[ness2361]

Originally Posted by JulesK To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

About 99% of what has been said resonates with me, but I'm curious what you all think about this: a job that is very hectic where you are constantly distracted by various audio and visual inputs, but you can't just try to ignore them. Instead, you must monitor them while continuing to work and decide if they take precedence over what you are working on, attend to them, and then return back to what you were working on before (unless something else comes up in between). In some cases, you will need to do some spatial analysis, (i.e. plotting the location of the objects to your own). Some of the inputs must be formulated into reports and sent to the appropriate parties within minutes... Also, you are coordinating within a crew of several people who are also adding inputs. It is just... hell, for me at least. I wonder how other INTJs might feel about that sort of work, or if it's not a personality thing at all. Also, you could consider other jobs that are both hectic and time sensitive, even jobs in the service industry - say, possibly fast food (which was actually mentioned), or short order cooks, especially those who take their orders verbally and must keep them all straight, or in the medical field, EMTs and ER personnel. I know from experience that I've handled myself well in several unexpected crises/emergencies, but a hectic job with lots of sensory input, rapid decision making, and the constant need to re-focus my attention is just sooooo hard for me. EDIT: oh, and Air Traffic Controllers, as well. I actually found a study on ATCs, and there aren't many INTJs, or really, anything other than ISTJs and ESTJs.

Before I read your post, or any post, first I thought 'waitress'; I was one for, hmm, three days?, in a greasy spoon, and the boss had a problem with the 'sequence' in which I was making milk shakes and I went OFF on him, right there, in front of customers, behind the counter, threw the long spoon I had been using into the sink and stalked off. He didn't think much of it, apparently, except 'I don't think I'll show her how to do anything again...' but I quit.

It was having to talk to, listen to and remember orders, the cockroaches I was supposed to ignore--including one crawling from the counter to a man's shirt and upward... I asked a 'veteran' waitress what to do in that situation and she just walked over, murmured something to the man, and he brushed it off to the floor, kept right on drinking his early morning coffee. (It was the same greasy spoon, for anyone who follows my posts, where two cop friends of mine told me the story about going on a call and finding a drunk man "porking chickens". So, OK, maybe being a beat cop, never knowing what you were going to have to see, report, remember....?)

I was a single mom for that, and many other distasteful gigs, including sales which I'm excellent at--my Mom used to say, when I was only 12, that I could talk a beaver out of his teeth, and I felt the warmth behind the praise but also worried because a beaver needs his teeth... Anyway, I'm good at sales but feel it is immoral--not all sales but most--in which my job usually was to talk people into buying things they did not need, that were not effective for whatever result was promoted/promised, and cost more than most of my customers could afford. (You take a job you feel is immoral pretty soon you'll be redefining what moral means, and there will no longer be a slippery slope to get to the bottom off, you'll be sitting on the ground.)

And yes, dancer but not stripper, no pole, just what I call dancing from my hips. (I was the girl-next-door--I wore two outfits, and one of them was a white, one-piece swimsuit which I wore because I was that shy--not as part of a pose.) Then there was a blonde with a bronze tan, white tank, gold lame panties who could pole dance without the pole--got me sexually aroused watching her; and the large fat-over-muscle black-haired chick who could snake her way backward till her shoulder-length hair touched the floor and make her way back up; and the red-head whose talent was being a red-head..., and finally, the light-haired petite dancer whose love was extravagant costumes for every performance--I enjoyed watching her shop from the vertical suitcase the salesperson brought into the dressing room. But, shit, I couldn't afford 'one' outfit. I needed the tips that I got so I could buy: Pampers, tampons, toilet paper..., but I quit before I went postal--or more likely, off to CPI (Cleveland Psychiatric Institute).

I lasted a few days, maybe a week..., until the line blurred between my thinking about mowing down all the men and The Plan to do it..., especially after the night, this white dude calls up to me while I'm dancing (we danced on a stage, glitter ball over head, off-duty cop at the end of the bar, clothes on, no stripping..., no patron allowed to touch us--this was Ohio, in the early 80s--and while I'm dancing, this dude calls to me, "I can see your pubic hair; you need to shave." Bored, but instructive tone. Without missing a beat, I said, "You don't like looking, you can always leave". He said, surprised, "You can't talk to me like that." I said, "I just did." When my set was over, a customer bought me a drink and said, "What are you doing here; you don't belong here." He meant it as a compliment, and I suppose I could have asked him the same question, but he was professionally dressed; I figured, 'bad marriage, doesn't wanna go home, killing time...' My own story was too long to tell, and that wasn't the setting to tell it in.

