[sircockburn]

Not very many people willing to defend their criminal kids.

If so, why does it seem like parents of famous criminals almost always defend their grown children. For instance, saying something like: "My son/daughter is INNOCENT. S/he'd NEVER do anything like that. Look at what you're putting him/her through! Leave us alone!"

You almost never hear parents cooperating with investigation.

It could be because in most cases, the verdict isn't as obvious as it was in the OP's scenario. But it's kind of scary that they want to impede investigation, and avoid uncovering the truth.

I mean, it'd be nice to at least know whether you're inviting a killer to your niece's baby shower, right? So you can plan accordingly?

[Seablue]

^ What really scares me is when people explain that they were raped by a member of their family, that they had and possibly even won a trial, and that since then they are considered the black sheep of the family for not keeping their mouths shut...

[XFire35]

I'd hand them in myself.

[Dru]

due to an overwhelming conflict of interest, i would have to remain on-the-fence. i wouldn't lie for them, but i wouldn't be the one pointing the finger at them, either.

any decent parent doesn't focus solely on protecting their child, they also need to remember that one day their child is going to be grown, and while you can't force another person to make good choices, you can very well demonstrate by not enabling bad behavior (killing someone, for example...) that they must deal with the consequences of their actions.

[Kisai]

I'd murder the child, because it was my reponsibility for not noticing this behavior earlier, then hightail it to someplace without extradition to the United States.

[Toad]

Would anyone kill their child then kill himself/herself?

[Distance]

In this situation, I'd turn him in. Only a sociopath would commit this type of crime so for his own good and the safety of others, it's best that he be put away.

[Persona]

Originally Posted by Antares To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I'd turn them in, get them a lawyer if they can't afford one and make sure they get their just desserts. If the law is too punitive I will try to lighten their punishments, but otherwise you're responsible for your own actions. You're a fucking adult. Get with the program or get out. Honestly the description in the OP sounds like some sort of psychopath. I'd have him committed to a mental institution.

well... I suppose. It's tough to say. It'd depend a lot on the child, probably.

[PRBori]

Originally Posted by sircockburn To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Not very many people willing to defend their criminal kids. If so, why does it seem like parents of famous criminals almost always defend their grown children. For instance, saying something like: "My son/daughter is INNOCENT. S/he'd NEVER do anything like that. Look at what you're putting him/her through! Leave us alone!" You almost never hear parents cooperating with investigation. It could be because in most cases, the verdict isn't as obvious as it was in the OP's scenario. But it's kind of scary that they want to impede investigation, and avoid uncovering the truth. I mean, it'd be nice to at least know whether you're inviting a killer to your niece's baby shower, right? So you can plan accordingly?

Denial, denial, denial and more denial. Also an internal guilt that they might be responsible in one way or another. Is creepy to know that there are many individuals within the neighborhoods with some sort of criminal background. Look at the story of the 8 yr old boy who belonged to a Jewish community and was cut into pieces by one of their own. Is sicknen if you ask me.

[ppu6502]

	Originally Posted by PRBori To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Look at the story of the 8 yr old boy who belonged to a Jewish community and was cut into pieces by one of their own. Is sicknen if you ask me.

How is it worth mention that both were Jewish? As if being in a community of people who have the same religion somehow protects you from any of those people being a murderer.

[PRBori]

	Originally Posted by ppu6502 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	How is it worth mention that both were Jewish? As if being in a community of people who have the same religion somehow protects you from any of those people being a murderer.

That just meant that even those you might feel secure within because they share the same belief can still be crazy and not worthy of trust. It is known that the Jewish community always help each other and have very strong beliefs and trust within themselves. This is an example that even those you think can be trusted should not be.

It really didn't mean anything negative.

[Muse]

Justice, but not crucification.

I subscribe to the theory that punishments are meant solely to reform, utilize, or remove an individual in an efficient way. Anything else is excessive, and merely a product of human emotion. This is why i actually consider, to a large degree, the death penalty to be a failure of efficiency of the society, as they were unable to do one of the first two.

Crucification is meant to scare/sate people. Its a way of making an example of someone, by publicly displaying their corpse. I see no reason to inflict such a negative on the society nor the culprit. If death penalty is needed, injection or bullet(bullet humane and efficient) preferred. But ideally they should be reformed, or receive structured living involving work for the state/public(we get labor, they get option to stay alive, maybe with a bit of TV time, win/win).

[Weltschmerzer]

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You're very sick and I would suggest getting some professional help. In any event, to every person their own. That is how I see things if you think otherwise then thats your own personal problem. If you feel your parents made you the sick person you seem to be then that's is a deeper issue you have to resolved, but at the end, although I could see this being a reaction of bad parenting, such is not always the case. in most instances an individual committing this type of crime has either a mental issue or other personals problems completely unrelated to parenting. After certain age, a child is no longer a parents responsibility and therefore should not be held accountable for their child actions. A 30 year old individual should be mature enough to know what's right and what's wrong, and what the consequences would be when he/she commits a crime.

The type of crime described by the OP is usually committed by a sociopath. Look at the "parenting" that went into creating most sociopaths, and I think you'll realize how dubious your position is. I will fully grant that bad parenting is not always the cause, and it certainly doesn't excuse the actions of the criminal, but it is often a contributing factor. What really disturbs me is your claim that you wouldn't even question your parenting methods in such a situation. This seems like an irrational, knee-jerk defense mechanism.

