[dungeonguy88]

	Originally Posted by INTroJect To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I want to see what a debate between RP and BO would be like. ---------- Post added 06-17-2011 at 05:01 PM ---------- You can raise your own taxes, just write a check to the federal treasury.

True, though I imagine it wouldn't nearly as much to them coming from just me. But seriously, I don't mean to suggest I like the idea of taxes being raised, however I do believe it's a measure that should remain on the table. Sort of a "never, say never" mentality I suppose...I do have to wander why the idea of cutting spending AND raising taxes, seems just reprehensible to all sides. Perhaps it's another dichotomy that been forced onto the public consciousness. Raising spending goes with raising taxes, and lower taxes goes with lowering spending, and never shall the two camps intermingle in any way.

[mrhat]

Can someone explain the Obama support to me? Take a look at what he ran on in 2008 and then look at his actions. Government transparency, ending the wars, drug war, etc.

[Shadizar]

No Sara Palin option?

[chaostheory]

Am I really seeing this?

Barack Obama at 52%? Seeing this on INTJf makes me lose hope for humanity.

Just... WHY? He LIED on pretty much every campaign promise he made.



This is fucking disturbing.

[Shadizar]

	Originally Posted by chaostheory To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Am I really seeing this? Barack Obama at 52%? Seeing this on INTJf makes me lose hope for humanity. Just... WHY? He LIED on pretty much every campaign promise he made. This is fucking disturbing.

You can do better? Run for presidency.

[chaostheory]

	Originally Posted by Shadizar To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	You can do better? Run for presidency.

I'm not a multi-billionaire with friends on wall street.

I take it you voted for the liar.


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[INTroJect]

	Originally Posted by Iximi To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Where is the Gary Johnson option?

	Originally Posted by Shadizar To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	No Sara Palin option?

I went by who was at the New Hampshire debate + the current president. I plan to redo it the same way after the next debate. I don't follow Gary Johnson but Sara Palin hasn't announced anything, has she?

[Shadizar]

	Originally Posted by chaostheory To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I'm not a multi-billionaire with friends on wall street. I take it you voted for the liar.

You don't need money mongers; just intelligent citizens.

And I don't vote for my own damn country, why would I vote for yours.

[INTroJect]

	Originally Posted by mrhat To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Can someone explain the Obama support to me? Take a look at what he ran on in 2008 and then look at his actions. Government transparency, ending the wars, drug war, etc.

Its probably MSNBC agents sneaking into the forum and placing votes. Its not like anyone is saying "YAY! I love Bush 2.0!"

[LaoTzu]

	Originally Posted by chaostheory To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I'm not a multi-billionaire with friends on wall street. I take it you voted for the liar. To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

You should provide Valid citations, if you're going to call someone a liar.


Not doing so kind of makes... you... a ... liar?

:/



If America wasn't such a total political cesspool; you'd all see that Obummer isn't that bad a guy, isn't doing any HARM to the country... and is herding Dem/Rep cats who are too busy chasing their own tails to do anything worthwhile for the country.

He leads as good as I would in such circumstance and there's absolutely nobody even close to him atm.


Oh, and fuck Ron Paul. Not that I don't like him. Still... fuck him. He will never in a million years win the GOP nomination. NEVER! Not even saying he shouldn't.... just sayin'... he's a waste of space. One day all the confused youngn's will come around to realize they've been bamboozled by the best. Republican Youth! Assemble!!

[dungeonguy88]

	Originally Posted by chaostheory To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Am I really seeing this? Barack Obama at 52%? Seeing this on INTJf makes me lose hope for humanity. Just... WHY? He LIED on pretty much every campaign promise he made. This is fucking disturbing.

Some how you find this to be a new and shocking trend in US politics?

I don't really care if I'm lied to by politicians. I'm fairly certain that everything that comes from the mouth of any politician while running for election is a lie. Yeah, I set my standards pretty low, if a major city doesn't sink into the sea over your term, I figure they probably did alright. And while I'm quite annoyed with him myself, he has actually accomplished some things that I can't bring myself to call failures.

	Originally Posted by LaoTzu To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Oh, and fuck Ron Paul. Not that I don't like him. Still... fuck him. He will never in a million years win the GOP nomination. NEVER! Not even saying he shouldn't.... just sayin'... he's a waste of space. One day all the confused youngn's will come around to realize they've been bamboozled by the best. Republican Youth! Assemble!!

Were we talking about who might actually be seen as valid candidates? If that's case then, yeah, Ron Paul would have almost no chance at all. He just seems moderately more tolerable than the others I've seen.

[INTroJect]

Shall we make a list of Obama lies? Well, the Guantanamo promise comes first to mind, one of the reasons that I voted for him in the last election.

How about the pledge in Feb 2009 to cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term?

	Originally Posted by "President Obama"
	"Today I am pledging to cut the deficit we inherited in half by the end of my first term in office." To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I sure thought that promise sounded nice when he made it. However, unfortunately, he has only managed to blow the deficit completely out of the water since then. Its like Bush spending turbocharged.

[jaked]

I'm not American, but I try to pay close attention. I'm curious to see what Pawlenty and Bachman bring to the table, but I doubt I'll like what I see/hear.

Pawlenty is already modifying his way of speaking to appeal to the Southern crowd. He comes off highly unnatural. It's going to annoy me.

Bachman is not as bad as Democrats paint her, but she's still a social conservative who presents herself as a Mises scholar when she clearly isn't.

Where are the good libertarian candidates? Please don't say Ron Paul.

