How do I explain this to my doctor, if at all? - Page 13

**WyohKnott** · 10-24-2011, 07:22 PM

There are ways to tell if you're dreaming - that's how many people are able to start lucid dreaming. But... if you think I'm part of the dream, as is everything I'm telling you, then I don't think they'll help. I guess the best evidence I can offer you is that you're wondering if you are dreaming. Because in dreams, that never really occurs to you, does it? It almost never does to me, anyway - and if I think about it, I can usually tell which it is.

Please keep trying to get back in to see your doctors. I'm worried about you.

**Elena** · 10-25-2011, 01:02 PM

How do people who can lucid dream know they are in a dream? How can they know whats real? Even if you can identify whats real, maybe whats 'real' is not real. Could it all be some twisted novel being created by some crime writer? We just are not aware of how fictional we all are. Our thoughts could easily be controlled as the writer is basically creating them. It does not explain what happened earlier, the writer would hardly know that about me. But if he has created us all then he would. I feel imensely unsure of myself. This room feels unreal, distant even. Everything is happening and I can see it, but nothing is there, time is not paying attention. Shit, what if I am dead?

---------- Post added 10-25-2011 at 12:43 PM ----------

I just noticed a small glass art deco bird thing in my room. Problem is, I dont own it and my flat mate swears he has never seen it before. I know its real, I let him see it and he could. No one else was in our flat/house. The upper floor is not used as we are the only ones renting right now, so its not like anyone else could have done it. Maybe I done it while drunk, except I have not drunk this year (excluding st. Patricks day) and more importantly, I dont have any glass making stuff. Why is it here- is it some sign? Is the stupid thing bugged?

**RBM** · 10-25-2011, 04:12 PM

	Originally Posted by Elena
	How do people who can lucid dream know they are in a dream? How can they know whats real?

The easiest way I've heard of so far, is to look at the watch you wear. If you don't presently wear one, start. In LD's it generally doesn't look right when viewed in LD's.

If you are experiencing objects materializing in your domicile, as you imply, you are breaking physical reality causality. That's what theist's call miracles, and ghost hunters and other non-theists call paranormal.

In my case, I call it weird, but mundane, as I view such activity as natural in a virtual reality such as this in which consciousness is fundamental.

I'd 'play' with it if I were you. Figuring out the 'rules of the game' could be a lot of work, though.

**Elena** · 10-25-2011, 10:53 PM

The watch idea could be helpful, I will go find one. Does the watch just look different in a lucid dream than reality?

---------- Post added 10-26-2011 at 09:08 AM ----------

I doubt this is relevent but I seen my spine doctor in the capital this morning. He reviewed my new x rays of my scoliosis and said I am borderline on surgery. I am not sure if I want to go for it or not. Now my scoliosis is deemed as serious enough to be border line, I am now dismissed from Jockey duties. Thats half my stable job gone, I can still train the horses and ride, but never race offically again. I need to find more money and maybe another job. The doctor did not start me on any sort of medication either.

**RBM** · 10-26-2011, 02:04 PM

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	The watch idea could be helpful, I will go find one. Does the watch just look different in a lucid dream than reality?

From what I've generally have read by LDer's a watch may look like anything - but a watch. What it does look like specifically depends of the specifics of the person. Given the art I've seen in this thread from you, however it looks ought to be interesting.

Sorry to hear about the health issues affecting your vocation.

**Elena** · 10-28-2011, 12:07 PM

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**Midichlorianite** · 10-28-2011, 12:35 PM

For me it just seems like the doctor is taking this way too lightly. Or maybe I'm just too careful. Anyway, I wish you luck with this horrible endeavor.

**Elena** · 10-29-2011, 01:02 PM

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	For me it just seems like the doctor is taking this way too lightly. Or maybe I'm just too careful. Anyway, I wish you luck with this horrible endeavor.

