[seanjuan84]

I heard lemon ginseng tea is good for detox. It's easy to find at the grocery store too.

[Bisclavret]

	Originally Posted by thod To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I am not sure that this colon cleansing idea makes much sense. If you clean it, how long does it take to build back up? Does it stop at some point? Like a 20 year old has less than a 40 year old. How do we know this a problem and not the natural state? Has anyone analysed the colons of centurions? if they live that long without cleansing, perhaps it is a good thing.

At least from my understanding, a colon cleanse is an ongoing process which must be repeated ever so often to really be 'effective' in the long haul. There are probably several factors related to each individual's cleansing frequency, such as age, diet, medical anormalities, environment, etc. About the colons of centurions...I really don't have any expertise to speak on the matter. My guess is that they can be relatively clean in relation to their age, or quite dysfunctional. I don't know...

[plotthickens]

Why does it not surprise me that there is not one single iota of support offered in this thread?

[Bisclavret]

	Originally Posted by plotthickens To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Why does it not surprise me that there is not one single iota of support offered in this thread?

What kind of support were you expecting?

[plotthickens]

	Originally Posted by Bisclavret To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	What kind of support were you expecting?

None, actually. Actual scientific support to this stuff is rather rare. Though we are slowly weeding out the cranks and the useless from the truly helpful old-wife's-tails, everything in that 'untested' area has its rabid supporters. Even if it turns their skin blue or makes their kidneys fall out their ears. *eyeroll*

[Bisclavret]

Truly, there are many products available on the health/wellness market, not all of which being useful, yet some being quite useful. Herbs have been used in the realm of medicine for thousands of years in the treatment of nearly every physical ailment known to man, and are still in use today are either a substitute and or complement to modern medicinal practices. I too advocate for more research in the field of health products to seperate the good from the bad, and enlighten people with all the options that are available to them.

[Valzer]

How much do you want to detox yourself? Basic, average, or crazy health perfect level. And what are your actual eating habits right now? Tell me that and I'll try give you my humble opinion. But you must know. It's hard. It's slow! But works. Change is seen(felt) from the first days. If consistent great achievements are done.

Fasting is the casual way, but I don't agree with it's 'hard' variants.

[Bluefire]

@Peppersasen

You had any more thoughts on this or any progress?
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I did just read through your posts again and wondered if you have explored in depth, food (allergy)/intolerance?

[peppersasen]

	Originally Posted by Bluefire To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I did just read through your posts again and wondered if you have explored in depth, food (allergy)/intolerance?

This is actually about two things for me (it has nothing to do with intolerance, it has to do with immunity). It's all about:
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and my caffeine immunity (I can't seem to wake up using strong black coffee anymore).

About the psychological condition:

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I have OCPD. When I was about 9 I moved to a developing country where everything was dirty. I couldn't stop fantasizing about how I would magically make everything so clean and tidy and how I would make people "behave" (apparently the adult term for that is "human development"). My parents taught me to be nice to less fortunate people, so I was never rude to the maid/house staff. But I was never happy with their work, so I would wait until they left the room and would secretly clean after their cleaning (to positions things symmetric and all) so as not to offend them. I'm obsessed in To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. . Even if it's only an online forum post. I plan my life like crazy (wait till you see To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. ). And every time I learn that something is "dirty" and that you can "clean" that dirty thing/condition, I become obsessed in doing it (ex: To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. ). And yes OCPD and OCD are two different things. OCPD is more productive, less debilitating that OCD. If at all. ---------- Post added 07-24-2011 at 07:12 PM ---------- I'm also super structured. When I'm not, I'm full-blown ADHD. I recently made a rule that INTJf is only for weekends. LOL. And I even plan on scheduling my beauty regimen.

And I've fixed the caffeine immunity I developed by drinking green tea instead (until I get immune to that too), but it would be REALLY nice if I could stop being immune to caffeine...
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---------- Post added 08-06-2011 at 06:42 PM ----------

	Originally Posted by Valzer To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	How much do you want to detox yourself? Basic, average, or crazy health perfect level. And what are your actual eating habits right now? Tell me that and I'll try give you my humble opinion. But you must know. It's hard. It's slow! But works. Change is seen(felt) from the first days. If consistent great achievements are done.

Let me think about it (I would like to do more than lose the caffeine immunity). Honestly, I don't know where most of my veggies and such come from. For all I know, I could be ingesting insane amounts of chemicals or near nothing.

[RBM]

	Originally Posted by plotthickens To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Why does it not surprise me that there is not one single iota of support offered in this thread?

The OP'er seems to have a strange definition of detoxification given the desire to want to lose caffeine immunity presumably to imbibe more caffeine which can be considered a toxic substance.

There lot's of muddy water in this OP.

Good Luck with sorting it out

[applemacfolife]

	Originally Posted by Alderamin To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	True. But fruit and vegetables should be cooked too before being eaten. They are loaded with defensive toxins, especially considering the stress response among plants raised in an industrial setting. Apart from coffee, sugar, and coconut oil I try to avoid plant products, really, and just focus on beef, dairy, and eggs.

Frequently, plants grown in a modern, industrial setting experience far less stress than plants that are grown in an organic way. This is because they are protected by the latest innovations meaning that they don't have to compete with weeds, aren't stressed by irregular watering, and do not have to deal with insect damage. This typically results in crops with fewer natural toxic compounds.

