[One Man Sitting]

Most of what I read about INTJs say that we are always striving to be the best at something and that we always see room for improvement. Yet I never act on this I can see where the improvement is needed, I assume any person can, but I don’t act on it. I consider myself to be less intelligent then most of my peers as they have always been able to grasp concepts faster than I could, and able to implement them with more success. Maybe I have always hung around more intelligent people then me as I could better understand them. I have never valued my ability to design or think abstractly, I just assumed every person thought in this logical way, and therefore have never fostered these abilities.

I have always aimed to be average when I was young as this would allow me to still just be lazy and keep to my private self but also gain enough respect for me find desirable.

Well fellow INTJs have you ever heard of a lazy INTJ, or is this a common occurrence?

[zibber]

I very much hear what you're saying. While I definitely don't think as badly as you about my own capabilities, I am very far from the type of "go-getter" many INTJs (around here) purport to be.

[k2sk8k2]

I made it my life goal to have low expectations for everything including my whole outlook on life and how i represent myself. Resulting in people not asking my for assistance or bothering me for unnecessary reasons, i sure as hell am not complaining why bother

[Doppelbock]

I was more energetic when I was younger, but seriously doubt I could summon the fortitude to take on another degree program or other major undertaking these days. I spend my evenings playing Quake 4 or watching Netflix. But I'm not sure whether this is laziness or just a lack of passion (or maybe these are pretty much the same thing?).

[Autumnleaf]

I think lack of a motivational goal has a lot to do with. Its like the fat old king who drinks too much. Winning the crown was a fun goal that motivated him but having the crown and dealing with the mundane issues surrounding it aren't so motivational.

[ManWithNoName]

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	I think lack of a motivational goal has a lot to do with. Its like the fat old king who drinks too much. Winning the crown was a fun goal that motivated him but having the crown and dealing with the mundane issues surrounding it aren't so motivational.

Yeah kind of like that scene in There Will Be Blood where the other oil company just straight up offers Daniel Plainview a million dollars to buy his company and he just says "And what would I do with myself then?" and violently declines. I'm pretty ambitious and definitely a go-getter and found I could really relate to that part (and character in general which I found a bit scary).

[therrirl]

I would ask . . . is your P sort of higher on the scale compared to J . . . how did your percentages come out?

[WindUp]

Like zibber, I also don't think my capabilities are as bad as you think yours are, but I also can be quite lazy compared to a lot of the go-getters that are on here. Rather than aim to be average, I aim to be comfortable. I exert myself to a minimal degree and still achieve above average results. This could be due to my inability to make up my mind about what kind of career I wish to go into... /sigh

[Phylax Heteros]

After the fashion of zibber and WindUp, I foster my abilities and mind, as well as maintaining a strict work ethic, but I am disinclined to rush about in pursuit of fiscal advancement. In addition, my laziness comes out in the form of escapism, or rather, in reading, writing, playing video games, ect.

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Like zibber, I also don't think my capabilities are as bad as you think yours are, but I also can be quite lazy compared to a lot of the go-getters that are on here. Rather than aim to be average, I aim to be comfortable. I exert myself to a minimal degree and still achieve above average results. This could be due to my inability to make up my mind about what kind of career I wish to go into... /sigh

What are your primarily manifested abilities?

[Alphemo]

	In addition, my laziness comes out in the form of escapism, or rather, in reading, writing, playing video games, etc.

That's how I spend a lot of my time. I'm not, as a rule, unmotivated; I'm just not motivated to do certain things.

[Moniker9]

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	That's how I spend a lot of my time. I'm not, as a rule, unmotivated; I'm just not motivated to do certain things.

I have something similar. I think of myself as lazy in that I consider work to be a waste of time and avoid it whenever possible, but when I do work I work hard, does that make me lazy, if it does i'm okay with it. I am largely unmotivated because there are no goals I consider worth the effort to attain. I intend to obtain a PhD, which is a difficult goal, but what I intend to do with that PhD (teach at a community college) is not. Why run about gathering money or power unless the gathering itself is enjoyable?

[One Man Sitting]

	Originally Posted by therrirl To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I would ask . . . is your P sort of higher on the scale compared to J . . . how did your percentages come out?

I had a career councilor who did this test with me and talk with me for a while he said i wasn't very strong in anything other than the introverted part but after reading through the INTP profile it seems to be a little more like me. Should I trust the test or what I just read?

[therrirl]

	Originally Posted by One Man Sitting To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I had a career councilor who did this test with me and talk with me for a while he said i wasn't very strong in anything other than the introverted part but after reading through the INTP profile it seems to be a little more like me. Should I trust the test or what I just read?

The test has limits . . . I think it's +/- 5% . . . meaning if you are over 55% or under 45% you are more firmly in that category, if you fall into middle of those you could test eithe way continueously. It means you have traits of both. I think P's are generally more prone to being lazy . . . as are S's . . .?