I keep thinking, if my doctor is not taking this seriously, then maybe this is nothing to worry about.
Or that it is proof that it should be taken seriously and this is not because its not real.
I don't think I care if this is a dream or not, nothing really matters either way.

**Silverity** · 10-30-2011, 10:51 PM

To be honest I'd be demanding some sort of treatment, this seems like a LOT for you to have to endure.

**Elena** · 10-31-2011, 12:40 AM

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	To be honest I'd be demanding some sort of treatment, this seems like a LOT for you to have to endure.

What would treatment entail? Yesterday was not fun. My friend said I was really depressed, I just did not want to get up or eat. Nothing seemed worth much. I dont remember why but I got angery and nearly kicked my wall but started pacing instead. I started to have an irrational hate of my body. Why does it have to be so ill? Why do I have to have a genetic syndrom? I started to cry and I seen an old friend who killed themselves 2years ago. I was not scared, but seeing them made me feel worse. Later in the day my door bell rang so I answered. My next door neighbours daughter was standing at the door with a knife stuck through her hand. She was home alone and hurt herself by accident. She is 15, so legally should not be home alone, hence coming to me because 'you know about blood and all that taxidermy shit.' I put a wet towel over it held her hand above her head. I dont know 1st aid but I thought not touching the knife was a good idea you know? Pulling it out might cause more bleeding and what not. She is in hospital now and has an infection. Her blood got every where, just spray on the door, floor, walls and on me. I never want to get another persons blood in my mouth or in my eyes in my life ever again, it stings. After she left I washed the floor and had a shower. I seen that man when I was drying my hair. He started saying why did I not just shut the door on the girl. Why did I not put salt or bleach on the towel before giving it to her. Why did I not react with shock and be unsure of what to do like my flat mate. Why are you not excited at seeing all the blood, you wanted to see ashlings when you stayed in her house a few months ago. He just went on talking like that for a while, I went to bed but could not sleep much. My heart condition woke me up with sudden heart pain. I crawled into my flat mates bed crying. I always get scared when my heart messes up. I cant sleep. I went to eat breakfast and feel like vomiting now. I keep having the feeling that some has been in my room.

---------- Post added 10-31-2011 at 10:56 AM ----------

Me and a close friend had a conversation. We both can not prove that anything is real or other wise. I finially agreed that yes, we are all real in *some place* even if its in someone elses mind, we are still real.

**Silverity** · 10-31-2011, 02:01 PM

I'm not sure what treatment options are available where you live, but over here it'd probably be some combination of psychotherapy, medication (maybe they could even find something that could take away that bug-crawling feeling you had earlier), and then peer support-- someone who has gone through a similar situation who might be able to give you sound advice and strategies
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I'm not sure how you feel about those things, but at least if they offered you'd have a choice to try them or not, you know? I feel like you've been left hanging
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**Elena** · 10-31-2011, 02:10 PM

Mhhh. I dont think anything is wrong, but there would be no harm in trying some of the things you suggested that could be offered here in N.I. If they dont work I can just stop them, I have it a go. I do hate the bug sensation, its just so . . . Skin crawling?

**Silverity** · 10-31-2011, 02:14 PM

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	Mhhh. I dont think anything is wrong, but there would be no harm in trying some of the things you suggested that could be offered here in N.I. If they dont work I can just stop them, I have it a go. I do hate the bug sensation, its just so . . . Skin crawling?

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Exactly. I tried a couple different medications for my anxiety, the first two didn't work well at all but the third I keep handy in case I get jittery because it's not a lot of fun feeling like you're about to be axe-murdered when there is really nothing around you >_<;

**Elena** · 10-31-2011, 02:21 PM

But its hard to know if said example, axe murderer is behind you, or maybe that man i see, is behind you. Its hard to know if he is real. What if people say he is false but are lying? I can see him right now on my sofa. He has been talking all day but I have ignored him.

