[blackLieutenant]

	Originally Posted by Persona To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	lol I'm done with letting some obese internet tough guy tell me how to live.

Lol, you wish I was obese.
And no I'm not telling you how to live, do what you want, I don't care, I'm just telling my opinion. And a lot of people (mostly men) won't have the balls to tell you this truth.

[SelfMadeBum]

You don't have any "truth"; just oppressive, outdated ideas of how males and females should act. I don't believe you when you say most men want the barefoot and pregnant female who's good for nothing more than popping out kids and making sandwiches and I don't believe you when you say most women want a barbaric chest beating chauvinist who thinks all he needs to do is work 9-5, spill his seed in a woman and his life's purpose is fulfilled.

Individuals are far more complex than that, and society needs women to be more than mothers and wives, and need fathers to be more than sperm givers and income earners.

[Persona]

	Originally Posted by blackLieutenant To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Lol, you wish I was obese. And no I'm not telling you how to live, do what you want, I don't care, I'm just telling my opinion. And a lot of people (mostly men) won't have the balls to tell you this truth.

Or they might not know or care about your immovable, ignorant, boring opinion.

[Dru]

Originally Posted by blackLieutenant To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

The fact that you want it or not is not important, the thing is that it's your (and every fertile women) biological duty. Now if all women were acting like you, humanity would die, it just shows you how your behavior is wrong. Hermaphrodites are a natural "mistake". It shouldn't exist normally if Nature would be perfect, but Nature ain't. This is why kids can also born with 6 fingers on one hand and stuff like this.

you concede that nature does not make us all physically the same, or perfect, but you cannot concede the same for our minds. so much for being rational.

	Ancient Egypt, Mali Empire and the Moorish empire should be enough.

i'm sorry to say your sources are outdated; that's not to mention given within a rather conveniently narrow and selective scope.

	Even if the woman is horrible with kids, she has to learn to be great with them. This is how we become better human beings.

not, of course, by disregarding staunch, fundamentalist old-world values that put women in what are essentially servile inferior roles as second-class citizens. NATURALLY, this would be your viewpoint.

	They'll learn by themselves, kids don't need to "learn" sexual acts with their parents.

what they'll learn, miser, is what feels good - which won't always be penile and vaginal interaction.

	It's your role, it's not supposed to be a big deal, you were made to give life normally.

if it's no big deal then i think it's high time you moved onto greener pastures.

	When it's the flesh of your flesh going outta your cookie, it's not the same, it's a unique feeling. Women that want babies loves life.

i won't even bother asking for a citation for this absurd statement. boy, are you deluding yourself.
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agree to disagree. as we've already established i don't want babies, and i very much enjoy my life - that is, in fact, a large part of why i don't want them. i value my independence, personal freedom, and peace of mind far too highly.

[catzmeow]

	Originally Posted by blackLieutenant To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Now feminists, enjoy people starving in the streets and kitchen soups.

Flawed base assumption: that people weren't starving in the streets prior to feminism. Fail.

[nacht]

	Originally Posted by blackLieutenant To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Ancient Egypt, Mali Empire and the Moorish empire should be enough.

You aren't all that aware of how women were treated and acted in Ancient Egypt, are you?

[CyanideSoda]

	Originally Posted by catzmeow To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Flawed base assumption: that people weren't starving in the streets prior to feminism. Fail.

yep, I seem to remember something about 1929, economy crashing. Those damn feminists, they went back in time to ruin it all for the menz!

[Persona]

	Originally Posted by CyanideSoda To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	yep, I seem to remember something about 1929, economy crashing. Those damn feminists, they went back in time to ruin it all for the menz!

Women should only use their powers of time travel to get enough sleep at night while also taking care of the screaming baby. Crashing the economy with them is just unnatural.

[Zhuinden]

	Originally Posted by blackLieutenant To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	This is exactly why they should just keep on women responsabilities. This is enough work for them.

So how exactly are you planning to support a household with only one person's monthly salary? It's not really possible in today's economy.

