Social oppression and the forming of the INTJ

**Chr0n0s** · 06-01-2011, 01:31 PM

I think there might be some correlation of, for example, a child that is always left out of group activities with other children and the forming of the INTJ personality. It seems reasonable to assume that since the child will have more alone time, he will begin to introspect more, or generally arrive at self-awareness at an earlier age. Or maybe this is just a part of it.

What do you guys think?

**gh0st** · 06-01-2011, 02:01 PM

I have thought about this lately, I think the real question here is, does the child get this way because of being left out, or is it left out because of being like this in the first place?
If we only talk about introversion VS extroversion, would an extrovert left out of a group activity sit back and reflect on why that is, or would they try to get back to the "pack" somehow by raising attention?
I think personality type can change with time and certain events, but I don't think that there is a huge correlation between being left out and becoming an INTJ.
There is just so much more about being an INTJ than introspection.

**Chr0n0s** · 06-01-2011, 02:12 PM

Yes it is quite more deep than that. For me personally, I recall that this was really something focal (being left out) that lead to a very heightened sense of self-awareness and introspection. It was quite mind blowing actually. It also happened at a later time, as in around age 15-16.

**Lipovan87** · 06-01-2011, 04:32 PM

I doubt that social exclusion plays a big role. Introversion is mainly just that people do love to be around other people and prefer introspection to socializing. Likely the attitude results in the lack of significant interaction. That is probably reinforced by the J disinclination to follow the whims of whomever the leader of the group is. A strong T might make things even more difficult for a lot of Fs to get along with.

Normal INxJ behavior is likely to result in exclusion unless certain social niceties are adhered to.

Introversion might be induced by such a wide cultural gap that a person can't relate to many other people (third culture kids for example) and can only interact in their small circle or mind. I am more skeptical about any other traits.

**benr3600** · 06-01-2011, 10:32 PM

this is more or less exactly why I think I developed into an INTJ.

**DrWin** · 06-02-2011, 05:17 AM

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	I think there might be some correlation of, for example, a child that is always left out of group activities with other children and the forming of the INTJ personality. It seems reasonable to assume that since the child will have more alone time, he will begin to introspect more, or generally arrive at self-awareness at an earlier age. Or maybe this is just a part of it. What do you guys think?

Personally I don't think that being "left out" of activities made me an INTJ. I can't say that I remember being left out or an outcast. I just have always had the preference to do things by myself and live inside my head.

ManWithNoName · 06-02-2011, 05:42 AM

From what I have read MBTI describes how your brain naturally processes information and how your brain is structured. I really don't think you can change your type or have your type changed (effected yes) by environmental forces.

Sure you can develop your undeveloped functions but if you are T your natural state is T not F and so in order to be more F it has to be more of a conscious effort than someone who is F and who naturally acts F and has to make a conscious effort to act T.

**deacon** · 06-02-2011, 09:17 AM

nope. i was class president. i sat on the cool kids table. at home though there wasn't much stimulation aside from cartoons (no cable too), video games (playstation), xmen action figures, dogs, my nannies, sometimes my neighbors or playmates. i didn't have siblings for a good 14 years. still i think i had a lot of time for introspection and imagining things. like i've always had my own room even as a kid. my mom is intj too and we lived together for a good amount of time. she was also popular and a bit "avant garde" as her high school yearbook sez.

i want weird children too someday hehe! there was this movie switch with err jennifer anniston. the kid collected picture frames with the generic people still in it lol! cute kid.

**Fox** · 06-02-2011, 01:03 PM

I've been told (before I could remember) that I kept to myself in day care. In preschool and elementary school I felt more mature than the other kids. Only time was excluded by others was in Sports but that happen later. Most of the time I left myself out of things.

**Shadizar** · 06-02-2011, 01:24 PM

Nope, I was left out because I was dorky. I would have to say I was an F (or tried at least) for a long time, but the fact that I learned from my own mistakes and those of others, I discovered that feelings were useless to the end game and tended to interfere; you can't please everyone, and each pacification put the goal farther away; people are stupid, and tend to put sludge on the path. In the end, I put into effect what I knew would work in the first place; remove obstacles from the path, be they friends, relatives, or acquaintances; if that makes me an asshole, so be it.

**Lady B** · 06-02-2011, 02:05 PM

I was never really left out at too early an age; maybe a bit later in elementary school, but only because by that point I couldn't relate well with many of my peers to begin with, and any ostracism came from people who thought I was too smart or nerdy (INTJ traits to begin with). I was always quite stubborn as a child (still am...) and wanted to do my own thing instead of blindly following the crowd. I think my personality is my way of responding to any surroundings, not a product of being in certain surroundings.

