[AmINot]

Just going with:
To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


In the short time I’ve been to this site, I noticed a rising pattern of getting overrun by a myriad of superfluous emotional comments.

One recurring theme;

Why do all arguments about sex, relationships, copulation ect…, get shut down from comments directed by some alleged grief, desire, ect... from the original poster?

Impersonal becomes personal? Why?

Is the case made, not valid?

Is this not a forum to discuss topics of any nature, in a logical philosophical approach?

Shouldn’t all posts made embody an INTJ thought process?

Will the real INTJ’s please stand up?

[Elfrun]

Never mind, misunderstood :embarassed:

[Bioplasmoid]

Because MBTI is not perfect. It is only human to identify things with oneself, and to Feel to some degree or another a semblance of an emotion. As others have pointed out, INTJs do feel Emotion, whether they actively suppress it or not. The logical case made may be perfectly valid, but emotion like 5hit... happens.

I have done INTJ tests, only two times, so perhaps, I am not a true INTJ. I answered the questions as honestly as I could in order to understand myself better, not to acquire special status. I identify with the thought processes and behaviours of too many people here to list, yet am a strongly emotional guy, for better or worse. But I do try to tone down my emotions when a discussion seems of a serious nature, such as this one.

Of course another aspect is that, people sitting behind their PCs all over the world, in seclusion or varying social environments, post here with a huge variety of intentions (obviously). Trolls hiding as Angels, Flamebait disguised as serious commentary, and a dozen other contradictions will inevitably be present regardless of whether the person is a "true INTJ".

[sriv]

	Originally Posted by AmINot To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Impersonal becomes personal? Why? Will the real INTJ’s please stand up?

INTJs are more personal than it would seem. INTPs are the ones who are always making everything impersonal and follow a logical line (Ti). An INTJ would probably want an example to Te with, or figure out the question "Does it work?" faster.

[AmINot]

To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


I usually read past the fluff to get to the meat of the “Hmmmmmm” comments. However, the fluff seems to keep growing as thread increases in depth. Incredibly annoying, its like being forced to watch an entire season of “Friends”.

[Bioplasmoid]

As much as an entire season of Friends (especially the endless re-runs they play over here) can be tiring, there are moments of pleasure for me when I see a scene I forgot, etc...Does this never occur for you?

But seriously, sometimes fluff contains dust mites, and dead skin cells, so you never know it could be worthwhile.
To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

[Mercury]

I have only been here a short time but from what I have seen it's not that these discussions go from impersonal to personal. They start out personal, from the get, with the original poster stating their theory on sex, relationships, preferences, whatever in a manner that is abrasive because it personally attacks the choices that other people make. When I see this and choose to respond, I turn it back on the original poster because I am curious as to why they are disturbed by other people's choices. I think that they are not really interested in discussing the topic impersonally because their words do not express that as their intention. Because if you want to discuss these things impersonally, you would give your viewpoint without putting down others' choices and without putting down other people; without speaking on it as if the choices other people make in sex/relationships/etc have a negative impact on your life.

It may also be because sex is such an intensely personal act, so it's hard for many if not most people to be objective about.

[rwyatt365]

I agree with Mercury to the point that most of these threads are one person (strongly) expressing an opinion, viewpoint, theory about some subject. For the most part, it is easy to see that there is some underlying current in how the initial post is presented - and that current is very subjective.

Why? Because, as dispassionate as most of us are (and try to be), there is a heart full of feelings just under the surface. Whether those feelings are "socially acceptable" for the given situation is debatable, but I would posit that those feeling are indeed there. We dont "care" about people, but if someone disputes our knowledge or understanding we lash out in indignation (a "feeling"?). We are indifferent the sex, but let someone question our evaluation of the best blues guitarist we lash out (a "feeling"?).

It's not so much that to be an INTJ one must become an emotionless drone, it's that to be an INTJ is to see the world with different eyes. We don't lack for feelings, we just feel for different things and we express those feelings in different ways.

So, when someone impugns my intelligence, or scoffs at my logic, or treads in sensitive areas I get mad and lash out (often logically, condescendingly, dismissively, sarcastically, or scathingly) in true INTJ fashion.

[demaugustus]

I was raised by an INTJ father and have a close INTJ friend. I've taken the test once and I was strongly INTJ (although less professional tests say I have a week N). I read the "portraits" of INTJ's from MBTI related sites and I say to myself, "Yep, that's my dad, that's my friend, and that is certainly me." I've read many of the threads and posts on this forum from INTJ's over the last couple months and knowing that there are people who think like me has become a monkey off my back.

I can tell you I get very emotional. However, I express my emotion externally, not through acts of sensitivity, but through logic. For instants, if a girl breaks my heart, instead of crying or spilling my guts to someone, I try to come up with a logical explanation for why she did what she did. I'll present all the facts to someone of how I acted and how she acted, and how why none of it logically makes sense - love isn't logical, but I still find myself trying to make it that way sometimes. In some sense when this happens I am being outwardly emotional because I'm expressing my grief through my main language of logic, hopelessly trying to explain the illogical, thus the result is a garbled conniption fit of "logical" segments. I'll have these illogical-logical-emotional rants in private with someone I respect, think I can respect, or to whom I have no other "private" outlet as an option.

Most people, other than my family, don't understand this. So when they (roommates for instants) see me acting in such a way they either do not recognize it or do not know how to respond.

I recently told my ENFP roommate, who I now consider a friend, that my primary form of communication was through logic. That when I come to him and express my logical ideas about certain situations, it is my way of expressing to him that I respect him and would like a logical explanation in return. Before I explained this to him he told me that he never knew when to take me seriously about personal matters, but now that he knows, and has tuned in, he's been a good friend.

[44sunsets]

	Originally Posted by AmINot To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	In the short time I’ve been to this site, I noticed a rising pattern of getting overrun by a myriad of superfluous emotional comments.

If you think all INTJs are Vulcans with no emotions, you have a lot to learn. Objectivity doesn't fly in all situations.

[Monte314]

For many people, communication between the heart and the head is a one-way affair... and we all know which way that is.

[Elfrun]

Originally Posted by rwyatt365 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I agree with Mercury to the point that most of these threads are one person (strongly) expressing an opinion, viewpoint, theory about some subject. For the most part, it is easy to see that there is some underlying current in how the initial post is presented - and that current is very subjective. Why? Because, as dispassionate as most of us are (and try to be), there is a heart full of feelings just under the surface. Whether those feelings are "socially acceptable" for the given situation is debatable, but I would posit that those feeling are indeed there. We dont "care" about people, but if someone disputes our knowledge or understanding we lash out in indignation (a "feeling"?). We are indifferent the sex, but let someone question our evaluation of the best blues guitarist we lash out (a "feeling"?). It's not so much that to be an INTJ one must become an emotionless drone, it's that to be an INTJ is to see the world with different eyes. We don't lack for feelings, we just feel for different things and we express those feelings in different ways. So, when someone impugns my intelligence, or scoffs at my logic, or treads in sensitive areas I get mad and lash out (often logically, condescendingly, dismissively, sarcastically, or scathingly) in true INTJ fashion.

*Scoff*
To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.



Well put. That's the crux of it for me. I don't care if someone disagrees with me but I can care if it seems like someone is laughing at or taunting me in a disrespectful way. That said it would take a sht load for me to 'lash out', I'd generally just leave the thread.

[Danisty]

I feel like the OP in your example thread was making assumptions. It is like he is saying that I obviously haven't thought things through or I'd agree with him. I don't like it when people assume I don't think.

[DVDderanged]

I tend to disagree in my opinion INTJs are more logical