I wanted to mow down most of the men who stared at me, and when I quit, the manager said--in response to my protests about not wanting a job in which I had to ignore the clients to cope--he said, 'That's what the mirror's for... we have a former elementary school teacher and a nurse working here--they make more here than they did at their old jobs." I said, "I don't want a job where I have to spend my shift staring at myself in a mirror--and money isn't everything." His girlfriend was in the office when I came in to quit, and she smiled at me in approval when I said that.

I had a lot of shitty gigs as a single mom--part of why I hated being a Mom and only had one, but just part...

I was thinking 'air traffic controller' when JulesK was giving his example of a job with a lot of stimulus... One of my exes 'almost' got that job, scored a few points too low, and I think he would have been good at it. He didn't care what others thought, AT ALL; he could concentrate, moving from one task to the next without hesitation, a break... and he had a lot of physical stamina for sitting in one place... High stress job.

My favorite job... other than writing, which is what I do now, was teaching poetry workshops and English literature at an alternative high school. It was a volunteer job I got based on experience, my reputation and writing... and the kids, man, so bright. It was their last chance at high school--if they couldn't handle this school (pass/failure, learn at your own rate), I don't think they couldn't handle any school, anywhere.

I just thought of stuffing envelopes, a temporary job I got; that was mind-numbing monotonous.

[JulesK]

	Originally Posted by ness2361 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I was a single mom for that, and many other distasteful gigs, including sales which I'm excellent at--my Mom used to say, when I was only 12, that I could talk a beaver out of his teeth, and I felt the warmth behind the praise but also worried because a beaver needs his teeth...

This made me lol... I would also be worried about the poor beaver. Same with selling people things they don't need and can't afford.

---------- Post added 07-10-2011 at 11:40 PM ----------

Originally Posted by ness2361 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I was thinking 'air traffic controller' when JulesK was giving his example of a job with a lot of stimulus... One of my exes 'almost' got that job, scored a few points too low, and I think he would have been good at it. He didn't care what others thought, AT ALL; he could concentrate, moving from one task to the next without hesitation, a break... and he had a lot of physical stamina for sitting in one place... High stress job.

It turns out my BF actually has the perfect ISTJ personality for ATC... He's already putting it to good use at his current job though.

[Doe]

Ballet dancer / ballet teacher.

The former was my life-long dream, the latter helped pay the bills. I could write a novel about just how awful it was. Suffice it to say I got fired. Twice.

[Tigey]

Body guard - protecting people not worth your time or patience.

[benjaminxx12]

HR rep

[exceed]

I worked once for a few weeks as a cashier in big super market. In my opinion it doesn't get much worse. You deal with hundreds of people every day but especially the repetitiveness got on my nerves - intellectually its like throwing your brain in the mud.
Nothing for an INTJ.

[antistu]

Bartender. I am sitting at a bar right now listening to the uninteresting conversation that a bartender is obligated to be a part of.

[avenirtetedr]

Clinical Therapist - Hell no. Don't want to hear your problems. Please go away.

[Havoc313]

	Originally Posted by BlSH0P To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	How about one of those police officers that guard the judge in a courtroom? Everyday you listen to tons of arguments, and you're not allowed to argue or comment on the proceedings. Just the thought makes me cringe.

Bailiff not police

[Fecal McAngry]

	Originally Posted by Xyz To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	As a side-note, Hillary Clinton is an INTJ, and Obama is like an ENFJ. I think you know which I wanted in power.

He's an INFJ. Watch him wilt under the stress of all that E-ing.

[CanrHoldLimes]

Social work hands down.
Especially dealing with grown ass people who live in trailers or whatever, bitching about how they never have any money while collecting social security because they're "disabled" and spending all of it on weed.

[omniblade]

Street sweeper.

[spectre14]

Anything repetitive that requires little thought. I end up day dreaming and not getting anything done.

[Lilie]

	Originally Posted by momorawr To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	convienence store clerk

I liked this one. Especially the night shift. You didn't have to actually interact to anyone. Just hello, that will be $4.39, have a nice day. People very rarely complain or ask dumb questions. As customer service jobs go, it's relatively painless.

Customer service at a photo lab was my absolute worst job ever. Worse than waitress or teaching children. Horribly disorganized and I had to eat shit every day for things that were completely out of my control, like photos being filed wrong or not finished on time, or because the photos didn't turn out.

[stoopidkitty]

Anything with lots of social interaction sucks.

[The Dan Keizer]

	Originally Posted by spectre14 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Anything repetitive that requires little thought. I end up day dreaming and not getting anything done.