...other than that, I don't really see why you should have any more right to have a job than a female, just because you have different genitalia. This seems nonsensical. We are all human. The old viewpoints of a lost era unfounded by facts rather than ignorance provide no positive if there is a better alternative.
I'll just bring up the most common example, how is saying "women aren't supposed to work because they don't have a ****s" any better than how the Mayans sacrificed people for no truly valid reason? They're just as equally based on facts: "that's what we've been doing for the last few dozen years".

[firebee]

	Originally Posted by blackLieutenant To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	No, just saying that women not attracted by heterosexual men, might be lesbians...

Or they might be, for instance, bisexual or pansexual. Or even straight, for that matter. Not all men are cisgender and heterosexual, you know...

[CyanideSoda]

	Originally Posted by Persona To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Women should only use their powers of time travel to get enough sleep at night while also taking care of the screaming baby. Crashing the economy with them is just unnatural.

Yeah, because nature will prove to you that this is how it has always been. Ya know, back when the first amoebas crawled out of the primordial muck, male one said to the female: go make me a bacteria sammich. Word of god, I tell you.

[blackLieutenant]

Originally Posted by SelfMadeBum To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

You don't have any "truth"; just oppressive, outdated ideas of how males and females should act. I don't believe you when you say most men want the barefoot and pregnant female who's good for nothing more than popping out kids and making sandwiches and I don't believe you when you say most women want a barbaric chest beating chauvinist who thinks all he needs to do is work 9-5, spill his seed in a woman and his life's purpose is fulfilled.

I never said that. Most men want feminine women, I don't know what women want (who knows?)

	Individuals are far more complex than that, and society needs women to be more than mothers and wives, and need fathers to be more than sperm givers and income earners.

Society need them to be more too, but society need them to be that first.

	Originally Posted by Persona To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Or they might not know or care about your immovable, ignorant, boring opinion.

Everyone's free.

	Originally Posted by Dru To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	you concede that nature does not make us all physically the same, or perfect, but you cannot concede the same for our minds. so much for being rational.

I know our minds are not all the same, I just think gender roles are "needed" for a good functioning society. Like laws or police officers.

	i'm sorry to say your sources are outdated; that's not to mention given within a rather conveniently narrow and selective scope.

The Western world wouldn't exist without these exact 3 ancient countries/empires. Any serious history teacher would tell you so.

	not, of course, by disregarding staunch, fundamentalist old-world values that put women in what are essentially servile inferior roles as second-class citizens. NATURALLY, this would be your viewpoint.

How can you say a loving housewife is a second-class citizen ? They are the ones educating all the futures citizens of society, they are probably one of the most important part of society. A woman accountant or CEO will never bring more than a housewife in our society.

	what they'll learn, miser, is what feels good - which won't always be penile and vaginal interaction.

So ? It doesnt mean parents should let their daughters be sluts.

	if it's no big deal then i think it's high time you moved onto greener pastures.

It's not supposed to be a big deal for women to be pregnant.

	i won't even bother asking for a citation for this absurd statement. boy, are you deluding yourself. To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

You always need a citation to believe something is true ?

	agree to disagree. as we've already established i don't want babies, and i very much enjoy my life - that is, in fact, a large part of why i don't want them. i value my independence, personal freedom, and peace of mind far too highly.

I value it highly too as an INTP, but I still want kids. You can't make your desire of independence and freedom ruin your social life.
Teaching my life lessons/intelligence to my own kid is something I would find quite enjoyable.

	Originally Posted by catzmeow To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Flawed base assumption: that people weren't starving in the streets prior to feminism. Fail.

There are more single moms with their children starving in the streets than ever in the western world.

	Originally Posted by nacht To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	You aren't all that aware of how women were treated and acted in Ancient Egypt, are you?

Quite good I know, but they were still housewives if I remember.

	Originally Posted by Zhuinden To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	So how exactly are you planning to support a household with only one person's monthly salary? It's not really possible in today's economy.

