Light Yagami vs Lelouch Lamperouge

**childofprodigy** · 05-27-2011, 10:40 PM

For those who have watched both Geass and DN, which character do you think is more badass (or more favorite character, etc) and why do you think so:

Light Yagami: Used the Death Note to create a new world that is cleansed from evil criminals and reigned as the God of this new world while at the same time redefined the meaning of the word Machiavellian

Lelouch Lamperouge: Used the power of Geass to raise an army of monsters that was set to fight against an entire empire and eventually become an Emperor himself and in all practicality achieved World Domination

**Muse** · 05-27-2011, 11:24 PM

Lelouch.

I can identify with him; watching him was exactly like watching the younger me. His thoughts and his emotions i completely got, and i would recall times i went through something similar. His want to protect his younger sister is also something i relate to, its why i waited two extra years before moving out. His relation to CC was very deep too.

Light is kind of just an idealistic narcissistic screw up. I get where he was going with it all, but its really detached from any ethical system. He wanted to improve the world, but he was really just trying to make it more efficient. There was no real dilemma, (like military occupations or forced servitude in CG) he just thought he knew best, and killed for it. He should have known that human beings are not naturally meant to be efficient, they are emotional creatures.

Lelouch did 'bad' things, but hes not really the bad guy. It was war time and he did regret/pay for it. I think his ends justified(at least somewhat) his means. He also brought about his own redemption, though [HIDE="Big spoiler"]im 99% sure he isn't dead at the end. Understanding how code works supports this.[/HIDE]

Light just started his own mess from his idealism and ego, there was no pressing issue.

**Googleplex** · 05-28-2011, 02:14 AM

Lelouch as well.

Light was too arrogant for my liking, and was not capable of learning from his mistakes on a more deeper level than Lelouch.

Lelouch knew of the pros and cons of what he was doing, and of the ethical and logical consequences of his actions, even though he had to make a decision at the end.

Light, on the other hand, was too fixated on his goal that he wasn't able to fuse the ideal in his mind and the reality of the world. His idea of justice and a better world consisted of forcing people to behave righteously because otherwise they were going to die, rather than behaving righteously out of their own free will. You could say the same thing of Lelouch, using his geass to manipulate people to obey his orders, but if you have seen the ending *spoiler* people decided to concentrate that hatred amongst each other into Lelouch by portraying him as evil and then working on their own differences and struggles to create a better world.

**lifesight** · 05-28-2011, 02:44 PM

Lelouch of sure! even though lelouch did lots of mistakes, and i am not a fan of "the ends justify the means", but i still looked up to him, his loyalty and devotion and sacrifices.
wanting to create new world for not just himself but mostly others (his sister).

i disliked Light, even though the cause was something i believe in and support, i dont think i would have supported him. I disliked the idea that he was so obsessed about his goal that he no longer cared about how he is gonna reach it.

both of them kind of hid behind others (or power) to protect themselves, and used force to create something good, something i am also not a fan of.

**Zodd** · 05-28-2011, 03:05 PM

Never thought of Light in a badass way, guy just found something cool, if anyone in that series was a badass it was L. Haven't seen Code Geass yet.

**Crazyblue** · 05-29-2011, 05:48 PM

I lost any chance at respecting Light when he jumped at the first chance to kill L in that press conference. Of course they were baiting him.

**timeineternity** · 06-01-2011, 12:22 PM

I like them both. I think I identify more with Lelouch, but I appreciate Light as well.

	Originally Posted by Crazyblue To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I lost any chance at respecting Light when he jumped at the first chance to kill L in that press conference. Of course they were baiting him.

Sure, he made mistakes, especially at the end... but I didn't lose any respect for him at all, because I realized that it was inevitable (his emotional, crazed end).

I think I liked Light a lot as a very significant element of the plot structure. I never really saw him so much as a person.

**Rhyseh** · 06-02-2011, 08:26 PM

Lelouch for sure. Light was just motivated by his ego.

**TypeINTP** · 06-03-2011, 07:23 PM

Are you guys being serious ???
Light Yagami would easily use a person just to attain a small goal, he used Misa (who would gladly shove a bottle of Hydrochloric acid up her ass for his sake) as if she was noting more than a pencil in his drawer by severely manipulating her emotions as if they were nothing, he hesitated to give the note to a rival gang even though his sister's life was on the line, he pushed his father to get the shinigami eyes knowing that it'll half his life just to get one guy killed ... I could go on ...

