, that isn't what it's about at all!"

[davai]

Many supposed INTJs here are way too emotional. I think many should be INFJ or perhaps even INFP. Not naming names of course, it's up to them to think about it.

[MrFlaneur]

	Originally Posted by davai To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Many supposed INTJs here are way too emotional. I think many should be INFJ or perhaps even INFP. Not naming names of course, it's up to them to think about it.

Agitation/hatred (if thats what you are referring to) is not purely an emotional issue.

[masterpeach]

	Originally Posted by Distance To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	It's the INTJ robotic, antisocial stereotype that appears to draw many mistypes.

This is what bothers me the most. Enthusiasm and being able to be passionate about something (new) are traits of intuitive people.

[MrFlaneur]

and you'll need to take into account that Fi is pivotal to the full dimension of a typical intj.

[davai]

	Originally Posted by MrFlaneur To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Agitation/hatred (if thats what you are referring to) is not purely an emotional issue.

Yeah i know what you mean and it's not totally what i was referring to. Call it a feeling then i'm not sure, but there's a lot of posters who claim to be INTJ and are very diverse in character and opinion but still seem to me to fit INTJ quite well, and then there's others who type as 'INTJ' who are nothing like any of the others here (in my head at least).

[masterpeach]

	Originally Posted by MrFlaneur To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	and you'll need to take into account that Fi is pivotal to the full dimension of a typical intj.

Exactly. It's tertiary, not even inferior. It helps you stand your ground and fight for your arguments in heated debates (what some mistake for emotionalism).

[minitman]

I am too new to the board to have a very strong view about this, but I don't understand why many people someone would hang here if they weren't intj. Wouldn't they prefer to be on their own board. I've been tested twice and got the same INTJ results.

[davai]

	Originally Posted by minitman To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Wouldn't they prefer to be on their own board.

Not really. From what i've seen of some other forums there's not a great deal that interests me. I don't much care for feelings, relationships or shitty poems.

[Owfin]

	Originally Posted by davai To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Not really. From what i've seen of some other forums there's not a great deal that interests me. I don't much care for feelings, relationships or shitty poems.

Too bad there isn't a dedicated ISTJ forum. There is a subforum on another site, but a real forum for ISTJs...
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Oh, the endless sarcasm! The nerdiness! The logical-ness!

[masterpeach]

	Originally Posted by Owfin To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Too bad there isn't a dedicated ISTJ forum. There is a subforum on another site, but a real forum for ISTJs...

Yeah, but ISTJs are too pragmatic to set up a forum for themselves.

[floramacivor]

	Originally Posted by davai To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Not naming names of course, it's up to them to think about it.

This kind of vague "not naming any names" comes across like a witch hunt. If anyone thinks I personally am another type, I hope they PM me or something instead of accusing some indefinite proportion of the entire forum of being improperly typed.

[davai]

	Originally Posted by floramacivor To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	This kind of vague "not naming any names" comes across like a witch hunt. If anyone thinks I personally am another type, I hope they PM me or something instead of accusing some indefinite proportion of the entire forum of being improperly typed.

It had to be vague because there's probably rules against public hangings. I don't know anyone here personally so i could well be wrong, it's just some gut feelings i have about people after all. Who knows i might even have my own type wrong.

[Deliberator]

I fancy a lot of people here are mistyped. A lot of our very core members have discovered they weren't INTJs like they thought. I think I see a lot of ENTJ's and INFJ's mostly.

I think people can overestimate their introversion because they don't understand that you can be shy around strangers but still be an extrovert (extroversion is just expressed around the people one knows).

I think people can overestimate their "thinky-ness" because they assume that if they can put things together logically or value logic to some extent then they are a T, and sort of ignore all the other things that point to them actually being an F. My ENFJ mother-in-law first typed as an ENTJ, which I found laughable because she is the biggest F in existence. When I pointed out that ENTJ's aren't great at being sensitive toward people's feelings she had to agree with me that that didn't match.

I was a late bloomer as far as self-actualization was concerned. I was very much like an NF when I was a teenager, but the T-ness came through in my overwhelming need to logically determine the "correct" religion systematically rather than emotionally.

For awhile I thought I might be an INTP, INFP, INFJ, and now sometimes get ENTJ vibes.

But having compared myself to people in all these types I can see better that INTJ is where I belong. It's all relative anyway.

	Originally Posted by davai To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Many supposed INTJs here are way too emotional. I think many should be INFJ or perhaps even INFP. Not naming names of course, it's up to them to think about it.

INTJ's can be very emotional (*points to self*). It is the way they connect with their emotions that determines the T or F.

My ex-husband is almost 100% T and probably an aspie. He is very emotional (angry mostly) and practically has temper tantrums when he gets upset. He has no ability to connect with the fact that he is upset for a purely emotional reason. That just doesn't compute for him, he has to come up with a "logical" reason that he is upset.

[Kuroneko]

	Originally Posted by Owfin To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Too bad there isn't a dedicated ISTJ forum. There is a subforum on another site, but a real forum for ISTJs... To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Oh, the endless sarcasm! The nerdiness! The logical-ness!

You should start one.

[Owfin]

	Originally Posted by Kuroneko To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	You should start one.

I thought about it, but I wouldn't be dedicated enough to run or promote it. I assume all the other ISTJs thought the same thing.