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Originally Posted by Muse To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Justice, but not crucification. I subscribe to the theory that punishments are meant solely to reform, utilize, or remove an individual in an efficient way. Anything else is excessive, and merely a product of human emotion. This is why i actually consider, to a large degree, the death penalty to be a failure of efficiency of the society, as they were unable to do one of the first two. Crucification is meant to scare/sate people. Its a way of making an example of someone, by publicly displaying their corpse. I see no reason to inflict such a negative on the society nor the culprit. If death penalty is needed, injection or bullet(bullet humane and efficient) preferred. But ideally they should be reformed, or receive structured living involving work for the state/public(we get labor, they get option to stay alive, maybe with a bit of TV time, win/win).

It's efficient, though, once you take into account the irrationality and bloodlust of humanity. A justice system designed solely to reform criminals would drive the rest of society batty. People need to see "bad" people suffer, because that's (for most people) their main motivation for being "good."

[Muse]

	Originally Posted by Weltschmerzer To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	It's efficient, though, once you take into account the irrationality and bloodlust of humanity. A justice system designed solely to reform criminals would drive the rest of society batty. People need to see "bad" people suffer, because that's (for most people) their main motivation for being "good."

I agree with your point, but i propose the design be geared towards reform(through time, etc.) or utilization(like a life sentence of work where a death sentence would have normally happened). I think life in the system is suffering enough really, especially with required work added for serious crimes(to avoid death penalty).

[seeyouatx]

Justice, but not vengeance (i.e. death penalty, etc.)

[Weltschmerzer]

	Originally Posted by Muse To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I agree with your point, but i propose the design be geared towards reform(through time, etc.) or utilization(like a life sentence of work where a death sentence would have normally happened). I think life in the system is suffering enough really, especially with required work added for serious crimes(to avoid death penalty).

And I agree with your ideal, but only as an ideal. I don't think humanity is anywhere close to being able to tolerate such a system.

[PRBori]

Originally Posted by Weltschmerzer To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

The type of crime described by the OP is usually committed by a sociopath. Look at the "parenting" that went into creating most sociopaths, and I think you'll realize how dubious your position is. I will fully grant that bad parenting is not always the cause, and it certainly doesn't excuse the actions of the criminal, but it is often a contributing factor. What really disturbs me is your claim that you wouldn't even question your parenting methods in such a situation. This seems like an irrational, knee-jerk defense mechanism.."

I guess we have different opinions. Although, granted, bad parenting could lead to someone becoming a sociopath, I don't think that such is often the case. In any event, personally I will not question my parenting methods for what a 30 year old did. In my end I educate my kids and ensure they have a balance life. I talk about everything I can and use life experiences anther personal or not as examples. If they choose to go another way after they are out of the house because they are either unable to handle their problems then that's on them. If this is a mental issue, I might question the doctors I might have choosen to help with their psychological state as they were younger because they had the expertise, I don't. In any event, once someone leaves the house they should be held responsivlemfor their own actions.

[Tactical Panda]

Justice needs to be done, but outside of the justice and where and whenever possible I'd protect the child. Love, support, paying bail, etc. Do what is right.

[Weltschmerzer]

Originally Posted by PRBori To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I guess we have different opinions. Although, granted, bad parenting could lead to someone becoming a sociopath, I don't think that such is often the case. In any event, personally I will not question my parenting methods for what a 30 year old did. In my end I educate my kids and ensure they have a balance life. I talk about everything I can and use life experiences anther personal or not as examples. If they choose to go another way after they are out of the house because they are either unable to handle their problems then that's on them. If this is a mental issue, I might question the doctors I might have choosen to help with their psychological state as they were younger because they had the expertise, I don't. In any event, once someone leaves the house they should be held responsivlemfor their own actions.

I'm fine with us having different opinions, but I would encourage you to look into some of the biographies of sociopaths similar to the one described by the OP. I think you'll find some similarities in parenting styles.

[SowZ]

So basically my kid is Alex DeLarge? This is one of the few circumstances where I think I would contemplate suicide. Of course, that would be an irrational response and I highly doubt I would do it. After contemplating my parenting, I would probably conclude that there were some things I did majorly wrong and that the kid is for whatever reason evil.

Obviously he is insane and I would hope and pray that his insanity is something that could be balanced. I would still love them, and while I would accept that they need to spend serious time locked up I would do everything I could do prevent the death penalty and prison, instead vying for a mental facility where they could get help.

	Originally Posted by Toad To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Would anyone kill their child then kill himself/herself?

It would go like this.

Dad: (Kids name,) we're both murderers. We'll see each other again in hell.

Kid: Dad, NOOOO!!! ... Can I have a last request? I want to take this potato chip... AND EAT IT!

[sevans]

I would kill them myself and personally do all that I could to make sure the victim and family family were set with whatever they needed. They'd have a permanent IOU to use whenever they needed.

[Kunt Punt]

That moment I knew my child did it, he/she is no longer my child, I will no longer feel love for them, I would call the police and make sure he/she gets the maximum sentence.

[PRBori]

	Originally Posted by Weltschmerzer To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I'm fine with us having different opinions, but I would encourage you to look into some of the biographies of sociopaths similar to the one described by the OP. I think you'll find some similarities in parenting styles.

This is not really a topic of interest to me, but I'm open to learning. Since you already have read them, would you kindly post the similarities in parenting styles that have lead others to be sociopaths... I would very much appreciate it...
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[skn]

I don't have kids, so I'll just go from a theoretical standpoint of how I think I'd react.

I'd most likely not do anything, If they get caught(which most likely would happen since they didn't really keep quite about it) I'd just turn a blind eye to the whole thing and let justice be served, if they didn't get caught, I wouldn't go out on all lengths to ensure justice either(This standpoint stand no matter what the punishment is).

[Weltschmerzer]

	Originally Posted by PRBori To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	This is not really a topic of interest to me, but I'm open to learning. Since you already have read them, would you kindly post the similarities in parenting styles that have lead others to be sociopaths... I would very much appreciate it... To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/notorious/tick/abuse_3.html