**Silverity** · 10-31-2011, 02:33 PM

I guess for me it helped that I can remember very clearly before my symptoms started and after. I know what I'm supposed to feel/see/hear and what I am feeling/seeing/hearing. So for me it was just getting the right therapy to put my body back to normal. I did a mixture of cognitive-behavioural therapy, rationalizing my thought processes, and a bit of medication. On and off, saw a few different practitioners.

**Dysphoriac** · 10-31-2011, 02:37 PM

Try establishing a more ritual day, that way you can be more confident that things are where you put them, doors are locked and things are as they should be. Common sense should tell you the liklihood of you being asleep or dreaming, in a dream you cannot recall where or how you got there and are usually outside of your routine for the day. In the end our senses and mind are fallible so just accept it can be wrong about things and try to minimise harm to yourself from ordinary occupational health and safety hazards. If you have prepared things around you while you feel well then you should be more confident your environment is safe.

**Elena** · 10-31-2011, 02:38 PM

I dont know whats 'normal', or 'abnormal'. How can I work out what is what? At least it helped you though.

**Silverity** · 10-31-2011, 02:42 PM

Yeah, I'm sorry I can't be more helpful x.x; The camera helped, right? If you see something, take a photo and it's not there, we can probably say that that experience is abnormal.

**Elena** · 10-31-2011, 02:44 PM

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Try establishing a more ritual day, that way you can be more confident that things are where you put them, doors are locked and things are as they should be. Common sense should tell you the liklihood of you being asleep or dreaming, in a dream you cannot recall where or how you got there and are usually outside of your routine for the day. In the end our senses and mind are fallible so just accept it can be wrong about things and try to minimise harm to yourself from ordinary occupational health and safety hazards. If you have prepared things around you while you feel well then you should be more confident your environment is safe.

I guess a more ritual kind of day might be helpful. I cant remember how I am sitting on my sofa right now, or most of today. Though is it not possible to know what happened in a dream?
More organised, so uh, cleaning my room might help me be sure of where things are.

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	Yeah, I'm sorry I can't be more helpful x.x; The camera helped, right? If you see something, take a photo and it's not there, we can probably say that that experience is abnormal.

The camera might be faulty and not picking things up correctly, and cameras cant 'take pictures' of sounds, voices, feelings and bugs on your skin.

**Dysphoriac** · 11-01-2011, 12:19 AM

Why not set a timer on a device that shocks your body should you not reset it in good time, that way the pain will provide you good notice of what reality you are in should you start daydreaming. This is what I mean by repetition, if your environment is the same and some new information emerges from it logically this information is suspect in your reality. Filters are what you need, the brain is shunted with heaps of crap so limiting the crap that it needs to digest will help you limit the crap it tells you.

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	I dont know whats 'normal', or 'abnormal'. How can I work out what is what? At least it helped you though.

When you get eaten by it or murdered by it then it is real and now you are part of the food chain and can stop pontificating about whether you exist. The brain is perfectly capable of examining patterns to work out survival cues and make correlations between sensed data and cause and effect.

**Elena** · 11-01-2011, 03:45 AM

A timed shock device? Sounds more like punishment. Would a wrist watch with a digital alarm work? If I did not stop the alarm before it goes off I could, I dont know, snap an elastic band on my wrist? My work makes it hard to have a ritual, I am in and out all day not knowing when I have to leave. If I do end up dead your right, I would not need to worry about it anymore.

**Dysphoriac** · 11-01-2011, 05:02 AM

You want to know if you are dreaming or not inject yourself with scorpion venom every morning and and attach some jumper leads to your alarm clock. You will most likely survive and you will have no doubt that you are infact alive and you will remember your whole agonising day. Meanwhile stop worrying about shit that can't kill you
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**Elena** · 11-01-2011, 12:09 PM

What do you think I am, stupid? Who would inject themselves with posion and give themselves electric shocks every morning?!