Of course the organic advocates will be happy to tell you to eat food straight off the vine, "just as the good lord intended, hallelujah!" because it has no chemical anything.

[RBM]

Originally Posted by lifelonglego To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Frequently, plants grown in a modern, industrial setting experience far less stress than plants that are grown in an organic way. This is because they are protected by the latest innovations meaning that they don't have to compete with weeds, aren't stressed by irregular watering, and do not have to deal with insect damage. This typically results in crops with fewer natural toxic compounds. Of course the organic advocates will be happy to tell you to eat food straight off the vine, "just as the good lord intended, hallelujah!" because it has no chemical anything.

Interesting logical fallacy due a faulty generalization.

I'm not an organic advocate but neither do I simply 'swallow' (pun intended) everything that the food chemistry industry would like to put in my mouth.

[antistu]

I did a 4-day
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back in April. I plan on doing it again soon for 5 days beginning with a water fast.

You have to know what you are doing and be sure you don't over exert yourself during the fast. The link above gives a good 1-day example, you can try that out to get the hang of it.

[MusicalINTJ]

This statement sounds cliche: but use a balanced approach.

No need to use some colon blowout system. If you are switching your diet and/or drug intake, your body will respond soon enough.

Cut the junk food. Don't eat at restaurants without checking everything on their ingredient list.

Though some say it's not needed, I recommend organic veggies/fruits/dairy. Meat should be too, but I don't think it matters quite as much.

Exercise.

Take your high quality fish oil capsules.

Don't eat fish (poisoned as shit.)

For breakfast, eat oatmeal mixed with a small amount of maple syrup, cinnamon, and flax seed oil. YUM.

No packaged snacks.

Limit meat consumption to a light serving once a day. (maybe turkey before sleep?)

Don't think calories. Think quality and diversity.

Move as much as possible. We are like batteries, charging a full battery is pointless and will eventually kill us. Use the phone until it's close to shutting off.

[antistu]

	Originally Posted by MusicalINTJ To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Take your high quality fish oil capsules.

You can take Flax Seed Oil capsules just the same (I take 2000mg daily).

	Don't eat fish (poisoned as shit.)

I'd like to hear your theory on this. I'm a vegetarian but occasionally will eat fish and some seafood. I know several people that use a Paleolithic diet and have great success (one is my neighbor who is 95).

[MusicalINTJ]

	Originally Posted by antistu To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	You can take Flax Seed Oil capsules just the same (I take 2000mg daily). I'd like to hear your theory on this. I'm a vegetarian but occasionally will eat fish and some seafood. I know several people that use a Paleolithic diet and have great success (one is my neighbor who is 95).

That's works too (on the capsuls.)

I will take back my statement. The reason I said NO fish is because I know that more common fish eaten in the States (tuna, salmon) are known to have lots of toxins.

The ocean is the toilet of the industry of mankind.

[ppu6502]

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Announcer: It would take over two and a half million bowls of your oat bran cereal to equal the fiber content of one bowl of Super Colon Blow.

[Homeostasis]

	Originally Posted by phoboser To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	From what I can tell this 'detox' trend is not medically sound. Yes, there are tests to see if something is out of whack with our body, and they are performed by licensed professionals (doctors), not Sheila at Aura Salon and Spa.

Amen, Phoboser. I couldn't agree more.

Please speak to a medical doctor (MD, or DO) before you fall into one of those so-called detox diets or routines. They are usually not healthy in the least and are often backed up by bogus claims that cannot be tested or have flat out been proven wrong via scientific method.

Please, be careful and smart - talk to a real doctor.

[Bisclavret]

	Originally Posted by Homeostasis To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Amen, Phoboser. I couldn't agree more. Please speak to a medical doctor (MD, or DO) before you fall into one of those so-called detox diets or routines. They are usually not healthy in the least and are often backed up by bogus claims that cannot be tested or have flat out been proven wrong via scientific method. Please, be careful and smart - talk to a real doctor.

The fallacy above = Appeal to Authority

Although I agree that "detox diets and routines" are oftentimes nothing more than shady marketing plots proving ineffectual health benefits, doctors are just as useless when it comes to health consultation. If you ask almost any doctor about diet/supplementation, you will usually get the same responses:

1- "You look perfectly healthy to me, so there's no need for you do to anything really"

2- "Take this prescription, it should help you with your symptoms"

There's no option or constructive advice given for people who want to attempt to alleviate their health symptoms without the use of pharmaceuticals (since many allopathic doctors don't possess such knowledge).

I find that the best thing a person can do is inform him/herself about their ailments by reading as many academic and non academic information sources that they can in relation to dieting, allergies, food intolerances, diseases and health conditions, as well as the alternative treatments that can be utilized to alleviate health disorders.

[phoboser]

	Originally Posted by Bisclavret To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	The fallacy above = Appeal to Authority

That's not an appeal to authority fallacy, it's good advice based on knowledge that graduates of medical schools have extensive knowledge of human physiology, understand the necessity of the scientific method in evaluating the safety and efficacy of medical treatments, and are legally beholden to "do no harm" which entails not taking advantage of the placebo effect to dupe people using marked-up cheap, ineffective treatments. None of that applies to altmed hacks.