Obama is not looking all that bad right now. I give him a lot of credit for funding the sciences. Not everything is about free market economics.

[INTroJect]

It will be about not following free market economics when the economy goes into collapse.

[jaked]

	Originally Posted by INTroJect To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	It will be about not following free market economics when the economy goes into collapse.

Perhaps. But look at the alternatives on this list.

[LaoTzu]

No doubt there are myriad and varied reasons for the deficit issue.
Things like... I dunno maybe that corporations are having their most profitable times in history but still not hiring. Or maybe that just about everything the Dem Congress sent to Senate was filibustered to bajesus. Maybe he's a sneaky muslim trying to socialize america by bankrupting....it? :/ (that one doesnt make sense to me either)

In any case; Obama's cut taxes, cut spending as much as One can in the middle of a depression (that's when Gov't needs to be spending mind you...) If he didn't cave on the Bush tax cuts, I think that would have gone a long way.

Either way... there's going to be more debt. Even under Ryan's god-awful plan... there's around $4 Trillion in new debt that will be created.

[INTroJect]

	Originally Posted by jaked To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Perhaps. But look at the alternatives on this list.

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Although it would be fun to bring back Merchantilism, or pay tribute and live as 2nd class "protected" citizens under the Islamic economics system, it appears that the only options currently available at the voting booth is the Austrian or Keynesian/classical. So far, I stand with Austrian.

[INTelliJent]

Anyone who says "Ron Paul or Barack Obama" knows nothing about either those two politicians or politics, or both. They are lightyears apart in their positions. Obama would make a great Republican, and RP makes a poor one. Which is a great thing.

[INTroJect]

	Originally Posted by INTelliJent To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Anyone who says "Ron Paul or Barack Obama" knows nothing about either those two politicians or politics, or both. THey are lightyears apart in their positions.

"None of the above" isn't an option available at the voting booth.

[Eridal]

	Originally Posted by INTroJect To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	"None of the above" isn't an option available at the voting booth.

Sure there is, there's voting for a third party candidate, there's not voting at all, and finally there's a write-in candidate in some states :P.

As for who I will vote for it would be Ron Paul if he's nominated otherwise I'll probably take the none of the above option.

[INTroJect]

	Originally Posted by LaoTzu To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	In any case; Obama's cut taxes, cut spending as much as One can in the middle of a depression

What spending has he cut?

	Originally Posted by "LaoTzu"
	(that's when Gov't needs to be spending mind you...)

That's a fallacy. We have been emptying the treasury for years already and now we are headed right back into another recession, although this time while the spending is at full throttle.

	Originally Posted by "LaoTzu"
	If he didn't cave on the Bush tax cuts, I think that would have gone a long way.

All of the Bush tax cuts were worth about 300 billion. Our current deficit is at 1.4 trillion.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_tax_cuts

	Originally Posted by "LaoTzu"
	Either way... there's going to be more debt. Even under Ryan's god-awful plan... there's around $4 Trillion in new debt that will be created.

We are at 14.4 trillion in debt, and that's already much more than I judge we can handle. I didnt look completely into the details of Paul Ryan's plan, but the idea of cutting spending is certainly a step in the right direction.

[chaostheory]

	Originally Posted by LaoTzu To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	You should provide Valid citations, if you're going to call someone a liar. Not doing so kind of makes... you... a ... liar? :/

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	If America wasn't such a total political cesspool; you'd all see that Obummer isn't that bad a guy, isn't doing any HARM to the country...

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This is for you:
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	Oh, and fuck Ron Paul. Not that I don't like him. Still... fuck him. He will never in a million years win the GOP nomination. NEVER! Not even saying he shouldn't.... just sayin'... he's a waste of space. One day all the confused youngn's will come around to realize they've been bamboozled by the best. Republican Youth! Assemble!!

Want to tell us all why you feel this strongly?

[Nemesis]

	Originally Posted by chaostheory To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Just... WHY? He LIED on pretty much every campaign promise he made.

Holy piss shit fuck! That's such a rare thing in politics. Unheard of, even. All that makes him is average... mediocre at best. He's no JFK or Lincoln, but he's not the OMFG, EVIL SOCIALIST COMMIE NAZI MUSLIM BOOGEYMAN that people (not neccessarily you) want to make him out to be. Yes, he's not the best, and the US is not at it's finest... but it hasn't been for a long time. The only reason people are pissing themselves about it now is because this administration has been viewed more closely than any other before.

For fuck's sake, America... stop with this "The sky is falling and Obama is Satan incarnate" overdramatic crap.

[INTroJect]

Not that its completely Obama's fault, as there were presidents before him, but the sky is falling.

[LaoTzu]

	Originally Posted by chaostheory To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Because entering a few simple terms on Google takes hours? To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. ... This is for you: To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Want to tell us all why you feel this strongly?

Honestly? I think Obama's just a regular guy, who is capable, and surrounded by liars, sycophants, and People with a perverted notion of who they're there to serve.

And He's doing fine. Which is saying a lot. He may pander to either side, but His bad decisions are few and far between. There's only so much a President can do to fix the economy... fiscal policy takes a while to do much of anything. As for the wars or G-Bay, or the Justice Dept. doing Righty-style work... He's drawing down, and it'll be over before 2012.

And the Dem's didn't run up the debt. The GOP did. (On purpose I think....Austerity FTW!)
All the GOP is offering is more of the same shit that put the US in the hole to begin with.


PS: WND? Really?!