**JTG** · 11-02-2011, 10:13 PM

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You want to know if you are dreaming or not inject yourself with scorpion venom every morning and and attach some jumper leads to your alarm clock. You will most likely survive and you will have no doubt that you are infact alive and you will remember your whole agonising day. Meanwhile stop worrying about shit that can't kill you
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I can't decide whether this advice is unhelpful intentionally or accidentally

**Dysphoriac** · 11-03-2011, 12:21 AM

If you feel concerned about what you are feeling and seeing then maybe get your room mate to give you a lift down to Emergency. Just explain to the triage nurse you are having some mental health or physical issues and say you are glad to wait until someone is able to have a talk with you and maybe reassure you about things. Psych nurses are generally pretty good and have some knowledge that could help you during periods of anxiety and illness. What I mean is there can be many reasons for feeling this way and it is a good idea to explore them all with competent ears and minds. Stress will only shorten your life so actively do something to reduce it.

10-24-2011, 07:22 PM	#301
WyohKnott Veteran Member [64%] MBTI: INFJ Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,599	There are ways to tell if you're dreaming - that's how many people are able to start lucid dreaming. But... if you think I'm part of the dream, as is everything I'm telling you, then I don't think they'll help. I guess the best evidence I can offer you is that you're wondering if you are dreaming. Because in dreams, that never really occurs to you, does it? It almost never does to me, anyway - and if I think about it, I can usually tell which it is. Please keep trying to get back in to see your doctors. I'm worried about you.
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10-25-2011, 01:02 PM	#302
Elena Core Member [140%] MBTI: INTX Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 5,631	How do people who can lucid dream know they are in a dream? How can they know whats real? Even if you can identify whats real, maybe whats 'real' is not real. Could it all be some twisted novel being created by some crime writer? We just are not aware of how fictional we all are. Our thoughts could easily be controlled as the writer is basically creating them. It does not explain what happened earlier, the writer would hardly know that about me. But if he has created us all then he would. I feel imensely unsure of myself. This room feels unreal, distant even. Everything is happening and I can see it, but nothing is there, time is not paying attention. Shit, what if I am dead? ---------- Post added 10-25-2011 at 12:43 PM ---------- I just noticed a small glass art deco bird thing in my room. Problem is, I dont own it and my flat mate swears he has never seen it before. I know its real, I let him see it and he could. No one else was in our flat/house. The upper floor is not used as we are the only ones renting right now, so its not like anyone else could have done it. Maybe I done it while drunk, except I have not drunk this year (excluding st. Patricks day) and more importantly, I dont have any glass making stuff. Why is it here- is it some sign? Is the stupid thing bugged?
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10-25-2011, 10:53 PM	#304
Elena Core Member [140%] MBTI: INTX Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 5,631	The watch idea could be helpful, I will go find one. Does the watch just look different in a lucid dream than reality? ---------- Post added 10-26-2011 at 09:08 AM ---------- I doubt this is relevent but I seen my spine doctor in the capital this morning. He reviewed my new x rays of my scoliosis and said I am borderline on surgery. I am not sure if I want to go for it or not. Now my scoliosis is deemed as serious enough to be border line, I am now dismissed from Jockey duties. Thats half my stable job gone, I can still train the horses and ride, but never race offically again. I need to find more money and maybe another job. The doctor did not start me on any sort of medication either.
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10-28-2011, 12:35 PM	#307
Midichlorianite Veteran Member [55%] MBTI: INFJ Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 2,209	For me it just seems like the doctor is taking this way too lightly. Or maybe I'm just too careful. Anyway, I wish you luck with this horrible endeavor.
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10-30-2011, 10:51 PM	#309
Silverity Core Member [275%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 11,002	To be honest I'd be demanding some sort of treatment, this seems like a LOT for you to have to endure.
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10-31-2011, 02:01 PM	#311
Silverity Core Member [275%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 11,002	I'm not sure what treatment options are available where you live, but over here it'd probably be some combination of psychotherapy, medication (maybe they could even find something that could take away that bug-crawling feeling you had earlier), and then peer support-- someone who has gone through a similar situation who might be able to give you sound advice and strategies To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. I'm not sure how you feel about those things, but at least if they offered you'd have a choice to try them or not, you know? I feel like you've been left hanging To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