Lelouch on the other hand asks his freaking friends for help when he is in a pickle, the toughest decision he had to make is to use geass on his sister, I even remember a scene where he needed to decide upon a politically required marriage that would secure the loyalty of the Chinese federation ... and what does he do? he calls his friend to ask her if it is a good idea ... COME ON !!!!

**Shadizar** · 06-03-2011, 07:32 PM

Lelouch

He kicked ass directly; moved thousands of pawns; and changed the world. His death sealed the deal

Light can't compete; he attacked the symptoms; pushed a few pawns; and scared the world. His death reset default.

**eagleseven** · 06-03-2011, 07:35 PM

Light died corned, exposed for what he was, and powerless.

Lelouch died as king of the world, his true intent hidden, and in control until the last breath.

Lelouch wins.

**Muse** · 06-09-2011, 11:57 PM

	Originally Posted by TypeINTP To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I even remember a scene where he needed to decide upon a politically required marriage that would secure the loyalty of the Chinese federation ... and what does he do? he calls his friend to ask her if it is a good idea ... COME ON !!!!

The scene your referring to is season 2 episode 11, 16:15. Shirley called Lelouch, not the other way around. Also, he didnt want to know if it is a good idea or not. He wanted to know why CC was against it and gave him a very cold look, and took this into consideration because she is the only one immune to his geass.

**True Rune** · 06-10-2011, 02:31 AM

Lelouch was sane. He never thought of himself as more than a human, despite his power being that of the king's. (Contrast with his parents) Admittedly, his rough past and taking care of his sister probably fostered that emotional growth.

Light had a pretty normal upbringing..he is not too unlike our posters here, but he went mad with power, proclaimed himself a god, and was for the most part insane. My point is that I choose Lelouch, because of his humanity.

As far as "who's smarter e-peen ridiculous debate" I'd say it's probably about the same. Both of them were geniuses gifted in strategy.

**Uriel** · 06-10-2011, 02:56 AM

Code Geass is in my queue of animes to watch, so is it still worth watching knowing that Lelouch dies?

**Shadizar** · 06-10-2011, 03:05 AM

	Originally Posted by Uriel To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Code Geass is in my queue of animes to watch, so is it still worth watching knowing that Lelouch dies?

yes

**Anima Mundi** · 06-10-2011, 06:16 PM

I love them both, but I think Lelouch gets the edge.

**Muse** · 06-10-2011, 07:43 PM

	Originally Posted by Uriel To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	is it still worth watching knowing that Lelouch dies?

cough cough, 'dies', cough. secret ending cough. Watch the series 2 or 3 times cough.

**Paragon19** · 12-15-2011, 04:58 PM

I find it very funny and telling that all the INTJ posters in this thread chose Lelouch.

I of course, can only further this trend. Lelouch as a character was dynamic and three-dimensional, with tangible motivation and ability to adapt, and even understand others. Light was focused on his goal to the point that it no longer seemed believable, and was completely isolated from other individual humans. Light's puzzle wasn't even as interesting. It seemed like he had no ultimate goal in mind, just to make a mark on the world. Lelouch knew he wanted to make the world better for his sister (and for the Japanese, I like to think), and from the very beginning of his strategy, kept the end game in focus. I would even wager he was aware of the necessity of his final act very early on.

As to whether or not it was truly Lelouch's final act, I'd wager against it, not only because of the nature of Geass, but also because as an INTJ I know I would try to find a way to simply make it a believable illusion. :P

**froyo** · 12-15-2011, 05:06 PM

Light was still kind of the antagonist.

Behind everything, Lelouch still had good intentions until the end.

**Backslash** · 07-25-2012, 04:32 PM

Both Light and Lelouch are awesome, thought it sucked Light couldn't make the perfect world using the death note (dam you Ryuk
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**Shadizar** · 07-25-2012, 05:09 PM

	Originally Posted by Backslash To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Both Light and Lelouch are awesome, thought it sucked Light couldn't make the perfect world using the death note (dam you Ryuk To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. )

While death note was a neat read, it highlighted the futility of independent reshaping of society. Much like feminism changing the scientists gender stats one woman at a time; it just won't happen. While Light was smart he was also foolish, driven by his need to be right; a childish fancy to change the world one peon at a time.

Lelouch in comparison, knew that in order to "fix" a system, you must first destroy it. Working from the top down, he removed all the hydra heads so the system couldn't be rebooted. Peons will continue to be peons, but the movers and shakers shape the world.

**Bronte** · 07-25-2012, 05:22 PM

Lelouch was more honest.
Light just tried to rationalize his selfishness as overused biblical mantra.

**dungeonguy88** · 07-25-2012, 06:06 PM

I'd have to argue in favor of Lelouch.