I worked at General Motors and did indeed to a lot of day dreaming. But it was on an assembly line so I still had to work just as fast as I had to and no faster or slower.

I have fond memories of that job in hindsight, but a lot of days in the morning I would have a sick feeling in my stomach and thoughts of burning that motherfucker down.

---------- Post added 06-07-2012 at 06:23 AM ----------

	Originally Posted by antistu To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Bartender. I am sitting at a bar right now listening to the uninteresting conversation that a bartender is obligated to be a part of.

HA yeah I did this for a summer and I hated it. I purposely took the slowest shift at this bar that was never really busy, thinking I would be spending my mornings pouring beers for maybe one or two guys at a time and watching movies on the television and listening to my favorite music on the turntable.

But it was the same five guys every fucking Sunday. This kept me busy enough to not often be able to sit down, but not busy enough to make any money warranting the trouble these fucking mouth breathers would give me.

[anticlimatic]

I would guess case worker for human services... where your empathetic social job is to deal with the very dregs of society day in and day out.

[Tactical Panda]

Perhaps a self-esteem coach for people in another country where you haven't quite got a handle on their language.

Although I may have that mixed up with a funny job for INTJs.

[Axion004]

Computer programmer
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. Good job for an INTP and bad job for an INTJ.

[Stargaze]

	Originally Posted by Doppelbock To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I'm thinking school bus driver. Forty screaming brats right behind you, with nowhere to hide.

This made me chuckle.
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[Lilie]

	Originally Posted by Dan Keizer To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I worked at General Motors and did indeed to a lot of day dreaming. But it was on an assembly line so I still had to work just as fast as I had to and no faster or slower. I have fond memories of that job in hindsight, but a lot of days in the morning I would have a sick feeling in my stomach and thoughts of burning that motherfucker down.

I liked my assembly line job. Just standing around day-dreaming while my body stayed active.

	Originally Posted by Tactical Panda To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Perhaps a self-esteem coach for people in another country where you haven't quite got a handle on their language.

I've kind of done this too. It wasn't my official job title, but I had to be really encouraging and boost their confidence because most of them had none. It was good too.

I almost always found something to like about the many jobs I've had.

[wunderkind]

Priest
Entertainer

[WaterClub]

	Originally Posted by blm9161 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Any job that deals with groups of people. I hate it when everybody talks at the same time and it is all about nothing.

Exactly!

[Savagelight]

List of jobs which would suck for an INTJ.

1. Contract killer. (Because who wants to get good at something like that?)
2. Caretaker. (Because it's just not an INTJ type job)
3. Being paid to do something non-challenging and extremely repetitive.

Ultimately though it depends on the structure of the workplace. Being micromanaged, having to answer to a boss, all sucks. When you're more worried about getting to work on time than the work you have to do and problems you have to solve the job sucks.

	Originally Posted by Axion004 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Computer programmer To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. . Good job for an INTP and bad job for an INTJ.

Hey I'd love to be a computer programmer. It beats the sort of jobs I'm able to get now. I used to think it would be boring being a programmer but now that I'm older it's perfect.

---------- Post added 06-12-2012 at 12:02 PM ----------

	Originally Posted by stoopidkitty To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Anything with lots of social interaction sucks.

Social interaction for a purpose with a goal in mind is fine. If it's one of those be friendly, smile and impress people type jobs then I'd hate it.

I like structure and organization.

[WinterSolstice]

Originally Posted by Savagelight To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

List of jobs which would suck for an INTJ. 1. Contract killer. (Because who wants to get good at something like that?) 2. Caretaker. (Because it's just not an INTJ type job) 3. Being paid to do something non-challenging and extremely repetitive. Ultimately though it depends on the structure of the workplace. Being micromanaged, having to answer to a boss, all sucks. When you're more worried about getting to work on time than the work you have to do and problems you have to solve the job sucks. Hey I'd love to be a computer programmer. It beats the sort of jobs I'm able to get now. I used to think it would be boring being a programmer but now that I'm older it's perfect. ---------- Post added 06-12-2012 at 12:02 PM ---------- Social interaction for a purpose with a goal in mind is fine. If it's one of those be friendly, smile and impress people type jobs then I'd hate it. I like structure and organization.

I see it as this:
Social interaction with adjusted and cool people = good to great job.
Social interaction with ignorant idiots and customer-is-always-right attitude = crap job.

As scenario #2 is far more prevalent, a job where you interact with people to your liking is intensely rare. So in conclusion why jobs concerning tons of interaction sucks would be mainly due to general public overall being stupid and hateful.