**bookbug** · 06-02-2011, 05:48 PM

	Originally Posted by Chr0n0s To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I think there might be some correlation of, for example, a child that is always left out of group activities with other children and the forming of the INTJ personality. It seems reasonable to assume that since the child will have more alone time, he will begin to introspect more, or generally arrive at self-awareness at an earlier age. Or maybe this is just a part of it. What do you guys think?

I suppose it's possible. That said, I remember going to kindergarten and really not enjoying the other children. I was fine one-on-one with another kid, but en masse, it was just too much and I didn't join in unless it was required.

06-01-2011, 01:31 PM	#1
Chr0n0s Member [07%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 294	I think there might be some correlation of, for example, a child that is always left out of group activities with other children and the forming of the INTJ personality. It seems reasonable to assume that since the child will have more alone time, he will begin to introspect more, or generally arrive at self-awareness at an earlier age. Or maybe this is just a part of it. What do you guys think?
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06-01-2011, 02:01 PM	#2
gh0st New Member [01%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 45	I have thought about this lately, I think the real question here is, does the child get this way because of being left out, or is it left out because of being like this in the first place? If we only talk about introversion VS extroversion, would an extrovert left out of a group activity sit back and reflect on why that is, or would they try to get back to the "pack" somehow by raising attention? I think personality type can change with time and certain events, but I don't think that there is a huge correlation between being left out and becoming an INTJ. There is just so much more about being an INTJ than introspection.
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06-01-2011, 02:12 PM	#3
Chr0n0s Member [07%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 294	Yes it is quite more deep than that. For me personally, I recall that this was really something focal (being left out) that lead to a very heightened sense of self-awareness and introspection. It was quite mind blowing actually. It also happened at a later time, as in around age 15-16.
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06-01-2011, 04:32 PM	#4
Lipovan87 Member [03%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 149	I doubt that social exclusion plays a big role. Introversion is mainly just that people do love to be around other people and prefer introspection to socializing. Likely the attitude results in the lack of significant interaction. That is probably reinforced by the J disinclination to follow the whims of whomever the leader of the group is. A strong T might make things even more difficult for a lot of Fs to get along with. Normal INxJ behavior is likely to result in exclusion unless certain social niceties are adhered to. Introversion might be induced by such a wide cultural gap that a person can't relate to many other people (third culture kids for example) and can only interact in their small circle or mind. I am more skeptical about any other traits.
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06-01-2011, 10:32 PM	#5
benr3600 Member [28%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,131	this is more or less exactly why I think I developed into an INTJ.
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06-02-2011, 05:42 AM	#7
ManWithNoName Core Member [209%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 8,374	From what I have read MBTI describes how your brain naturally processes information and how your brain is structured. I really don't think you can change your type or have your type changed (effected yes) by environmental forces. Sure you can develop your undeveloped functions but if you are T your natural state is T not F and so in order to be more F it has to be more of a conscious effort than someone who is F and who naturally acts F and has to make a conscious effort to act T.
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06-02-2011, 09:17 AM	#8
deacon Member [15%] MBTI: intj Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 606	nope. i was class president. i sat on the cool kids table. at home though there wasn't much stimulation aside from cartoons (no cable too), video games (playstation), xmen action figures, dogs, my nannies, sometimes my neighbors or playmates. i didn't have siblings for a good 14 years. still i think i had a lot of time for introspection and imagining things. like i've always had my own room even as a kid. my mom is intj too and we lived together for a good amount of time. she was also popular and a bit "avant garde" as her high school yearbook sez. i want weird children too someday hehe! there was this movie switch with err jennifer anniston. the kid collected picture frames with the generic people still in it lol! cute kid.
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06-02-2011, 01:03 PM	#9
Fox Member [46%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,842	I've been told (before I could remember) that I kept to myself in day care. In preschool and elementary school I felt more mature than the other kids. Only time was excluded by others was in Sports but that happen later. Most of the time I left myself out of things.
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06-02-2011, 01:24 PM	#10
Shadizar Core Member [171%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 6,879	Nope, I was left out because I was dorky. I would have to say I was an F (or tried at least) for a long time, but the fact that I learned from my own mistakes and those of others, I discovered that feelings were useless to the end game and tended to interfere; you can't please everyone, and each pacification put the goal farther away; people are stupid, and tend to put sludge on the path. In the end, I put into effect what I knew would work in the first place; remove obstacles from the path, be they friends, relatives, or acquaintances; if that makes me an asshole, so be it.
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06-02-2011, 02:05 PM	#11
Lady B New Member [01%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 25	I was never really left out at too early an age; maybe a bit later in elementary school, but only because by that point I couldn't relate well with many of my peers to begin with, and any ostracism came from people who thought I was too smart or nerdy (INTJ traits to begin with). I was always quite stubborn as a child (still am...) and wanted to do my own thing instead of blindly following the crowd. I think my personality is my way of responding to any surroundings, not a product of being in certain surroundings.
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