[dungeonguy88]

I have something of a personal saying "It takes a near superhuman effort, to be as lazy as I am."

Make of it what you will.

[SarcasticVlad]

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	Most of what I read about INTJs say that we are always striving to be the best at something and that we always see room for improvement.

Well, I try my best to be the laziest motherfucker around. But since I actually took time to answer to your topic, obviously there's room for improvement. I'm not lazy enough. Damn it! I can't do anything right!

[tms1337]

I go through spurts of laziness, then equal bouts of inspiration and creation.

When there's a lot on my plate, when major life issues are presenting themselves in my life, when I'm stressed, I slow down and figure out where I need to go to get my life back on track.

When things are stable, and I can sit down in my chair without any nagging emotions, I'm extremely productive.

Sometimes I push through the stress to work, but I always try too hard, and the end result isn't as good as I would want it to be.

[plink]

I'm lazy when it comes to the things INTJs are traditionally associated with. I was a super academic as a kid and in college, and as soon as I graduated, I thought, "Fuck all that nonsense," and threw all my energy into my hobbies. I'm good at my career, but I don't really care about it, and I don't care about working my way to the top, wherever that is. I work to support the fun stuff. And I give the fun stuff everything I've got.

[Shadizar]

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Most of what I read about INTJs say that we are always striving to be the best at something and that we always see room for improvement. Yet I never act on this I can see where the improvement is needed, I assume any person can, but I don’t act on it. I consider myself to be less intelligent then most of my peers as they have always been able to grasp concepts faster than I could, and able to implement them with more success. Maybe I have always hung around more intelligent people then me as I could better understand them. I have never valued my ability to design or think abstractly, I just assumed every person thought in this logical way, and therefore have never fostered these abilities. I have always aimed to be average when I was young as this would allow me to still just be lazy and keep to my private self but also gain enough respect for me find desirable. Well fellow INTJs have you ever heard of a lazy INTJ, or is this a common occurrence?

I've made it a personal goal to be among the most efficient lazy person around.

On the slapping hand, S are the ones who feel the need to do things constantly, grass needs mowing, dishes need washing, cobwebs in the corners. My stepfather is very S, it's exhausting watching him take a day off; I'm more the type... there's still dishes in the cupboard, mower will still cut if the grass is another two inches, cobwebs are character.

[DeepThought]

Having grown up in a time and place where there was very little opportunity and scant recognition for my talents, I sadly developed something of a bad attitude and bad habits against which I still struggle. After escaping that environment I learned (almost too late) that there were in fact opportunities and I grabbed hold of that brass ring. For a long time I was very dedicated and driven. Now, many years later, I'm very tired, stressed out, and don't have nearly as much enthusiasm for my chosen career or the business world in general. Still, I persist, but not with the zeal of years past. To be clear: I still work my butt off at times, but I can also be found whiling the day away trying to avoid meaningful work (like now). Sometimes I feel like I'm the laziest fucking workaholic on the planet.
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[topquark]

I can be quite lazy. If I want to do something, I'll do it, but most things I don't have the motivation for. I'll put off chores like cleaning or laundry until I've worn all my underwear right-way-out and inside-out and there are things growing in amongst the mess under my bed. I always used to work very hard academically because I got a kick out of being good at it, but the novelty has worn off now so I've stopped. I don't see any benefit in working other than to get money to survive.

[Gerace]

When I lack passion, or I think something is stupid and/or boring, I'm the laziest SoB around.
But I have bouts of frenzied, inspired work when I've found my next new challenge. I just think it's fun to try to come up with new/better/different ways of doing things by thinking about them unconventionally, so I guess that's what mostly drives me.

[Noiresque]

At work, getting things done would be the 1st priority then slack off when everything's under control.

At home, setup plans and idealize how to improve things/self but always end up with attitude of 'Mañana' it's a horribly addictive lazy cycle

[Crowley]

I have long since been bitten by the nihilism bug

I'm about as lazy as it gets as far as 'why bother' is concerned

[notconventional]

At work I can't stand having nothing to do or having to make up things to do.

At home and with hobbies I'm so lazy. Shadizar seems right to me; my S husband is always doing things that I think are unimportant and unurgent and therefore not worth doing.

Actually I tend to oscilate; for a few months I'll be all awesome energy and focus and passion at home and work and then my commitment just drops out and every goal looks the same and nothing can get me moving.

In summary I'm not type A.

[Shadizar]

Our problem stems from the simplicity of the information age; we can't take over the world quite as easily as back in the day. Also the complexity of the feely world; dying for the cause isn't nearly as bothersome as rotting in prison for nine consecutive life sentences with no chance of parole. With these barriers in place, laziness looks down right attractive.