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10-31-2011, 02:10 PM	#312
Elena Core Member [140%] MBTI: INTX Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 5,631	Mhhh. I dont think anything is wrong, but there would be no harm in trying some of the things you suggested that could be offered here in N.I. If they dont work I can just stop them, I have it a go. I do hate the bug sensation, its just so . . . Skin crawling?
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10-31-2011, 02:21 PM	#314
Elena Core Member [140%] MBTI: INTX Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 5,631	But its hard to know if said example, axe murderer is behind you, or maybe that man i see, is behind you. Its hard to know if he is real. What if people say he is false but are lying? I can see him right now on my sofa. He has been talking all day but I have ignored him.
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10-31-2011, 02:33 PM	#315
Silverity Core Member [275%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 11,002	I guess for me it helped that I can remember very clearly before my symptoms started and after. I know what I'm supposed to feel/see/hear and what I am feeling/seeing/hearing. So for me it was just getting the right therapy to put my body back to normal. I did a mixture of cognitive-behavioural therapy, rationalizing my thought processes, and a bit of medication. On and off, saw a few different practitioners.
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10-31-2011, 02:37 PM	#316
Dysphoriac Member [04%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 189	Try establishing a more ritual day, that way you can be more confident that things are where you put them, doors are locked and things are as they should be. Common sense should tell you the liklihood of you being asleep or dreaming, in a dream you cannot recall where or how you got there and are usually outside of your routine for the day. In the end our senses and mind are fallible so just accept it can be wrong about things and try to minimise harm to yourself from ordinary occupational health and safety hazards. If you have prepared things around you while you feel well then you should be more confident your environment is safe.
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10-31-2011, 02:38 PM	#317
Elena Core Member [140%] MBTI: INTX Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 5,631	I dont know whats 'normal', or 'abnormal'. How can I work out what is what? At least it helped you though.
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10-31-2011, 02:42 PM	#318
Silverity Core Member [275%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 11,002	Yeah, I'm sorry I can't be more helpful x.x; The camera helped, right? If you see something, take a photo and it's not there, we can probably say that that experience is abnormal.
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11-01-2011, 03:45 AM	#321
Elena Core Member [140%] MBTI: INTX Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 5,631	A timed shock device? Sounds more like punishment. Would a wrist watch with a digital alarm work? If I did not stop the alarm before it goes off I could, I dont know, snap an elastic band on my wrist? My work makes it hard to have a ritual, I am in and out all day not knowing when I have to leave. If I do end up dead your right, I would not need to worry about it anymore.
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11-01-2011, 05:02 AM	#322
Dysphoriac Member [04%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 189	You want to know if you are dreaming or not inject yourself with scorpion venom every morning and and attach some jumper leads to your alarm clock. You will most likely survive and you will have no doubt that you are infact alive and you will remember your whole agonising day. Meanwhile stop worrying about shit that can't kill you To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
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11-01-2011, 12:09 PM	#323
Elena Core Member [140%] MBTI: INTX Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 5,631	What do you think I am, stupid? Who would inject themselves with posion and give themselves electric shocks every morning?!
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11-03-2011, 12:21 AM	#325
Dysphoriac Member [04%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 189	If you feel concerned about what you are feeling and seeing then maybe get your room mate to give you a lift down to Emergency. Just explain to the triage nurse you are having some mental health or physical issues and say you are glad to wait until someone is able to have a talk with you and maybe reassure you about things. Psych nurses are generally pretty good and have some knowledge that could help you during periods of anxiety and illness. What I mean is there can be many reasons for feeling this way and it is a good idea to explore them all with competent ears and minds. Stress will only shorten your life so actively do something to reduce it.
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