Both are brilliant, no doubt. But Lelouch understood the value of relatively simple, if very cunning, strategies and plans (And the times he didn't also bit in the ass). Light seemed to have a complexity addiction, as well as a tendency to get lost in "He-knows-that-I-know-that-he-knows" circles. He also seemed to let his pride dictate his course too often.

**lelouch19** · 10-24-2012, 05:38 AM

All Hail Lelouch vi Brittania!!!!

**Nemesis** · 10-24-2012, 11:00 AM

Both were intolerable cunts, so I voted for them being equals. Lelouch was just slightly better at being an intolerable cunt.

View Poll Results: Which one is more badass?
Light Yagami > Lelouch Lamperouge	11	21.57%
Lelouch Lamperouge > Light Yagami	33	64.71%
Light Yagami = Lelouch Lamperouge	7	13.73%
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05-27-2011, 10:40 PM	#1
childofprodigy Member [28%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,132	For those who have watched both Geass and DN, which character do you think is more badass (or more favorite character, etc) and why do you think so: Light Yagami: Used the Death Note to create a new world that is cleansed from evil criminals and reigned as the God of this new world while at the same time redefined the meaning of the word Machiavellian Lelouch Lamperouge: Used the power of Geass to raise an army of monsters that was set to fight against an entire empire and eventually become an Emperor himself and in all practicality achieved World Domination
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05-27-2011, 11:24 PM	#2
Muse Veteran Member [84%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 3,392	Lelouch. I can identify with him; watching him was exactly like watching the younger me. His thoughts and his emotions i completely got, and i would recall times i went through something similar. His want to protect his younger sister is also something i relate to, its why i waited two extra years before moving out. His relation to CC was very deep too. Light is kind of just an idealistic narcissistic screw up. I get where he was going with it all, but its really detached from any ethical system. He wanted to improve the world, but he was really just trying to make it more efficient. There was no real dilemma, (like military occupations or forced servitude in CG) he just thought he knew best, and killed for it. He should have known that human beings are not naturally meant to be efficient, they are emotional creatures. Lelouch did 'bad' things, but hes not really the bad guy. It was war time and he did regret/pay for it. I think his ends justified(at least somewhat) his means. He also brought about his own redemption, though [HIDE="Big spoiler"]im 99% sure he isn't dead at the end. Understanding how code works supports this.[/HIDE] Light just started his own mess from his idealism and ego, there was no pressing issue.
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05-28-2011, 02:14 AM	#3
Googleplex New Member [01%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 26	Lelouch as well. Light was too arrogant for my liking, and was not capable of learning from his mistakes on a more deeper level than Lelouch. Lelouch knew of the pros and cons of what he was doing, and of the ethical and logical consequences of his actions, even though he had to make a decision at the end. Light, on the other hand, was too fixated on his goal that he wasn't able to fuse the ideal in his mind and the reality of the world. His idea of justice and a better world consisted of forcing people to behave righteously because otherwise they were going to die, rather than behaving righteously out of their own free will. You could say the same thing of Lelouch, using his geass to manipulate people to obey his orders, but if you have seen the ending spoiler people decided to concentrate that hatred amongst each other into Lelouch by portraying him as evil and then working on their own differences and struggles to create a better world.
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05-28-2011, 02:44 PM	#4
lifesight Core Member [312%] MBTI: INFP Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 12,516	Lelouch of sure! even though lelouch did lots of mistakes, and i am not a fan of "the ends justify the means", but i still looked up to him, his loyalty and devotion and sacrifices. wanting to create new world for not just himself but mostly others (his sister). i disliked Light, even though the cause was something i believe in and support, i dont think i would have supported him. I disliked the idea that he was so obsessed about his goal that he no longer cared about how he is gonna reach it. both of them kind of hid behind others (or power) to protect themselves, and used force to create something good, something i am also not a fan of.
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05-28-2011, 03:05 PM	#5
Zodd Core Member [168%] MBTI: xxxx Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 6,746	Never thought of Light in a badass way, guy just found something cool, if anyone in that series was a badass it was L. Haven't seen Code Geass yet.
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05-29-2011, 05:48 PM	#6
Crazyblue Member [33%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 1,339	I lost any chance at respecting Light when he jumped at the first chance to kill L in that press conference. Of course they were baiting him.
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06-02-2011, 08:26 PM	#8
Rhyseh Member [02%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 102	Lelouch for sure. Light was just motivated by his ego.
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06-03-2011, 07:23 PM	#9