It depends on the husband's job.
And today's economy need less workers competing for jobs actually, something possible if a lot of women would do their natural roles.

	...other than that, I don't really see why you should have any more right to have a job than a female, just because you have different genitalia.

I never said that, but the lesser that are working, the better.

	Originally Posted by firebee To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Or they might be, for instance, bisexual or pansexual. Or even straight, for that matter. Not all men are cisgender and heterosexual, you know...

You like emasculated men, I got it too. This is... weird.

[firebee]

	Originally Posted by blackLieutenant To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	You like emasculated men, I got it too. This is... weird.

I agree. It is quite weird to use derogatory terms to put down the masculinity of men who are gender-variant, as if pointing out their effeminate traits constitutes some sort of an insult. I get the reverse also on the odd occasion, from people who have just been told that I'm masculine often enough, and I simply don't understand -- if one intends to insult me, does not it constitute supreme incompetence to do so by means of compliments?

(Unless it's the Southern style of "compliment", I mean. Which this here ain't.)

[Zhuinden]

	Originally Posted by blackLieutenant To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I never said that, but the lesser that are working, the better.

Didn't you say that they shouldn't even want the right to work? That's a bit even worse than not letting them work. Are you sure you aren't misogynic?
This mass categorization has nothing to do with skills and areas of expertise. A female could be better at doing whatever task than a male - why would you have it done by a male then?

[blackLieutenant]

Originally Posted by firebee To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I agree. It is quite weird to use derogatory terms to put down the masculinity of men who are gender-variant, as if pointing out their effeminate traits constitutes some sort of an insult. I get the reverse also on the odd occasion, from people who have just been told that I'm masculine often enough, and I simply don't understand -- if one intends to insult me, does not it constitute supreme incompetence to do so by means of compliments? (Unless it's the Southern style of "compliment", I mean. Which this here ain't.)

Men are not gender-variant, they are just males. Even if they're effiminate or gay.

	Originally Posted by Zhuinden To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Didn't you say that they shouldn't even want the right to work?

No.

	Are you sure you aren't misogynic?

No.

	A female could be better at doing whatever task than a male

Not sure, it would be better for a moving company to employ men.

[firebee]

	Originally Posted by blackLieutenant To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Men are not gender-variant, they are just males. Even if they're effiminate or gay.

"Gender-variant" encompasses "effeminate" and arguably, with a slight stretch, "gay". It's an umbrella term for "in some way different from the norm with respect to gender". Which, sorry, but I'll take the evidence of my own eyes in the men that I've met who are bigendered, genderqueer, and transgender over your desperate attempts to deny reality any day.

[Fenrisulfr]

Isn't it fascinating that those who say there is one twue natuwal way doesn't want people to make their own choice. If they were that sure they where right, then why being that afraid of people not falling into into those "biologically programmed roles" by themselves?
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	Originally Posted by blackLieutenant To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	And a lot of people (mostly men) won't have the balls to tell you this truth.

As you have managed to fail on about every other fact, I'm not surprised you missed this one too.
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[kateg]

	Originally Posted by Fenrisulfr To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Isn't it fascinating that those who say there is one twue natuwal way doesn't want people to make their own choice. If they were that sure they where right, then why being that afraid of people not falling into into those "biologically programmed roles" by themselves? To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Agreed. This is another example of not trusting people to do the right thing without coercion. Religions do the same: they desperately and falsely portray non-believers as unethical people. Why? Because they simply don't want to admit that it IS possible to be inner-directed: not requiring an outside force to compel you (through fear and intimidation) to "be good".

[blackLieutenant]

	Originally Posted by firebee To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	the men that I've met who are bigendered, genderqueer, and transgender over your desperate attempts to deny reality any day.

bigendered, genderqueer, and transgender, what a joke.

	Originally Posted by Fenrisulfr To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Isn't it fascinating that those who say there is one twue natuwal way doesn't want people to make their own choice. If they were that sure they where right, then why being that afraid of people not falling into into those "biologically programmed roles" by themselves? To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

People are free to be transgender, gay or whatever. But gender roles should stay in place for most people.

[Persona]

	Originally Posted by blackLieutenant To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	bigendered, genderqueer, and transgender, what a joke.

The real joke is that people keep responding to you when you ignore all of their points and post offensive shit like this instead of supporting your points.

I'm sooo funny.

[blackLieutenant]

	Originally Posted by Persona To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	The real joke is that people keep responding to you when you ignore all of their points and post offensive shit like this instead of supporting your points. I'm sooo funny.

I'm not ignoring their points, I already said that there are only 3 genders/sex type : males, females and hermaphrodites.

You can tell me "no, there are 18 genders", it'll still be false. If we assume their theories, we can create hundreds of genders tomorrow just because a male or female will act a way or an other.

There are even people who claim they are genderless,
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, what are they then ? Fucking crabs ?

[Persona]

Originally Posted by blackLieutenant To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I'm not ignoring their points, I already said that there are only 3 genders/sex type : males, females and hermaphrodites. You can tell me "no, there are 18 genders", it'll still be false. If we assume their theories, we can create hundreds of genders tomorrow just because a male or female will act a way or an other. There are even people who claim they are genderless, To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. , what are they then ? Fucking crabs ?

You ignored the point that sex and gender aren't always the same. Yet you think for lesbians it's ok for one to be in the 'man' role. Even if both are very feminine. It makes no sense.

[Japonica]

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Ha. I always love chauvinist men who say the phrase "the miracle of birth." For one, men will never go through birthing a baby. They will never carry a child. So you'd think that men who think childbirth is a miracle would treat women with reverence and awe instead of treating them like second-class citizens and slaves with no will of their own except to procreate. The drive of every species on earth is to procreate and survive, from blue whales to viruses. Fortunately, humans have brains which allow us to decide if we want to procreate or not. In the past, women were not given that choice, so many died in childbirth or lived as reluctant mothers, lest their husbands beat or abandon them. Luckily I was born in a time when I can choose to support myself and NOT procreate, because I don't feel like going through arguably some of the worst pain fathomable and shoving a watermelon out of my undercarriage.

Classic femi-nazi bullshit. Degrade the guy and think women are the only ones that recognize the sacred nature of humanity. It takes two to make a child and there is no reason why a man doesn't have equal comprehension to the "miracle" that is life. It's this mentality that places innocent children with shitty mothers in divorce situations or otherwise.

And I'm a female saying this.

[Persona]

	Originally Posted by Japonica To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Classic femi-nazi bullshit. Degrade the guy and think women are the only ones that recognize the sacred nature of humanity.

That's not what she said.

	Originally Posted by Japonica To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	It takes two to make a child and there is no reason why a man doesn't have equal comprehension to the "miracle" that is life.

Maybe there's no reason, but look at the evidence.

	Originally Posted by Japonica To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	It's this mentality that places innocent children with shitty mothers in divorce situations or otherwise.

No, equality is the least of their problems.

	Originally Posted by Japonica To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	And I'm a female saying this.

Too bad you aren't reading it!
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[firebee]

	Originally Posted by Japonica To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Classic femi-nazi bullshit. Degrade the guy and think women are the only ones that recognize the sacred nature of humanity. It takes two to make a child and there is no reason why a man doesn't have equal comprehension to the "miracle" that is life.

I hate to unduly shock you, but sometimes people say things that are not entirely honest.

One way that you can tell this is the case is by looking at the context -- for instance, a man who is lovingly holding his partner who has just given birth is probably much more sincerely appreciative when he refers to the "miracle of birth" as the reason why she is exceptionally beautiful than a basement-dwelling teenager who is angry about the fact that expressing open misogyny tends to not get him dates is when he refers to the "miracle of birth" as the reason why any given woman should rearrange her life to serve more optimally as his personal fuckhole.