TypeINTP Member [13%] MBTI: INTP Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 555	Are you guys being serious ??? Light Yagami would easily use a person just to attain a small goal, he used Misa (who would gladly shove a bottle of Hydrochloric acid up her ass for his sake) as if she was noting more than a pencil in his drawer by severely manipulating her emotions as if they were nothing, he hesitated to give the note to a rival gang even though his sister's life was on the line, he pushed his father to get the shinigami eyes knowing that it'll half his life just to get one guy killed ... I could go on ... Lelouch on the other hand asks his freaking friends for help when he is in a pickle, the toughest decision he had to make is to use geass on his sister, I even remember a scene where he needed to decide upon a politically required marriage that would secure the loyalty of the Chinese federation ... and what does he do? he calls his friend to ask her if it is a good idea ... COME ON !!!!
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06-03-2011, 07:32 PM	#10
Shadizar Restricted [forum rules] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 6,866	Lelouch He kicked ass directly; moved thousands of pawns; and changed the world. His death sealed the deal Light can't compete; he attacked the symptoms; pushed a few pawns; and scared the world. His death reset default.
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06-03-2011, 07:35 PM	#11
eagleseven Core Member [155%] MBTI: XNTJ Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 6,201	Light died corned, exposed for what he was, and powerless. Lelouch died as king of the world, his true intent hidden, and in control until the last breath. Lelouch wins.
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06-10-2011, 02:31 AM	#13
True Rune Core Member [200%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 8,028	Lelouch was sane. He never thought of himself as more than a human, despite his power being that of the king's. (Contrast with his parents) Admittedly, his rough past and taking care of his sister probably fostered that emotional growth. Light had a pretty normal upbringing..he is not too unlike our posters here, but he went mad with power, proclaimed himself a god, and was for the most part insane. My point is that I choose Lelouch, because of his humanity. As far as "who's smarter e-peen ridiculous debate" I'd say it's probably about the same. Both of them were geniuses gifted in strategy.
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06-10-2011, 02:56 AM	#14
Uriel Core Member [139%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 5,582	Code Geass is in my queue of animes to watch, so is it still worth watching knowing that Lelouch dies?
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06-10-2011, 06:16 PM	#16
Anima Mundi Member [18%] MBTI: INXX Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 742	I love them both, but I think Lelouch gets the edge.
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12-15-2011, 04:58 PM	#18
Paragon19 New Member [01%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 47	I find it very funny and telling that all the INTJ posters in this thread chose Lelouch. I of course, can only further this trend. Lelouch as a character was dynamic and three-dimensional, with tangible motivation and ability to adapt, and even understand others. Light was focused on his goal to the point that it no longer seemed believable, and was completely isolated from other individual humans. Light's puzzle wasn't even as interesting. It seemed like he had no ultimate goal in mind, just to make a mark on the world. Lelouch knew he wanted to make the world better for his sister (and for the Japanese, I like to think), and from the very beginning of his strategy, kept the end game in focus. I would even wager he was aware of the necessity of his final act very early on. As to whether or not it was truly Lelouch's final act, I'd wager against it, not only because of the nature of Geass, but also because as an INTJ I know I would try to find a way to simply make it a believable illusion. :P
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12-15-2011, 05:06 PM	#19
froyo Member [28%] MBTI: INTj Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,149	Light was still kind of the antagonist. Behind everything, Lelouch still had good intentions until the end.
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07-25-2012, 04:32 PM	#20
Backslash New Member [01%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 64	Both Light and Lelouch are awesome, thought it sucked Light couldn't make the perfect world using the death note (dam you Ryuk To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. )
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07-25-2012, 05:22 PM	#22
Bronte New Member [01%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 5	Lelouch was more honest. Light just tried to rationalize his selfishness as overused biblical mantra.
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07-25-2012, 06:06 PM	#23
dungeonguy88 Member [49%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 1,960	I'd have to argue in favor of Lelouch. Both are brilliant, no doubt. But Lelouch understood the value of relatively simple, if very cunning, strategies and plans (And the times he didn't also bit in the ass). Light seemed to have a complexity addiction, as well as a tendency to get lost in "He-knows-that-I-know-that-he-knows" circles. He also seemed to let his pride dictate his course too often.
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10-24-2012, 05:38 AM	#24
lelouch19 Banned MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 26	All Hail Lelouch vi Brittania!!!!
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10-24-2012, 11:00 AM	#25
Nemesis Core Member [304%] MBTI: XXXX Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 12,195	Both were intolerable cunts, so I voted for them being equals. Lelouch was just slightly better at being an intolerable cunt.
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